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	This article is becoming a mess, because without a consensus on which version of the article to use from the edit history, all sorts of things are going to get fouled up. For example, contains a heap of bare references. Let's have some consistency here.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)		This article is becoming a mess, because without a consensus on which version of the article to use from the edit history, all sorts of things are going to get fouled up. For example, contains a heap of bare references. Let's have some consistency here.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
	:That version is the version that existed before an IP editor from ] without a consensus. As instructed by ], ''"If your merger is reverted, it's controversial and you need to discuss it."'' The content should not be reinserted again unless there is a clear consensus for it. Both articles have been tagged with for a merge proposal so I suggest pursuing the course of action as laid out by the merger guidelines i.e. propose the merge, discuss it, determine what the consensus it, then undertake the necessary steps to merge if that is the outcome. Until the outcome is known it is probably best to continue developing the original version of the article. ] (]) 07:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)		:That version is the version that existed before an IP editor from ] without a consensus. As instructed by ], ''"If your merger is reverted, it's controversial and you need to discuss it."'' The content should not be reinserted again unless there is a clear consensus for it. Both articles have been tagged with for a merge proposal so I suggest pursuing the course of action as laid out by the merger guidelines i.e. propose the merge, discuss it, determine what the consensus it, then undertake the necessary steps to merge if that is the outcome. Until the outcome is known it is probably best to continue developing the original version of the article. ] (]) 07:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
			::This article is now in limbo, because it is unclear what form it should take. I am reluctant to make any major edits to it, as they could be swept away by various theories about what the article should look like.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 08:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Article needs cleanup

This article is pretty messy at the moment. The merge was rather unprecedented. Any thoughts? JhonsJoe (talk) 01:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a source for the computer-generated image? Rothorpe (talk) 02:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

It appears to be ABC News. But it is public domain nevertheless. JhonsJoe (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Images of Steven Sotloff

Images of Steven Sotloff has been nominated for deletion for the last 9 days. You can join in the deletion discussion here.~Technophant (talk) 02:36, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Questions on Notability

I understand that the two WP:RS upon which notability has been based to justify the creation of this article as The Beatles (terrorist cell) are and .

I also understand that the two sources simply say:

"The three UK-born militants were referred to as "the Beatles" by fellow hostages because of their nationality, the former captive added."

"Hostages of three ISIS British-accented militants came to call the trio 'The Beatles'"

So, is my understanding correct that there is no evidence that the group has ever called themselves "The Beatles"? Also, is my understanding correct that only a (very) small number of hostages "decided" to call them The Beatles, just because of their nationality and/or because they had British accents?

Also, I have seen ample of evidence that Jihadi John is notable and agree with the creation of his article. But, how are Jihadi George and Jihadi Ringo notable? Worldedixor (talk) 06:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Questions on using the adjective terrorist in the article

We've had extensive discussions on whether it is appropriate to use the adjective terrorist.

We need to protect the Misplaced Pages:Five pillars on which this project was founded. We strive to maintain a WP:NPOV. Terrorist isn't neutral terminology.

So, assuming The Beatles are notable, and I have not seen evidence yet, who designated this group as "terrorist". If there is a WP:RS can prove that a certain body has designated the group as terrorist, shouldn't we say "so and so designated the group as a terrorist"? Worldedixor (talk) 06:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Another fine mess...

This article is becoming a mess, because without a consensus on which version of the article to use from the edit history, all sorts of things are going to get fouled up. For example, this version contains a heap of bare references. Let's have some consistency here.--♦IanMacM♦ 07:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

That version is the version that existed before an IP editor merged content from Jihadi John without a consensus. As instructed by Misplaced Pages:Merging, "If your merger is reverted, it's controversial and you need to discuss it." The content should not be reinserted again unless there is a clear consensus for it. Both articles have been tagged with for a merge proposal so I suggest pursuing the course of action as laid out by the merger guidelines i.e. propose the merge, discuss it, determine what the consensus it, then undertake the necessary steps to merge if that is the outcome. Until the outcome is known it is probably best to continue developing the original version of the article. Betty Logan (talk) 07:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

This article is now in limbo, because it is unclear what form it should take. I am reluctant to make any major edits to it, as they could be swept away by various theories about what the article should look like.--♦IanMacM♦ 08:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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