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The composer/songwriter

Hey peeps in the know i'd like to find in this article some insight on how she comes up with songs : is she mostly a lyricist, or a composer ? I suppose both, since her songs are not attributed to anyone else, that i noticed. So then, does she start off with the lyrics and put music to it, like Elton John does with the lyrics provided to him, or the other way around ? Does she play an instrument, although not on stage ? If not, then how does she come up with the full orchestration of her melody ? I mean i don't wonder so much the same concerning Christine McVie or Lindsey Buckingham, since they are both instrumentalists. --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Generally, she would compose lyrics while forming rudimentary chords and melodies on a piano, or occasionally a guitar. For Fleetwood Mac songs, these demos were fleshed out by Buckingham, with occasional input from Christine McVie. Nicks got final say in how the songs were to sound, but that sound was generally created by Buckingham, though he was never credited as a co-writer. Her solo stuff was usually fleshed out by her co-writers or back-up musicians. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. That's very much what i imagined, and it makes complete sense. I'll have to check out her solo stuff at some point. Such information would do well in the article body (if sourced, of course). --Jerome Potts (talk) 18:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone redirected this article to Goat and I reverted it, but now it says REDIRECT Goat at the top of the page and I'm not entirely sure how to remove that, as it doesn't show up in the source. Sorry about that. Jenrzzz (talk) 09:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixed the goat issue. That was strange. Jenrzzz (talk) 09:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

A younger photo request

1979 was 33 years ago at this writing. Is it possible to include a photo of her from this era? She is, after all, a frontwoman, and her image is important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.88.143.1 (talk) 14:25, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I found some freely licensed ones I could upload if everyone is okay with it...--Amandallc (talk) 04:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. Any more? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 10:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

There actually are a few more. I uploaded a couple more recent ones to Wikimedia Commons, as well as a couple more from the 70s era. I'll add a couple more to the bio.--Amandallc (talk) 04:43, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 08:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

You know that "I found some freely licensed" means: you found some files that anyone can reuse anywhere, anytime for every purpose including money making purposes? The files you found are actually published under a Creative Commons license with a non-commercial restriction. This means: the files you found are not freely license. The license you added on Wikimedia Commons was wrong, its not commons:Template:Cc-by-sa-2.0 as you say but commons:Template:cc-by-nc-sa-2.0. --Martin H. (talk) 12:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I was given permission by the photographer to post them. I'll ask him to change the license...I thought it was under the freely shared.--Amandallc (talk) 05:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

One picture was reviewed and accepted. I'll post it to the page. Thanks for taking the time to try to add photos. The licenses for these things can be confusing. --Alwaysaparadox (talk) 23:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

She spent her adolescence listening to Janis Joplin records?

Joplin's first LP, with Big Brother and the Holding Company, came out when she was 19. We can quibble over the definition of "adolescence", but about 95% of hers was spent doing something other than listening to Janis Joplin records, which didn't exist yet. 50.200.41.134 (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

It now reads thus:
She spent her adolescence playing records constantly, and existing in her "own little musical world". She joined her first band, "The Changing Times", while attending Arcadia High School in Arcadia, California.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 18:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

1. Cite error: The named reference nicksfix1980 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
2. Cite error: The named reference nicksfix1997 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
3. Mike Ragogna (2012). "In Your Dreams Documentary Premieres at Hampton's: Chatting With Stevie Nicks". Huffington Post. Retrieved July 8, 2013.
4. FleetwoodMac.net: Stevie Nicks

witch rumors (media reference)

In the Harry Potter parody in Treehouse of Horror XII, Lord Montymort (Montgomery Burns) says that Lisa Simpson is "witchier than Stevie Nicks"... AnonMoos (talk) 01:58, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

1975-78:Fleetwood Mac and Rumours section. Re:Silver Springs.

Paragraph five, sentence two reads,"Nicks had also written and recorded the song "Silver Springs", but it was ultimately not included on the album because of space limitations for studio albums on vinyl records,which were limited to 24 minutes per side."

It seems to me that time constraints may not have been the only reason, if the real reason at all, for not including "Silver Springs" on "Rumours". I 'm not challenging the 24 minute limit. The Misplaced Pages article on L.P. records makes it clear that a 24 minute limit would be desirable for audio quality and/or technical reasons.

There is only one reference, at the end of the paragraph, for a fan site and link. (nicksfix.com/offtherecord.htm) The link contains a transcript from a radio interview with Nicks decades after the "Rumours" sessions. What is in the transcript doesn't quite match the above quote. In The interview Nicks says "Well, their reasons are, it was too long, and so, without asking me… or telling me… they recorded I Don’t Want to Know…. and put Silver Springs on the back of Go Your Own Way…. which was probably one of the most devastating things anybody has ever done to me in my life…."

Hmmmm. Earlier in the interview Nicks talks about the collaborative process of the band taking one of her songs and working on it to be recorded in the studio. Apparently, and she implies this, the song was set to be included on the album. ( the Wiki article on "Rumours" also states this. ) Seems to me the time issue would have come up at some point before the decision to include the song on the album. The running time for side one of "Rumours" ( per my copy, U.S. release 1977 ) is 19 minutes, 24 seconds, so a edited or re-recorded version of the song at around 4 minutes could have easily been included on the record on side one without any deletions of other songs. The 2004 C.D. release has the song after "Songbird", which could have been done as well in 1977 on side one of the L.P. with an edited or re-recorded version and been within the 24 minute limitation. ( Original studio version of "Silver Springs" is 4:48 as given in the "Rumours" Wiki article for the album. The Live version released as a single from "The Dance" in 1997 is 4:29 as given in the Wiki article for "Silver Springs". )

I accept the 24 minute limit for L.P. sides as an industry standard, and I believe the decision to include "Silver Springs" on "Rumours" had been made and later changed, and I believe an edited or re-recorded version of the song could have been included on the album within the 24 minute limitation, so then the 24 minute limitation as the only explanation for deletion of the song from "Rumours" in this article, just does not suffice for me, especially in light of what Nicks says in the interview from the reference given, and the more than four minutes that was available on side one of "Rumours".

The time constraint reason is repeated in the Wiki article for the song. The reference given there is for the 1997 Documentary of the making of the album, which I have not seen and, may give a satisfactory explanation.

Without a creditable reference to support the assertion that the song was excluded from "Rumours" solely because of the time constraints of L.P. records, it should be removed. I think a paraphrasing of what is said in the Wiki article on "Rumours" should be good enough for this article. "Silver Springs" (4:48), a song written by Nicks, was recorded at the same sessions and intended for inclusion on Rumours. It was eventually released as the B-side of "Go Your Own Way" and has been restored to later reissues of the album.

Also the last sentence of paragraph five in this section states, "The song, the rights to which are owned by Nicks' late mother Barbara...

There is nothing about Nicks Mother owing the rights to the song in the text the reference links to, this too should be referenced from a creditable source or removed.Jonel469 (talk) 15:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Good analysis and conclusion. The issues you bring up make me think that the issue needs more references telling about it rather than more contemplation on our part. Here's what I found out about "Silver Springs" in books:

• Rumours Exposed: The Unauthorized Biography of Fleetwood Mac, page 203
• Billboard, August 16, 1997
• Making Rumours: The Inside Story of the Classic Fleetwood Mac Album, pages 294–297. In this book, the engineer Ken Caillat says that the producer wanted to stay under 22 minutes per side (which would allow a higher quality sound with a deeper and wider groove than 24 minutes). Caillat puts the location as the Record Plant in Hollywood, not the one in Sausalito. He confirms that Nicks was unhappy, but he says she recorded a really good performance despite her bad reaction. Binksternet (talk) 16:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank You very much. Jonel469 (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Caillat also says there was a concern that the album would have too many slow songs. To me, that seems like the real reason for kicking out "Silver Springs", because its replacement was a fast song. The difference in time between the two songs is 3:16 versus 4:26, so only 70 seconds. Side Two runs about 20:02, plus some between-song silence, so the longer song would still have been less than 22:00 total. "Silver Springs" could have fit! Caillat describes how everybody but Nicks was happy about having the faster song in place of "Silver Springs". Binksternet (talk) 17:34, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I've changed sentence two and added one of the references you provided, and also removed the bit about song ownership from the last sentence. Jonel469 (talk) 17:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I was just reading the preface of "Making Rumours" and on page xiv Mr. Caillat says ..."all came together to create Rumours at the record plant in Sausalito", but then on 294 talks about it being hot in Hollywood, so looks like both Record Plants were used ? Jonel469 (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, both Record Plants were used. The northern one in Sausalito was used for tracking. The southern one in Hollywood was used for mixing, and for recording all of the replacement song "I Don't Want to Know". Just for absolute clarity, the first Record Plant was in New York City, but it was never visited by Nicks or Fleetwood Mac. Binksternet (talk) 23:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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