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I've kind of had it with the good advice. Apparently anyone, admins included, can get away with, are even applauded for, calling other editors and admins corrupt, cronies, abusive--but "you're not so smart" is blockable. Yeah, we're not going to get anywhere with our precious civility.

Please

• Don't go!!!! Our buzzard hasn't been fully cooked yet, and I'd miss Moosezilla. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I know! You can't leave yet! The Emergency Bra doesn't have an article. (Patent, official website, Ignoble Prize) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I just got banned from a user's talk page for saying the sentence, "It is a huge no-no". I was not aware that saying "no-no" is only appropriate to a three-year old, thus I was treating them as a child. I'm also in a "why am I here and why do I take this crap" mood. Only a matter of time before we all don't have an answer and leave. Bgwhite (talk) 05:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Drmies. Remember the number of good people who you've met through here. Like me. You edit for them, not for the drama. Ed  06:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I must have missed something. This is what happens when I go camping? Who is going to write the plot of Sharknado 3? These are the things that keep me up at night. Also, I watched Pulp Fiction on the plane yesterday, I had forgotten what an awesome movie that was. Also, did you know that the "L" in Samuel L. Jackson stands for motherfucker? --kelapstick 11:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • In addition, did you know that Buzz Aldrin won't release his famous space selfie photo under Creative Commons? I uploaded it to commons as PD-NASA, but have since nominated it for deletion, as I don't really know if it qualifies, I had asked he release it just to be sure, which he declined. If anyone knows much about NASA PD, I'd appreciate some more input over there.--kelapstick 23:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• This would never have happened if Lsjbot wrote all our articles.--Milowent • 13:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Drmies. I've only been asleep for a few hours and it seems I may have missed a hint of something of epic importance. Are you hinting at departure? Oh surely not. My heart would bleed. I have just stated elsewhere that you are the only admin I trust and admire. My admiration for you is profound and the ability to escape to and contribute to your hallowed talk page is the warmest fuzzy on Misplaced Pages. And you write such beautiful prose; here, there and everywhere. Please be encouraged. With deepest respect and regards. Fylbecatulous talk 14:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, you are needed. Take a break if you must, you've said it's rough teaching in the summer. But I just discovered that User:Hafspajen may be leaving and I come over here to see if you know and find this? One of our best editors and Admins talking about leaving? Do I really need to do the guilt thing also? Or threaten to sit in your doorway and cry? Dougweller (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think comments such as those made today by Jusdafax at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#.22Why_is_Wikipedia_Sexist.22 have helped matters. One of those brands the entire admin corps as corrupt & I know that Drmies has been mystified on their talk page. I'll mail you, Drmies, when my blood pressure returns to normal. - Sitush (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I don't see any concrete hints of leaving? But nonetheless, if not drama, then there is always bacon to improve upon. And you can never have enough of that. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I would say what Fylbecatulous said, but he already did. I can echo the sentiment, though. Stop, deep breath, smell the bacon, (a-h-h-h-h!) and take up your bed and walk. Geoff 22:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• If all the people with clue leave, we'll be left with only those to whom the dreaded edit summary at the centre of this kerfuffle applies. Rather than shouting about the gender gap, we should be trying to solve the clue gap. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Yesterday's featured picture

Did you know that when we were in France in April and May, we actually saw this flower, and now I know what it is. I have pictures of it, too, although none of mine was featured. :-) As for your comment above and the ensuing discussion, I'm going to deny what is not possible. Enjoy the pool. See ya.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Outraged

Who was blocked for saying "You're not so smart"? I'm sure we can get such a block overturned real fast, then welcome you back into the fold. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@Demiurge1000: The block was removed about 4 hours after it went in. Currently its at AN/I as a review of the close of the challenge to the close of the block review, Jimbos talk page in a dozen subsections, about a dozen talk pages of admins, managed to infect the Bureaucrats notice board, and various other sundry places of discussion. Last I checked, the current push is to argue that the unblocking admin some how violated the Misplaced Pages Terms of Service. Monty₈₄₅ 02:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

For saying "You're not so smart"? Do we have a diff of that being said? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

This is the diff in question (edit summary) but its also after he used the C word and was already up against the ropes for incivility (and the alleged sexism) Gaijin42 (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. So "You're not so smart" isn't actually what was said. Puzzling. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:04, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

The phrase is the kind of thing a grandmother would say to a young child, so in spoken English it doesn't have a pejorative connotation- more like "you're not thinking properly". "You're not so smart" seems to have a different meaning (to me it's US English usage). Pisda is a small village in Nigeria. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Paraphrase, Demiurge. It's done all over Misplaced Pages. Not so puzzling. You are welcome to come up with your own interpretation of "were you hiding behind the door when God handed out brains?"--you'll have to note, first of all, that the editor was speaking metaphorically. Many readings are possible, of course, and "you're stupid" is probably the most serious of 'em. Blockable? Pfff. Tell me what the punishment should be for this, if "stupid" is blockable. Mind you, I wouldn't have blocked for that remark. Gaijin, you'll have to accept that if someone says something not directed at any person, and he's told that he did again and again, even though he didn't, well, at some point one loses their patience--to the extent that he calls a person "not so smart". You've lost your patience too on occasion, as have I, and we've probably said worse things--and after reading up on Jimbo's talk page, where apparently now Sitush has become the poster child for the kind of sexism that apparently drives people away in droves, I'm about to lose my patience again. Sitush may well be wrong about many things--I certainly don't agree that there is no sexism, or that it's not a problem--but "without honor"? Which, by the way, is a completely masculine-inflected turn of phrase, from the time of chivalry. He Who Uttered that phrase is probably good at holding doors for the ladies. Me, I prefer to hold the door for everyone and to teach Marie de France instead of some Arthurian stuff. Wanna know what we can do to combat sexism, like in real life? Ask Crisco about the buzzard, and then go teach that text.

  Later all, and please, while I appreciate all the words of support, I do not deserve this attention, and I don't matter. Misplaced Pages needs two things. Apparently we need to Strongly Combat Rampant Incivility Even Though It's Only A Small Core Of Assholes And Their Enablers, and we got some articles to write and some POV to neutralize. Of course if Sitush is neutered, and since Boing! apparently left, we'll have to give up on the area of caste--but hey, that's the price you pay. See, now I've done it again, and I need to finish my grading. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Funny Drmies, I thought Misplaced Pages only needed one thing... People to, you know, write an encyclopedia? That is what this is, isn't it? Why we are here? I think I read that somewhere... I certainly have my own opinions (on a number of these matters). Like yours, they don't matter. Why bother talking to people, I find oversensitivity uncivil. The more I talk to people, the more I like my Dog... Where is Hafspajen when we need him, I need a good pug picture. I guess the big question is, who the fuck cares? And that is a question for a lot these situations. How long has this gone on for, two days? How much time could people have spent writing articles rather than fussing about over an edit summary, and the subsequent nuclear fall out that comes of it. --kelapstick 19:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• kelapstick, Funny peculiar, that you should mention Hafspajen. He seems to have sadly absented himself as well. Chaos is indeed occurring all around us. Fylbecatulous talk 19:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Not peculiar I should mention him, intentional... I am aware of his hiatus. --kelapstick 19:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for replying. I am happy to see you have been gifted with a pug to decorate this page anyway. All the best. Fylbecatulous talk 02:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• When we paraphrase, Drmies, we don't use quotation marks. Your use of quotation marks led me to imagine, not unreasonably, that this was a quotation. It wasn't. I am glad to be able to be less outraged (and less puzzled) now that I am better informed, albeit no wiser. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Advise

Hi Drmies, I'm doing my best to hold up my end of the self-imposed IBan with LB, but its difficult to say the least. Granted, I realize that I said "If ceasing to talk about, near, in reference to, or anywhere in the neighborhood of LB will suddenly make her less tendentious, then I'll stop immediately", but her ongoing paranoia based accusations are difficult to ignore let alone not address. For example, she keeps referencing being emailed offsite when making comments or accusations about me. She's quick to say that she has no way of knowing who sent the email, but the inference is there nonetheless.

Admittedly, I have made postings in the last few days that reference her comments, but not addressing her directly. You might have noticed some of this on Jimbo's Talk page and the Talk page for the Gender Gap Task Force. Other than "try harder to ignore it" any sage wisdom you can provide would be appreciated.

Like I said on Callanec's page, I really just don't care enough about her to make the effort to harass her; not that harassment is worth doing for anyone. But if I was as overtly malicious and nefarious as LB makes the effort to portray me, why would I be wasting my time on Misplaced Pages and not out in the real world causing chaos. I'm not a blogger or a journalist (as LB states she is), I'm just a regular guy who likes this site and sees it as a positive thing. On my User page I have these words emblazoned across the top and have for longer than this thing has been going on with LB...

My overall viewpoint towards Misplaced Pages is that is it a place of learning and a means to counteract ignorance and bigotry. My reason for this belief is that the lack of knowledge is the seed of bigotry. The more knowledgeable and enlightened people there are, in my opinion, the less ignorance and bigotry we will have in the world.

Call it my personal mission statement or Misplaced Pages mantra or what have you, but I mean it. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, it just got a little easier because now its become comical...! LB and I are now BOTH members of the Gender Gap Task Force, the Firearms Project, AND the Pornography Project. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 19:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• I've lowered my level of activity, Hot rod, in part because of the aftereffects of something she set in motion. So I'm not the best person to ask for advice right now. But if you want to ban yourself from interacting with her, you probably don't want to sign up for a project that she's a member of. Later, and good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 19:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, that's unfortunate. Point taken, but I did not join Gender Gap for any reason that has to do with LB, it just looks like a good project and I'm trying to make a worthwhile contribution. Sorry for the clutter on your Talk page and thank you for your efforts. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 20:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Question about Dan56's RfC/U

Hello there, Drmies. I noticed that you are a certifier at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Dan56, and because I have something I want to add I thought you could help me. I recently had an unpleasant experience with this user, and I wanted to add that to the RfC/U, but I'm not sure if it's an endorsement or an outside view. You can see what I've written at User:Flow Ridian/sandbox. Can you please offer me some guidance in that regard? Thanks! Flow Ridian (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)