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| As that commenter said, should we keep large versions of non-free vector images since they can be scaled to any size? ] (]) 01:17, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| * All files should satisfy ]. Note that the default display size is just an arbitrary number of little importance, so the 'size' of an SVG file needs to be determined in some other way. --] (]) 01:27, 25 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| * A user removed the {{tl|non-free reduce}} tag (which I originally added) from ] for obvious reasons. It seems that there are several users who agree that large non-free SVGs do not need to be reduced since they can be reduced or expanded to any size, including an acceptable non-free size. Are they right or not? ] (]) 12:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| * Actually, that was the same user who originally made the comment on the file's talk page. But still, are they right? ] (]) 12:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ** It has been previously established that if we can legally acquire the logo vector directly from the company that owns the logo (off their website, off a PDF document they have , etc.), that that is an acceptable non-free, and because vectors are resolution-less , it is difficult to apply 3b to them. What we don't allow is the recreation as a vector of a non-free logo (in other words, no user-created non-free SVGs are allowed), and of course, if the only version available are raster images, these have to meet #3b. --] (]) 15:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| *** Now, I've always assumed that the ban on user generated SVG versions is because they have too many copyrights attached to them, making them violations of the ]/NFCC#1 principle ("When using non-free media, the ones with the least restrictive copyright terms should be preferred").] (], ]) 15:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| **** There is that too, though arguably if the user recreates the non-free logo and then says "my SVG code is CC-BY", that's an "equivalent" free-ness as if the image is directly provided by the company that owns the logo (which covers both the graphical representation and the SVG for the most part). The main reason to avoid user-recreated non-frees is that they may not always be accurate at the small detail level, which can mis-represent the entity. It avoids derivative work issues related to that. --] (]) 16:01, 26 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| While I didn't know why we didn't allow user-created SVG non-free logos before reading those comments, this discussion is about ]. ] (]) 22:17, 3 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
| *: Is there a way to formulate a "minimal usage" standard for vectorized images? For regular images low size and low resolution are the definition of "minimal usage", but if vectors don't play by the same rule we need a vector-appropriate standard.] (], ]) 22:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Regarding this.
As that commenter said, should we keep large versions of non-free vector images since they can be scaled to any size? Hop on Bananas (talk) 01:17, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
- All files should satisfy WP:NFCC#3b. Note that the default display size is just an arbitrary number of little importance, so the 'size' of an SVG file needs to be determined in some other way. --Stefan2 (talk) 01:27, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
- A user removed the {{non-free reduce}} tag (which I originally added) from File:Green Party logo.svg for obvious reasons. It seems that there are several users who agree that large non-free SVGs do not need to be reduced since they can be reduced or expanded to any size, including an acceptable non-free size. Are they right or not? Hop on Bananas (talk) 12:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, that was the same user who originally made the comment on the file's talk page. But still, are they right? Hop on Bananas (talk) 12:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- It has been previously established that if we can legally acquire the logo vector directly from the company that owns the logo (off their website, off a PDF document they have , etc.), that that is an acceptable non-free, and because vectors are resolution-less , it is difficult to apply 3b to them. What we don't allow is the recreation as a vector of a non-free logo (in other words, no user-created non-free SVGs are allowed), and of course, if the only version available are raster images, these have to meet #3b. --MASEM (t) 15:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Now, I've always assumed that the ban on user generated SVG versions is because they have too many copyrights attached to them, making them violations of the WP:FREER/NFCC#1 principle ("When using non-free media, the ones with the least restrictive copyright terms should be preferred").Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- There is that too, though arguably if the user recreates the non-free logo and then says "my SVG code is CC-BY", that's an "equivalent" free-ness as if the image is directly provided by the company that owns the logo (which covers both the graphical representation and the SVG for the most part). The main reason to avoid user-recreated non-frees is that they may not always be accurate at the small detail level, which can mis-represent the entity. It avoids derivative work issues related to that. --MASEM (t) 16:01, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Now, I've always assumed that the ban on user generated SVG versions is because they have too many copyrights attached to them, making them violations of the WP:FREER/NFCC#1 principle ("When using non-free media, the ones with the least restrictive copyright terms should be preferred").Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- It has been previously established that if we can legally acquire the logo vector directly from the company that owns the logo (off their website, off a PDF document they have , etc.), that that is an acceptable non-free, and because vectors are resolution-less , it is difficult to apply 3b to them. What we don't allow is the recreation as a vector of a non-free logo (in other words, no user-created non-free SVGs are allowed), and of course, if the only version available are raster images, these have to meet #3b. --MASEM (t) 15:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
While I didn't know why we didn't allow user-created SVG non-free logos before reading those comments, this discussion is about WP:NFCC#3. Hop on Bananas (talk) 22:17, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Is there a way to formulate a "minimal usage" standard for vectorized images? For regular images low size and low resolution are the definition of "minimal usage", but if vectors don't play by the same rule we need a vector-appropriate standard.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)