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Track four

I added a little bit about "As Heaven is Wide" being in the game Gran Turismo (video game), as the song lacks its own page and the game's page refers to using it. I also think the Release and success section of this article is pretty huge. Could it be broken up a little, either by singles or release dates? Just a thought.

Kresock (talk) 01:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

1001 edit

Moved from article to here:

"This album was also selected as one of the 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die."

It was inserted in the introduction (quite awkwardly in its own line) and needs a cite before it goes anywhere on the page. Probably not in the lead though. Kresock (talk) 04:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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Removal of Reviews section as per: Template:Infobox_album#Professional_reviews

| Reviews =

• Allmusic link
• BBC link
• The Guardian 10/01/1995
• Kerrang! 09/30/1995
• Music Week 30/09/1995
• NME (8/10) 09/23/1995
• Q 10/01/1995
• Robert Christgau link
• Rolling Stone link
• Select 10/01/1995
• Spin (7/10) 10/01/1995

Archived here for future use --Breakinguptheguy (talk) 23:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Per WP:RS ("Misplaced Pages articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered"), WP:OR ("Misplaced Pages articles must not contain original research."), and WP:SUBJECTIVE ("articles should provide an overview of the common interpretations of a creative work, preferably with citations to notable individuals holding that interpretation. Verifiable public and scholarly critiques provide useful context for works of art."), you need genres sourced. It doesn't matter what other articles say about genre as bands change styles and you need to find appropriate ones per album. It also doesn't matter if other articles don't use citations, they will need them eventually. We don't use wikipedia as a source from other pages. If you can find sources, please add them. If not, refrain from adding uncited material about genre to articles. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Album genres

This album notably incorporates multiple genres, particularly within the alt rock umbrella. Indie rock is one of them, noted back in the mid 90s and recently stated by the band themselves in a video interview (as well as evident by anyone with ears) and downtempo elements are blatantly incorporated, as I stated in edit summaries, particularly in the songs Queer, Milk, and A Stroke of Luck. Trip hop is noted in the album's wiki page, as well as noted in Milk and Queer's wiki page, and trip hop is derivative/a sub genre of downtempo, or downbeat. Downtempo accounts for much of the sonic nuances within the parent genre on the album.

User Andrzejbanas seems intent on creating edit war as he objects, before discussing it here (I commented on his talk page with no reply).

I must also note, user Homeostasis07 is personally not a fan of me, so I expect him to object as well.

Other editor opinions to reach a consensus will be helpful. --Lpdte77 15:44, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Problem here is that you can't use band statements. per WP:RS you need "third-party sources". and per WP:SUBJECTIVE, works of art needs views from other people. Not the band itself. Bands can call themselves or anything or deny that they are anything. It's not appropriate here. So sorry, there is not "oh it's obvious", because we don't published original research. If it's obvious, find some sources. Trip hop is in the pages, but it's not cited either. If you have no sources, I suggest you read my post above. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW, when you comment on my page, give me a minute to reply. I've been editing here for years and have contributed to several Good articles. I'm not a run of the mill vandal. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Where is the sourcing for alt rock? or most other bands' genres?

I never said the band stating it would or should confirm it, is was merely one of the reasons given. If trip hop isn't cited why is it there? why is any of the genres on this album's page and the rest of their albums there without citation (and citation from whom? a music discovery site, a critic review?)? it's inconsequential; genres/sub genres generally don't and shouldn't need sourcing, unless they are ones that deviate from the main cited genres of a band (such as a rock/metal band also having the genre hip hop). So far, this is a personal objection - you don't want the genre(s) included for whatever reason - because you clearly are not removing the other genres that are not cited, here, on their other albums, or in any other artist/band's page.

Garbage is obviously, by all accounts, popular and critical, a band that fuses multiple genres, including pop, electronica, rock (including alt, indie, industrial, electronic), etc. So the reason for your fundamental objection is yet a mystery.

I'd like to hear other editors too, especially neutral editors' thoughts. --Lpdte77 (talk) 16:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Re your edit to your first reply here: I didn't think or state you were a run of the mill vandal or not a long time editor by any means. And I last commented on your page a over a day ago, not a minute ago. I am merely objecting to your aforementioned approach to this issue. Lpdte77 (talk) 16:30, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I've tagged alternative rock as needing a source as well. You've given me a lot of opinions, but have failed to address how genres pass over the rules I mentioned above. I actually, don't really with you on the genres, but I just wanted them to have sources. If you look at my recent edit history on the article, you'll notice that I've cited other things (dates, the entire release section), require sources as well. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

What in the world are you doing? You're removing a bunch of past statements and contributions from other editors in various Garbage pages. Are you an administrator, or are you just an editor like any one of us, excepting thinking you're arbitrator, rummaging through this band's pages removing things as you please? --Lpdte77 (talk) 16:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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