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Islamic Barnstar Award

Thank you for voting to keep the image for the Islamic Barnstar Award at the May 27 voting page. --JuanMuslim 13:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

An award

question to readers

Is this nn, or should i creat it? Of course, the articel sucks, but im not asking about contents, rather about notability. --Striver 10:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Wiki stalking

Please do not stalk my edits. This is against wiki policy. --Strothra 23:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Im not doning that, im just cheking my watched articles. Are you surprised that i have conspiracy and anti american foreign politics articles on my watch list? Peace. --Striver 23:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what kinds of things you may or may not have in your watchlist. I just wanted to make sure you weren't wikistalking which I believe you probably aren't doing. Just making sure though. --Strothra 23:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem, i have not even visited your main page yet. You are welcome back to talk any time. --Striver 23:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks although keep in mind that my main page doesn't exactly give the details of my politics on specific issues which don't neccesarily follow the lines you may assume by reading it. BTW, you may want to keep an eye on your watchlist so that you can put keeps on those articles because I'm putting them up for AfD. Good sportsmanship and all that I guess. --Strothra 23:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the warning, peace. --Striver 23:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

"<Islamic denomination> view of x" vs "<major religion> view of y"_view_of_x"_vs_"<major_religion>_view_of_y"-2006-05-20T23:33:00.000Z">

Islamic denominations are nowhere near as major as...well...a major religion, such as Islam itself. A chosen religion (such as Islam or Christianity) is not as POV as is a faction of that religion (such as Shi'a or Presbyteriansim). Notice how there aren't any pages on "Episcopalian view of z" or "Baptist view of w", or even "Orthodox Jewish view of blahblah". Likewise, I don't feel that there should be any need for "Shi'a view of foo" or "Sunni view of" whatever. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 23:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)_view_of_x"_vs_"<major_religion>_view_of_y""> _view_of_x"_vs_"<major_religion>_view_of_y"">

Well, look again:

• Mormon view of Jesus
• Evangelical Christian views of Hanukkah
• Unification Church views of homosexuality

And anyhow, even if you where right that the above article did not exist, i dont agree with you that they should not exist. Why in the worl should the line be drawn there? WHy not call all three worl religions as Abrahamic religions and claim they should not be divided? Is the Bahai faith over the line? They are a Shi'a shootout. And since when does it become POV to have belong to a denominnation, while the religion it self is not POV? Maybe you meant undue weight? No, probobly not. Maybe non-notable? You need to learn what POV means, it means Point Of View, nothing else.--Striver 08:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)_view_of_x"_vs_"<major_religion>_view_of_y""> _view_of_x"_vs_"<major_religion>_view_of_y"">

Striver, here in Misplaced Pages saying "this is POV" is shorthand for "this represents one POV with the exclusion of others", that is, "this violates WP:NPOV". I agree with you that not having a certain kind of articles doesn't mean it's forbidden to create articles of that kind. However, it's important that those articles: 1) do not include original research, 2) are not created just to present a particular POV, especially if that POV is controversial. The relevant guideline here is actually Misplaced Pages:Content forking. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Im sorry, that is not the meaning of POV. The meaning of POV is to claim something that is only true from a specific point of view. I know that original research is not wanted here, that is why i source what i write. Regarding your "articles...are not created just to present a particular POV, especially if that POV is controversial", try reading "None of this is to say that tiny-minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can give them on pages specifically devoted to them.". Peace. --Striver 18:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I repeat: in Misplaced Pages "being POV" is shorthand for "representing only one POV". You needn't quote WP:NPOV. There's a whole section explaining that minority views should receive attention, but not as much attention as majority or generally accepted views. Mind you, this is not a criticism of your articles. I have no knowledge to say whether they're correct or how representative they are. It seems to me that Shi'a views of should be integrated into the articles about , not split apart (= POV forking). But I'm really only here in account of your telling other people to go read the NPOV policy and resorting to defensive language, instead of explaining them why you think the "Shi'a view of..." articles are worthy. Referring to other articles in Misplaced Pages is no good; many articles are unworthy of it and yet persist because nobody notices... —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 23:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I finally got around to replying to you. Here we go...

• Mormon view of Jesus--not about the actual view, but about The Living Christ, some declaration thing put out by the Mormons. Therefore it is not OR. Also, the page is titled "The Living Christ".
• Evangelical Christian view of Hannukah--doesn't exist. I tagged it for speedy deletion as empty (which, i might add, it was--it was a broken redirect to nowhere). I don't even know how you found the page, really...
• Unitarian whatever--well, all I can say is that sexuality is a much broader topic than, say, ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib.

--M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 03:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if you ever saw this since your talk page used to be so long, so here it is! --M1ss1ontomars2k4 00:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see the end of the Islamic view of Jesus talk page. --Striver 15:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)_view_of_x"_vs_"<major_religion>_view_of_y""> _view_of_x"_vs_"<major_religion>_view_of_y"">

MSASFU

Creating an article on a local branch of an international organization is not a good idea. However, if there isn't already an article on the Muslim Students Association as an *international* organization, there should be. (I think they are in the Islam in the US article, and possibly in other country articles.) But are you sure that you're the one to write it? Can you be neutral? I believe that they're Salafi-leaning, and Salafis don't like Shi'a. Zora 18:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you where right: Muslim Student Association, thx --Striver 20:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Message?

Was wondering why you didn't give a warning on the reversion , which seems to me to have been vandalism. Or was it not vandalism (perhaps harassment?), or didn't warrant placing the message? I think it's too late now; when I place warning templates I do it at the time I do the revert. Шизомби 23:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Im not sure what you mean, i assume you mean that i was the victim of vandalism/harassment. In that case, yes,i view it so. Why i didnt complain? Why bother, im routinly harrased, stalked, called idiot, conspiracy-nutbag, Shi'a-extrem-pov-editor, being blocked, the blocking adming breaking not one, but two rules, and nobody caring... If they didnt care then, why should they care now? --Striver 00:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

please tell me your idia

salam

I guess you aren't from the middle east. If I'm right please read these pages(] and ) and tell me your idea. although you don't like this subject probably, but I want to know if these articles show bad view of Muslim's or not. --Sa.vakilian 04:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Sistani

please see this, and tell if its a fair way of describing Sistani?--Irishpunktom\ 14:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC) hm... i think that is more of Zereshk's quarter... ill ask him :) --Striver 14:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

No personal attacks

Will you please stop restoring the personal attacks, and personal remarks that is on Irishpunktoms userpage. Personal attacks is not allowed, and it doesn't matter if it happends on your or anyone else userspace. I don't make any nasty comments about you on my userpage or userspace, so I suggest that you and other members of the "Muslim Guild" stop these violations of Wikipedias NPA policy. -- Karl Meier 12:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

ha. ha. ha. Funny. Really funny to try to make this a "Muslim Guild" issue. And it is equally funny that you are offended considering your user page history. But considering that you have backed of your old user page, ill consider the dispute settled. Happy future editing. --Striver 15:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It is obvious that a large number of editors from the Muslim Guild (such as you, Irishpunktom, and Anonymous Editor) like and find it entertaining to make personal attacks, and will revert to protect their existance on userpages such as Irishpunktoms. It's an interesting organization, the Muslim Guild. I also noticed that I and a few other editors has also been singled out for harassment "scrutiny" on the Guilds talkpage. -- Karl Meier 18:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You are giving me way to much credit, those guys you mentined would have voted for kicking me out of wikipedia one year ago. Karl, rember that its me that is supposed to be the conspiratorial one here. Anyhow, i get your point, you feel bad. Ill try to be more nice twords you. As for the other guys, i dont boss over them. --Striver 19:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Moves

Striver, moving the articles to Islamic view of ruins the entire way the articles are written. The articles on their own deserve an article as important prophets not simply a "view" of the Biblical figure. Musa is important on his own as a prophet, not because he is a christian figure. I will keep the Jesus one however. The same discussion will not apply to the other pages. --a.n.o.n.y.m 16:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Salam brother. Ill answer on the Isa talk page. Peace. --Striver 16:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Striver it's not necessary to add that notice to all talk pages. It's fine, it has worked differently for the Isa one, leave other ones as they are since it will only result in too many pov forks. --a.n.o.n.y.m 16:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Bro, the reason im doing this is because i honestly belive that it is wrong to have it this way. We cant have a article named <English name of x> and another one <Arabic name of x>, and then let <English name of x> be about the Judeo chritian view, while the <Arabic name of x> is about the Islamic view. Remeber that Christian Arabs also use <Arabic name of x>.

God vs. savior

"Jesus (pbuh) is maybe not God in my Islamic view, but he is the awaited Savior."

A little off-topic for WP, maybe, but I think this was the original (and, in my view, most legitimate) Christian view of Jesus.Timothy Usher 04:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, i agree with that. But then came the Church... --Striver 07:15, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Sahih Bukhari

Re your comments in Talk:Sahih Bukhari#Zora: You need to stop being so confrontational and pushing your POV. I'm getting tired of receiving reports of your bad behavior, reports that I must address because I'm an admin and have a responsibility. I assume you're a grown-up person, not a child, and you should be able to discuss things properly without creating an edit war in every single page you update with your "Shi'a view of X" trademark. I'm warning you that repeatedly coming close to violating policies counts against you in other people's appreciation. At this point, few would disagree that you should be blocked the next time you do things like you did in Sahih Bukhari (i. e. re-writing the whole article from your personal POV). So tread carefully. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Bro, i did not "re-writing the whole article from your personal POV", it is Zora that messed up the article. How is it that its me that is accused of "re-writing", when it is me that created it to start with? It is Zora that did the re-writing, and i listed my objection to her version there, and i was not the only one to do so, a Sunni editor was not to happy about her edits either. However, i do hear "I'm getting tired of receiving reports of your bad behavior". Next time you get one, inform me of it, and ill see how to respond. In *this* particualr issue, ie Sahih Bukhari, the basic for the complain, ie *me* doing the re-write, is false. --Striver 15:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You don't WP:OWN an article even if you started it. Zora and others edited the article, and you re-introduced your own content and resisted others' attempts to remove it. It doesn't matter what religious affiliation editors have. If you insist in viewing this as Shi'a POV vs. everyone else's, you'll get into this kind of trouble all the time.

The reports of your behaviour were made by JerseyDevil and you can read some in my talk page. You can also read what I told JD about them. In short, they refer to some of your habits that JD finds annoying, though not in violation of WP policies. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, i read about it. I try to take it at heart, but its really hard, since i consider "them" to be a equal, if not a greater pain. But they win, since they are politicaly correct. What im saying is that the feeling of being perceiving as extreamly anoying is mutual.

As for the Sahih Bukhari article, i dont claim ownership of it, i have added every single thing that Zora wants in it, and i even have made edits that Zora did not aprove of, but the Sunni editor demaned to have included. this is not a question of ownership, this is a good old content dispute. I have given a long and detailed arguemnt of why i deem the hadith list to be relevant to the article, and i perceive Zoras arguement to be lacking. She does have a good point some times, but she does not have one in this issue. Zora sometimes insist on having things her way just because she wants it, no mater the facts. If you want, ill give you as many examples as you want. --Striver 16:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Why Muslim Guild?

I am member of both Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Islam as well as the Muslim Guild. I also do not know that why the Muslim Guild is created? Should not be it merge with Islam project? --- Faisal 03:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, i dont have a good answer. I dont know if there is a good answer or not, i just dont have one. Maybe its just becaus i woke up 2 minutes ago... --Striver 07:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

hehe, I like that answer. The Muslim guild has an ability to deal with things which affect muslims, such as the religion of Islam - which is shared by Muslims, but also things which affect Muslims which have little bearing on the religions - such as the role of Women in Muslim societies, or Hujum, or Paranji, etc, etc. --Irishpunktom\ 14:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

POV pusher

Your nonsense is never going to go in the 9/11 articles. Never. If you continue to misuse wikipedia resources, you'll end up at arbcom and there will be dozens of people that will contribute to seeing you blocked from editing those types of articles. In all liklihood, there may also be an end to the fighting you also engage in on the Moslem related articles as well. You create POV forks constantly, spam other POV pushers with similar nonsense POV pushing agendas and have been incivil more times than I can count. There really isn't much more to say, aside from the fact that we can ignore you some, but in the end, if you continue, we will do what we have to do.--MONGO 18:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, lets pretend its only me... --Striver 19:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks Striver

Thanks Striver, I am currently working on "Criticism of Islam" article. One problem I used to have there is that I don't have online access to the shia authentic Hadiths. I prefer to sometimes quote from Shia sources rather than always quoting from Bukhari, etc. Also, regarding tafsirs, I do have access to Tafsir Nemooneh and part of Al-Mizan but that's not enough. I would be thankful if you could help me. --Aminz 04:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a bit of trouble finding good Shi'a sources as well.... try this List of Shi'a books, but ill doubt it will help. Peace --Striver 09:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Internal spamming

For your information (once again, you have been told this many many times before): internal spamming to stack discussions is not appropriate on Misplaced Pages. I advise you to stop it. Not invent excuses for doing it. Yes, including helping others do it. Weregerbil 17:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? Since when is that "internal spaming"? Spaming implies multiple messages, not one single one. --Striver 17:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I promise I kid you not.

Your answer would be an example what I meant with " not invent excuses for doing it."

As to multiple messages: . See User:Raphael1's edit history; I didn't bother look for more. And the last one is to a project page for many people to see.

I strongly suggest you accept that trying to affect discussions by inviting people of a given POV is not allowed. If you are unwilling to accept that, would you prefer we take this issue in front of a larger group of editors to discuss? Weregerbil 17:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If Raphael1 whent to other editors before going to the guild is nothing that i either knew or feel i need to be concerned of. What is the idea of a project if not to co-operate and having a centralized place for people intrested in a given topic? Take a look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Religion, dont you think they inform eachother there regarding votings and such? Bro, im sure you mean it in good faith, but i find the idea of a wikiproject aimed at coordinating efforts, BUT as long as we dont inform eachother as a... nonsensical notion. If you feel there is to many people holding a certain pov, then join and make it more neutral in your view. --Striver 18:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Still you persist on making excuses. Please be mindful that you really do not have special permission to spam. I suggest in the future you do not attempt to sway consensus by spamming. Not once. You have now filled this editor's patience to the very limit. Weregerbil 18:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright, you know what? Show me a single wikipedia policy that makes clear that informing people on a wikiproject is "Spaming" and i will stop informing people on wikiprojects. Until then, im sorry, i cant accept your position.--Striver 18:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't attempt to sway consensus by encouraging participation in a discussion by people that you already know have a certain point of view. From WP:SPAM. Remember seeing that here? Would you prefer we take this issue in front of a larger group of editors to discuss? Weregerbil 18:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the headline of the section from whre you got that quote: "By internal spamming, we mean cross-posting of messages to a large number of user talk pages, by Wikipedians, in order to promote Misplaced Pages matters such as elections, disputes, discussions, etc. It also includes the use of a custom signature to automatically append some promotional message to every signed post. I see three things: 1) "cross-posting". It is not cross-posting to add a single note on a wikiproject. 2) "a large number". It is not "a large number" to add a single note on a wikiproject. 3) "user talk pages". It is not "user talk pages" to add a single note on a wikiproject. It does seem like we are not going anywhere with this, feel invited to bring a neutral and non-involved admin to give input on this dispute. Peace. --Striver 18:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Striver,

I feel your insistence you are allowed to sway consensus by inviting editors of a specific POV is untenable. After consulting with fellow editors, I feel compelled to inform you that should you persist, and cannot be otherwise convinced, the next time this happens I shall request input on such behaviour from a larger audience, viz. using the Requests for comment procedure. I do wish you would stop without such measures, but I am at a loss as how to convince you otherwise. Wikilawyering and making excuses are not the solution. Weregerbil 19:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I do take some of your critique at heart, the next time im going to advertise a afd for a 9/11 issue, ill make sure ill inform a equal amount of people of each pov. If that is what you mean, i get the point, ill try to remeber it. But if your point is that Islam-related topics should not be advertised in the Muslim guild, im sorry, i simply do not agree. Anyhow, thanks for your good faith atemp at comunicating, and im sorry its not resulting in you beeing pleased. Honestly. --Striver 19:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I advise you not to invite anyone to any AfD. Not even if you invite equal numbers in pursuit of "no consensus, no keep". Here it is again a simple as it gets: no internal spamming. AfDs are consensus building discussions, not competitions of who has the largest number of biased people they can invite by whatever means. This is how I see things; and I will ask for outside opinions if you do it again, no matter what excuse or wikilawyering trick you invent. Weregerbil 19:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I tried to find the policy, but failed, but im quite sure that it is perfecly ok to inform other people intrested in the subject that a afd is in proces. Alhtough i did not find the text in my short search, are you disputing its existens? --Striver 19:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

You may wish to see Misplaced Pages:Spam if you have not already. I know that user:Schuminweb was blocked recently for doing something similar. You may wish to see his talk page for a discussion with admins about it. --Strothra 19:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a quote i found that refelcts exactly what im trying to say: Schuminweb, do you agree not to spam talk pages for "votes"? If you want to get the attention of people in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Anti-war, why not just post at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Anti-war?. See? Talk page= not good, WikiProject = Good. Do you dissagree? --Striver 19:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I would not suggest you use that as an excuse. Don't attempt to sway consensus by encouraging participation in a discussion by people that you already know have a certain point of view. No matter where you put the invitations. I suggest no wikilawyering, no tricks to get around it, and no excuses. This is only my opinion of course. Weregerbil 20:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I feel we are not going any further. Anyhow, thanks for talking with me. --Striver 20:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Striver, a WikiProject is people gathering to write and/or improve articles about a certain topic, regardless of their particular POVs. In fact, a WikiProject conceived to enforce a certain POV in articles is a violation of the spirit of Misplaced Pages, even if that's not in a policy, which you request so forcefully. Pay attention to what others are saying to you (including the reasons given for the recent deletion of your "9/11 is government POV" project) and don't make more excuses. Policies in WP are based in consensus, and the consensus is more or less clear (even for those that voted "keep" in your project's MfD) that it's not a good idea to do what you did. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 18:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Pablo-flores, the Muslim guild is open to anyone, we even remade the front project page since it made some non-musilms to feel un-invited. If people complain that posting a message there is recruting equals bringin the atention of people of a certain pov, what is the ideal solution in your opinion: a) Forbiding people to post on that project b) Have people of diferent povs enter the project? --Striver 18:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

lol

Guys, take a look: mfd --Striver 17:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hadith of Persians and knowledge

I am not knowledgeable in this area so the best I could hope to offer is that you use mainstream and reliable sources for your information, expand on areas as you can and I can help with typos or make suggestions as to how to format things some.--MONGO 00:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

All you can do is the best you can do...nobody is paying you, so if you want to expand the article, its much like working on any term paper or college level thesis...you have to research the information and cite reliably published references. I see no problem with adding common knowledge, just be prepared to defend that information with a reference that is reliable. WP:V--MONGO 09:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, i get it. My aim is to raise some of the "hadith of..." articles to "good article" standard, but it will take some effort. Thanks for helping! Peace. --Striver 09:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I clicked over to the English version and it appears fine to me...has many sublinks...also the Alexa page has links to other reference sources as well. Again, I am no authority at all on the topic of Islam. Peace be with you.--MONGO 10:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Pointless unproductive stub creation

Striver, why are you creating pointless mini-stub articles without much likelihood of valid expansion, yet again one more time??? You have been warned about this MANY MANY times before in the past, yet you always continue down this same path regardless of the warnings that MANY MANY people have given you on MANY MANY occasions. "R-H-M" is the stupidest pointless mini-stub you've created yet -- there's no valid reason to create this article unless there were a plausible chance that there would be a whole series of informative articles about a number of Arabic triconsonantal roots -- something which is extremely unlikely to happen any time in the forseeable future. For this reason, I'm redirecting R-H-M to "Basmala" (i.e. بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ). If you want to link between Rahman (name) and/or Abd-al-Rahman (name) and/or Basmala that's up to you, but please don't create any more pointless mini-stubs on triconsontal roots (unless you actually have something worth saying about them). AnonMoos 23:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

You meant like S-L-M and Ḥ-M-D, whom both are included in the Category:Triconsonantal roots and are edited by people like User:Dbachmann and user:Benne? Please stop with the questioning my work in such a threatening tone without bothering to even check the categories, before exlaiming ""R-H-M" is the stupidest pointless mini-stub you've created yet -- there's no valid reason to create this article unless there were a plausible chance that there would be a whole series of informative articles about a number of Arabic triconsonantal roots". --Striver 23:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Striver, I've really lost all patience with your endless antics and pointless rotating of the hamster wheel on Misplaced Pages -- add some basic correct information to R-H-M (something which it's conspicuously lacking in the form in which you left it) or leave it as a redirect. AnonMoos 23:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Happy? --Striver 00:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Striver, the basic issue remains, why didn't you keep the promise you made at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Jersey Devil, when you wrote "Ill try to follow that User:Striver 03:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)" in response to Georgewilliamherbert's remarks, which I quote in part?? --

"I urge that: Striver slow down on stub creation; place more fully formed articles into main namespace, and utilize sandboxes more when working on potential articles, so that they are properly formed when they reach main namespace."

It's nice if other people bolstered up S-L-M and H-M-D to make them semi-respectable, but that's the "relying on the kindness of strangers" method, and doesn't change the fact that the R-H-M article as you have left it is a complete mess of a ministub, which is utterly and completely inadequate in many ways (and adding a few more redlinks of dictionary words derived from ر ح م ain't gonna change that). I've followed around behind you cleaning up and expanding the inadequate ministubs that you've created many times in the past, but I'm simply not going to do so in this case. You may be a very pious Shi`i Muslim believer, but you are not a linguist in any sense, and it would make things easier for other people if you would recognize your limitations in this area. AnonMoos 00:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sahaba's ancestors

Hi. Hope you're doing well. I think it is worthy of being kept because ever since I got here Misplaced Pages has been moving more and more towards including just about anything. The fact that we can write about these people 1400 years later (even if only from traditions) makes me tend to believe they are as notable as some minor internet fad of today. I also think keeping things like this will help to stop some Misplaced Pages:Recentism. I can't say that I know if the list is accurate or not... so this is presuming it is accurate. I would say you created a messy situation... you have this article, First Muslim Dynasty, and the family tree of many people... I think some of them should be merged (in fact look at First Muslim Dynasty, it has 5 merge requests on it). So, I would say it's useful but probably under another name. Maybe it should replace the Family tree of Muhammad.... or it should become part of Qurayshi lineage. I'm not sure (I don't like the name Sahaba's ancestors). But, I do agree that the content seems relevant somewhere. If you put this on Deletion Review link me to it so I can comment. Thanks. gren グレン 09:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for you comments, i appreciate it. As for the "situation", this is my prefered solution: The "Sahabas ancestor" article tries to tie together the families, and not go into details such as wives, cousins and such, unless they are extremly notable wives, and rather try to "tie everything together". If you look, "Sahabas ancestor" actualy ties together the Banu Hashim, Banu Ummayad and the tribe of Zubayr together down to their common ancestor. That scope is to large for the "Family tree of x" article, those article try to give a full and comprehensive view, as detailed as possible, focusing on the individual, so we but all wives and children there, even if they dont have a article. Now, JD started his deletion spree witouth caring, and it ended in merging some trees into First Muslim Dynasty. They didnt consider that once all trees are finished, the First Muslim Dynasty will be a total mess, imposible to navigate, and way to large. That is why i advocate each tree having its own article, and each entry on each tree linking to other tree, in the same way as Muhammad has a link to his tree in the Family tree of Abu Bakr. Anyhow, no information is lost in merging to First Muslim Dynasty, so i did'nt make an issue of it, it will eventualy go back to each one having its own tree. --Striver 09:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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Page advertisement

Once you have created another unencylopedic cruft, at least, keep it to yourself instead of spoiling other articles by advertising it. Pecher 18:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

And why is that unencylopedic? That statment made me quite angry. Do not remove legitimate links. --Striver 18:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Striver, Tribes of Arabia during Muhammad's era is a list with a rather dubious title and raison d'être. Please desist the urge to insert links to it into the intro of the legitimate articles. Banu Qurayza, let alone Quraysh, were not "tribes of Muhammad" era, they had existed long before and, in the case of Quraysh, long after Muhammad. Pecher 17:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure, ill rename it. --Striver 20:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Arabian tribes that interacted with Muhammad, better? --Striver 20:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

There happen to be some Jewish tribes, too. Pecher 20:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wherent they Arabian tribes? What is your prefered name? --Striver 20:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, Arabian accepted. Shouldn't there be a word "list" in the title? This is a list, actually. Pecher 21:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I just expanded it to be a non-stub article. Feel free to add to it. --Striver 21:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

What unique content do you expect to add there? Pecher 21:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Not much of unique content, but rather kind of a "tribe-centric view" of the life of Muhammad. All along i conduct my stuidies in Islamic history, i come accross of different tribe names that i have never heard of, or have dificulty to keep in mind, and that article is a suitabe place to have a introduction to the general location of the tribes, and a general introductino to their doings and politics. A good place to knit the all together --Striver 21:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what lists are for, don't you think? Pecher 07:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, i would say that the article has more infor than just a list would have.... --Striver 07:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Abraham/Ibrahim

Well thanks for the notice, i have proposed the merger on the Hebrew Bible page aswell. Its just ridiculous having 3 pages about the same person!

Your Name

You don't have to be so defensive. BhaiSaab 23:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

How do you mean? I dont understand... --Striver 00:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, akhee. BhaiSaab 00:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Yazid I

Can you take a look at some of the recent edits of this article, and tell me if they're just additions or POV? I don't know much about Islamic history, but some of it seems debatable (i.e. changing "Battle" to "Massacre").--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 14:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Ikiroid beat me to it. --Striver 14:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I removed a little, but take a look at all the other things (See the current additions made by anons, with my NPOVization). It's a bit....I don't know the word....suspicious maybe? None of it is cited, and additions like the following seem suspect:

This view is mainly taken by those who are concerned about the impact it would have on Muawiyah's judgement in placing his son as caliph. Although the notion of remaining silent, when considering the wrongfull actions of any individual, runs counter to the central tenets of Islamic thought the Sunni's nonetheless have held fast to equivocating over the actions of Yazid.

It seems a bit Anti-Sunni, of course it may just be badly worded. I see that you are muslim, so if this is relatively common knowledge in Islamic history perhaps you could verify it, and I may be over-reacting over nothing.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 01:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Well its a hard topic, its contoversial to the point that even known facts are disputed. For example, its fairly common that Yazid was a open drunk, but there are people that try to pretend he was not. It will take a lot of effort to NPOV that page and im not ready to commit myself to that. Im sorry for not being for more help, but i have tried to get somewhere with that article in the past, and did not get any succes. My advice is that you be bold and dont be to affraid of messing the article up, its not much to have anyway in my very personal view. Or even better, go to the articles talk page. Sorry, and peace!--Striver 09:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand, and I am impressed by your self-discipline to avoid articles which you may be biased towards, and to admit it. I will try to npovize the article to the best of my ability if someone hasn't already. Till we meet again, The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, dont get me more credit than im worth, its not so much about not wanting to get involved where i know im biased, i do that all the time, its more about commiting to do edits that will survive longer than the next revert. --Striver 23:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, you'd be surprised. Ed Poor didn't know where to stop....he got de-cratted, de-sysopped, the whole thing.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 00:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Islam and criticism

In your most recent edit summary on the Islam article (this diff), you said the article "has already a critisism section". I don't see anything like that in the table of contents to the Islam article, all I find is a bare link in the "See also" section to another article. Your summary also contrasted to the Christianity article, which does have a section entitled "Controversies" that then references Criticism of Christianity as the daughter article for the subject. Am I missing something, or are these not currently as parallel as your summary makes it sound? GRBerry 20:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I was misstaken, i remebered an old disscotion about the same topic, and i wrongfully assumed that the old solution was intakt. I still belive that terrorism stuff does not belong as a article section as long as there is no entire section about the crusades on christianity. However, if there is a critisim or similar section lacking in the Islam article, it needs to be added. --Striver 21:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. Sometimes I'm blind, but I'd hate to be that far off when I'm responding to a RFC and take my time before responding. GRBerry 22:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, peace! --Striver 09:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Mutaween

As salam alaikum. Have a look at mutaween - there is a lot of anti-Muslim bias here and this term is connected mainly with Saudi state, but some people are trying to expand it to the entire Muslim world! AlMuslimeen 05:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Wa aleikom as salam! Yeah, wikipedia is big, and we have all sort of people here. I posted yout comment here where people more experienced with the term can take a look. Peace!--Striver 09:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

ANI

Just to let you know, you are being discussed on the AN/I in relation to User:FairNBalanced. User:FairNBalanceds description of the marines victim, the same image as contained on your Userpage, as a terrorist, and other distasteful, even hateful, images and commentary led to him being blocked. Folks are comparing that commantary with the one on your userpage. Also, please check out my WP:RFAR. --Irishpunktom\ 10:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the info, i asked a admin regarding my user page. Also, thanks for notifying me about the RFAR. --Striver 14:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Seen your additions to the RFAR - thanks! Also - E-Mail me! --Irishpunktom\ 23:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Just wrote what i viewd as accurate. --Striver 23:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I replied to your E-mail, but, i got a reply telling me it failed! -

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I was wondering why you aint been replying! It happened again

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Ahmed

Article Ahmed is human name disambiguation, please do not revert the edit without discussing why is it not disambiguation in article talk page, also please check other Common name articles eg : John ,George, Simon, Wilson,Elizabeth. hope it helps :) --Sartaj beary 00:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey btw Abdul is article --Sartaj beary 00:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

from Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)

Disambiguation pages ("dab pages") are, like redirects, non-article pages in the article namespace. Disambiguation pages are solely intended to allow users to choose among several Misplaced Pages articles, usually when a user searches for an ambiguous term.

I read that to say that since the article contains information beyond was is intended for "solely" "allow users to choose among several Misplaced Pages articles", its is more that a "non-article". Its is in fact, a article. As for the other dabs, maybe they should be remade to name articles instead, that is, if they provide anything more than "solely" "allow users to choose among several Misplaced Pages articles". Abdul is a article? I can only see a redirect... --Striver 00:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Btw, even if it where only a dab, its more than *just* a human name dab.--Striver 00:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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I also had to unlink the scroogle.org link, since it's been added to the Spam blacklist which means the software wouldn't let me save the page with the link in it. I've left URL still there, it's just not a clickable link any more. (If you wish to dispute the blacklisting, please take it up with the Meta admins — I'm not one of them. For what it's worth, the stated reason for blacklisting seems to be that "These sites are redirecting requests from Wikimedia sites to a third-party site.") —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Userpage

Yes, I was referring to that picture from Abu Ghraib. User:FairNBalanced has already got into a lot of trouble for similar things. I think it can only cause problems between editors.Blnguyen | rant-line 04:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Awwam ibn Khuwaylid

I am going to {{prod}} this article becuase as I see it, it fails to assert the importance of the subject (CSD A1). I thought I would be kind and give you a heads up:) Eagle talk 06:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I was going to {{db-bio}}, but I did not because of your recent edit to the page. Eagle talk 06:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Works of Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi

Taking you at your word "I would appreciate if they could just ask me to expand it" from the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Meaning of the Qur'an (tafsir), there are a number of articles linked from this page which would benefit from expansion. I think you created all, or most, of them. I have no way of knowing that the books themselves are notable, but I assume they are from the subject matter in the titles. It's the articles that could do with expansion. And I'm hoping you will be able to give them at least the minimum expansion they need to assert notability. Fiddle Faddle 21:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the trust. Here are the relevant articles:

• The Meaning of the Qur'an — created by me, seems like it will be keept after my humble expansion
• Islamic Way of Life — created by me
• Khutabat: Fundamentals of Islam — created by me
• Caliphs and Kings — created by me

The rest:

• Human Rights in Islam
• Al-Hijab
• Economic System of Islam
• Human Rights in Islam
• Introduction of Islam
• Rights of Non Muslims in Islamic State
• Social System of Islam
• System of Government under the Holy Prophet
• Economic Problem of Man and its Islamic Solution
• Islamic Law and its Introduction in Pakistan
• Qadiani Problem
• Towards Understanding Islam

are not created by me, rather by User:Falcon1234.

As for the ones i created, ill take a look at them now. --Striver 21:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

As I am sure you feel strongly about those that are also in need of expansion, but created by User:Falcon1234, and since I do not have any expertise at all in Islam, perhaps you and Falcon1234 would collaborate in expanding the others where necessary?

I'm sure you'll understand that my Prodding them and the AfD on the other article is purely an attempt to ensure that the articles become worthy of their subjects (assuming the subjects themselves are notable)

As I am sure you know, you are perfectly entitled to remove the Prod yourself. It says so in the prod tag. Though I am sure you will expand them before doing this.

I wish you good fortune with the AfD. It isn't a ballot, and that article may still fail. Any expansion and assertion of notability that you can do on it in addition to that which you have done already will strengthen the case against deletion. As I've said on the discussion page there, it isn't enough yet for me, but others disagree. That is good, because it provokes thought and discussion and consensus.

Fiddle Faddle 22:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I just somewhat expanded Caliphs and Kings recently, and i continue to look on the others. I dont have much invested intrest on his other books, but for the wiki sake, ill take and expand them with some obvious things such as who the auothour is and stuff. but im not going to de-prod the articles i did not creat, since, just as i said, i dont have much intrest in them. Thanks for your cooperation!--Striver 22:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Al-islam.org

Striver, was jsut finishing wikifying al-islam.org; tried to wl the journals Al-Serat, Al-Tawheed, and Al-Thaqalayn as well as al-Ghadir trad. - none of them are on WP, obviously best done by someone with language ability & subject knowledge - could you steer those the right way?Bridesmill 02:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

sure :) --Striver 06:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I found some info on Al-Sirat, and i linked to it, but it was external linking and i doupt i could make a good stub out of it. But i created good red-links for it. I did not have any luck tracking the other journals, not in their internal search and not in goolge by large. So i just red-linked them as well. I hope it was of some help. Peace :) --Striver 07:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

For me to remember

{{Bukhari-usc|5|58|236}} {{Muslim-usc|8|3310}} Confirmation bias

They said we will make you wish to die and it will not happen They stripped me naked. One of them told me he would rape me. He drew a picture of a woman to my back and makes me stand in shameful position holding my buttocks.

— Ameen Saeed Al-Sheik, detainee No. 151362,

FUTON bias

http://www.thememoryhole.org/tenet-911.htm

The award

Thank You Striver for giving me the Zulfiqar Award. I really appreciate it because it always feels good when someone appreciates your work and effort. Salman

Merge

Yo striver u gotta teach me how to merge the articles man. And yes that article (Umm-e-Salama) was long because I paraphrased the article from another website. But that is not considered as a copyright violation. Thank You Salman

Economic System of Islam (book)

Thank you for the acknowledgement of good faith. As I am sure you see I am simply following up the process I started with a Prod. I'm content that the prod was removed from this and its colleague articles, and am equally content that discussion is now taking place on AfD. My deep hope is that knowledgeable editors will pick this challenge up and improve the articles, perhaps even beyond stub status. I have nothing to use to judge the topics of the articles. For me (forgive me) they may or may not be notable topics. I simply argue that the articles about the books are not notable as articles. As you know I am more than happy to change my vote when I see things change. Fiddle Faddle 10:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I like the work you are doing on these articles. I have already withdrawn the two that you have worked so far on and placed a comment in the AfD discussion to seek to ensure that the other articles are only deleted if they have not had similar attention. I will not be online much longer today, so I am sure the closing admin will take a balanced view after your work and the extra comment. Fiddle Faddle 16:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you :)--Striver 16:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• A pleasure. My objective is that wikipedia is always becoming better. Individual articles simply need to be worth having :) Fiddle Faddle 17:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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Abu Sufyan ibn Harb article

I am reverting this back to an earlier version because someone along the line has so completely mucked this up by combining Abu Sufyan ibn Harb & Abu Sufyan ibn al-Harith. What I need you to do is reference the family relations you've added to the article. The only one I could source is his daughter Ramlah bint Abu Sufyan.--Isotope23 19:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with you adding the geneology back, but if you can... please try and source it. It's not that I'm any way worried about this being controversial... it's just a good idea to mention sources, even if it is just listing a book that has this information.

Time permitting I'm going to be going through other Islamic articles over the next several weeks and sourcing/cleaning them up as appropriate. If it's cool I might run some things by you because I don't necessarily consider myself a subject expert on Islam.--Isotope23 22:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, lets cooperat to enhance wikipedia. Ill do what i can, but i hope you excuse me if i come short on knowledge, references or time. Peace! --Striver 22:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Sahaba's ancestors

Hey, I wasn't near a computer for the last day or so... umm, I'm not sure how to go with that one... or if I will comment... because... I think there could be a good systematic way to deal with it. That title is not very good... and I don't think we want redundany family trees all over the place. What you did with Family tree of Muhammad looks like... assuming it's accurate and all... I have no idea what the genealogy is... I think we should work a little to source it... because, you do get scholars who don't believe the traditions... but, that's not a pressing issue. Granted, making too unified a list will make it an incredibly windy and convoluted document.--actually I've made up my mind... see the page. gren グレン 20:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm.... that was a lot of dots.... you mean that i should source it better? Any other suggestion on how to improve Family tree of Muhammad ?--Striver 21:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

a mistake

salam

I'm a Shiite and I guess there is a big mistake in Fatima Zahra. There is written "According to Shi'a Muslims, Fatima Zahra binte Mohammed was Islamic Prophet Muhammad's only daughter" . I looked for a reference for it, but I can't find anything in Persian document. Please correct it.--Sa.vakilian 10:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

excuse me but I can't find the text you refer to it.--Sa.vakilian 13:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I try to find more evidence. but I can't find a reliable document.--Sa.vakilian 13:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Bro, are you saying that Tijani is not a reliable source? --Striver 16:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

no. If he said this, then I should study more. I'll ask somebody who is expert in hadis and history. Do you know Rasool Jafarian.--Sa.vakilian 10:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Revert

Striver, I reverted your change to Abu Sufyan ibn Harb because it looks like you took the article back to the version that attributes information and quotes about Abu Sufyan ibn al-Harith to Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, which is what I'm trying to clean up here. Probably a better thing to do would be to take the version I have right now and add to it with WP:V information rather that revert back to earlier versions that contain factual inaccuracies.--Isotope23 14:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Banu (arabic)

Thanks for letting me know. I changed my vote at the AfD. —Mets501 (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that really made me happy :D --Striver 18:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

To be with the truthful (book)

If you want it back, I'd recommend simply recreating it. The version I speedied consisted of only one sentence. --InShaneee 18:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Alright, just one more thing. You do have a good amount more content to add to it then, right? --InShaneee 18:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Okie dokie. Done! :) --InShaneee 18:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd fix the 'views' sections to be a little more neutral. The way they're written, it sounds like EVERYONE of that faith has those beliefs about the book, which is a very general statement. Otherwise, looking good! --InShaneee 22:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Binte VS Bint

Salam My brother Striver, what’s happening dawg? Well first of all binte means daughter of (just like ibn mean son of). What I started noticing in wikipedia is that most of the Islamic articles have bint instead of binte after the names of respected female individuals in the history of Islam. Bint has a spelling mistake since it leaves out the e from binte. That’s why whenever I see bint or bin in an article I always replace them with binte and ibn (which is the right form of saying son of and daughter of in Islam). Thank You Salman

No problem Striver, any time man. Bro here is a link to an Islamic website where you can ask questions regarding Islam and respected individuals in the history of Islam. The link is, Al-Khoei.org, it is going to take you straight to the question box. They will get back to you within a week. Sometimes even parents get confused and then only way to find out the truth is by asking the experts. Don’t hesitate to use the link, later man. Thank You Salman

Ihram

Hey, you moved Ihram article to Ahram. Why? --Lanov 22:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry brother, but I'm a native speaker of Arabic and I know it is ihram or ehram. It can't be ahram at all. --Lanov 00:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion

It falls under two speedy deletion criteria, articles with little to no content and, more importantly, biographys of people with no claim to notability. Simply being related to notable people does not mean that the person themself is notable. --InShaneee 19:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I fully support speedying in this case per InShaneee's reasoning. In addition, the proper English transliteration is "bint", not "binte". "Binte" is the Persian variant, I suppose. Pecher

Whoa, calm down. You can leave the comment below there if you really like, but it was left by a vandal who's been using an open IP address to stalk me today. He has been spamming dozens of pages with the below comment. --InShaneee 20:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

he likes deleting

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1. Higham, Scott, and Stephens, Joe, "New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge", Washington Post, May 21, 2004