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**The other, simpler one that I thought of would be to ban him from everything except the main namespace (articles, but not talk pages) and his own use and talk pages. ] 23:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC) **The other, simpler one that I thought of would be to ban him from everything except the main namespace (articles, but not talk pages) and his own use and talk pages. ] 23:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
*I would prefer an extension of only one year. ] 00:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC) *I would prefer an extension of only one year. ] 00:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
**I can live with that (duly adjusted). ] 16:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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*Do I get an opportunity to argue in my defense? Let's consider a few things: *Do I get an opportunity to argue in my defense? Let's consider a few things:
*#Ashlee articles&mdash;exactly what am I doing there that the ArbCom considers so terrible? I mean, actually look at the articles and their histories and tell me. There's a couple of reverts, but I wasn't the only one reverting, and the situation seems to have settled down now into a compromise, at least a ''de facto'' one. Also, there was far more discussion going on than there was reverting&mdash;in fact, if you just ''look'' at the histories, you'll see there was hardly any reverting at all. There was no "revert war" in any meaningful sense&mdash;the only thing close to one happened on an article about a ''Jessica'' Simpson song, but again in that case, too, the situation seems to have settled down into a ''de facto'' compromise. To sanction someone for this is utterly, entirely absurd. Not only was the whole situation a pretty minor one (not even close to the explosion of conflict the articles saw 18 months ago), it seems to have settled down anyway, and I wasn't even the one with the aggressive stance&mdash;I was taking the defensive stance. *#Ashlee articles&mdash;exactly what am I doing there that the ArbCom considers so terrible? I mean, actually look at the articles and their histories and tell me. There's a couple of reverts, but I wasn't the only one reverting, and the situation seems to have settled down now into a compromise, at least a ''de facto'' one. Also, there was far more discussion going on than there was reverting&mdash;in fact, if you just ''look'' at the histories, you'll see there was hardly any reverting at all. There was no "revert war" in any meaningful sense&mdash;the only thing close to one happened on an article about a ''Jessica'' Simpson song, but again in that case, too, the situation seems to have settled down into a ''de facto'' compromise. To sanction someone for this is utterly, entirely absurd. Not only was the whole situation a pretty minor one (not even close to the explosion of conflict the articles saw 18 months ago), it seems to have settled down anyway, and I wasn't even the one with the aggressive stance&mdash;I was taking the defensive stance.
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*I personally feel the above points are pretty important. ] 04:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC) *I personally feel the above points are pretty important. ] 04:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it is fair to say you have exhausted the committee's patience. I'm going to respond, very briefly, to some of the points you raise. Point 1 - Despite your attempt to spin it otherwise, you are doing the exact same thing that led to the first two Everyking arbitration cases, and as I just said, our patience with you has run out. Point 2 - As I said to you on my talk page just a few days ago, that exception was *not* created to allow you to move your harassment from the ANI to individual users' talk pages. Point 3 - I drive to work every day and avoid the temptation to run over those skateboarders who are always on Delaware Avenue. If tomorrow I were to run them over, am I to tell the judge to consider all the times I went to work and didn't run the over? Ha, no. Point 4 - Wikilawyering; our clarification applies to the series of cases, not any one in particular. Point 5 - No opposing party is necessary. Point 6 - . ] 16:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


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Involved parties

An edit war was settled by adopting neutral, balanced language for the 'Bibb Graves' entry on the 'Bob Jones University' page. John Foxe began a new edit war by overwriting the compromise language and refusing to negotiate a neutral, balanced settlement in good faith. (He will argue, but he will not negotiate. For this reason, I believe mediation will be a waste of everyone's time.)


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http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bob_Jones_University#Arbitration_Requested

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

John Foxe and I have hashed this out at nauseating length on the Bob Jones Univeristy 'talk' page. (Please see.) The upshot is that John Foxe will argue, but he will not negotiate. He insists upon controlling the content, wording, and format of the 'Bibb Graves' entry. When one party is intractable, mediation is a waste of time. I believe arbitration is the only solution.

Statement by party 1

As the result of a previous edit war, the 'Bibb Graves' entry on the 'Bob Jones University' page was rewritten in compromise language that achieved neutrality and balance. For awhile it kept the peace.

Recently John Foxe broke the peace by overwriting the previously agreed upon compromise entry for 'Bibb Graves'.

John Foxe and I attempted at length to self-mediate on the 'talk' page. Or I did. He would not agree to a settlement on any terms except his total control of the content, format, and wording of the Bibb Graves entry. In short, he wants to rewrite the entry to his satisfaction and everyone else had better get on board.

I agreed to accept John Foxe's research to the effect that Graves was an 'Exalted Cyclops' (local leader) in the KKK and not the 'Grand Dragon' (statewide leader). He has reference books pegging Graves as 'Exalted Cyclops.' I have websites pegging him as 'Grand Dragon.' It seemed reasonable -- though certainly not conclusive -- for me to defer to his sources. It was my understanding that this was the only issue in dispute and with this out of the way, we could have peace. Wrong!

I told him that I would defer to his research, as he demanded, provided that he must allow the remainder of that entry -- i.e., the part NOT in dispute -- to revert back to the neutral compromise language. (Note: He has a habit of calling it "MY" language -- it's not mine...it's the neutral compromise language that kept the peace prior to his edit war.)

He refuses any settlement that does not give him total control of the content, format, and wording of the 'Bibb Graves' entry.

Purely as a means of pre-emptive self-defense, I must point out that he has been known to misrepresent my position. Such as when he refers to the compromise language that kept the peace as "MY" language, which he says I'm selfishly trying to impose on everyone else. There's only one of us demanding to control content, format, and wording to the exclusion of anyone else's input. Three guesses which one.

>>>>>ADDENDUM<<<<<<

Here is the compromise language that John Foxe overwrote. I have no problem in changing Grand Dragon to Exalted Cyclops based on his research:

  • Bibb Graves, Grand Dragon of the Alabama Ku Klux Klan and two-term governor of Alabama (1927-31, 1935-39). Graves was a graduate of the University of Alabama and Yale Law School. He earned a reputation as a reformer who improved public education in Alabama. Graves served as a member of the board of trustees of Bob Jones College, and a dormitory is named in his honor.

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User:Chiang Kai-shek

Involved parties

Chiang Kai-shek has made tendentious edits on portals and articles related to Taiwan and the Republic of China, engaged in personal attacks, failed to assume good faith, and lied to further his agenda. His username also violates Misplaced Pages policy.
Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Chiang Kai-shek
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
Mediation attempt
Portal talk:Taiwan

Statement by Ideogram (talk · contribs)

Chiang Kai-shek initiated a move war trying to rename Portal:Taiwan to Portal:Republic of China. The page was move-protected forcing him to discuss on the talk page. Despite the efforts of three mediators the issue was not resolved. A straw poll showed a total of ten votes in favor of the name Portal:Taiwan with only Chiang Kai-shek opposed.
Chiang Kai-shek has also edited Republic of China, Portal:Taiwan/Related portals, Portal:China/Subportals, Portal:China/Intro, and Jincheng advancing his Pro-Republic of China agenda. He has made personal attacks calling me a "Communist" and most recently leaving this message on my talk page.
He has consistently refused to assume good faith about his opponents, insisting that User:Nrtm81 has a pro-independence agenda despite all assurances to the contrary.
Recently he blatantly lied in an attempt to get the move protection lifted.
Ideogram 06:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
After filing this RFAR I received this message as well as this vandalization of my user page. --Ideogram 03:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by party 2

Do I care about this RFC filed against me by conspirator Ideogram. He has lied about many things in the above post. And it was a misunderstanding as Nrtm81 well knows. Ideogram has been begging Nrtm81 to file a RFC to make me "go away," but so far Nrtm81 has resisted. I don't care what Ideogram does. He lies and fabricates things to suit himself. Whatever. Also note that Ideogram called me insane on his own talk page. What a sore hypocrite and loser. -Chiang Kai-shek 18:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Nrtm81 (talk · contribs)

I think User:Chiang Kai-shek has crossed the line by directly insulting User:Ideogram on his own user talk page. It is inexcusable to call a person a "bitch" and to tell them to "go to hell". That is inappropriate behavior and violates WP:NPA. Chiang Kai-shek had been warned on several occassions to assume good faith and to refrain from making accusations against others. Unfortunately, it seems he has ignored such advice and resorted to personal attacks. — Nrtm81 09:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Edit: I think a lot of things that has happened has been due to misunderstandings. I don't believe people have bad intensions but things get ugly when we start making comments that are not constructive. Chiang Kai-shek has been pushed into a corner with regards to Portal:Taiwan. I can understand his good intentions but when there is a dispute regarding Misplaced Pages (in this case the portal name for Portal:Taiwan), we should confirm an agreement that the dispute has been resolved before moving on. — Nrtm81 09:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Improv

Regardless of the outcome of arbitration, I believe this username must be retired (renamed or abandoned for something new) because of violations of WP:NAME -- it's inappropriate (and in this case inflammatory) to have a username suggesting such a major (and controversial on the world scene) political figure like this. The choice of username should be considered as evidence of intent for this arbitration case, should it be accepted. --Improv 12:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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I recently encountered Ideogram while working on this RFM involving Parsssseltongue and WCityMike. I was orrosponding my intentions to mediate their case here and here, respectively. WCityMike quickly replied on the RFM page. However, Ideogram made a comment on Parsssseltongue's talk page that rather disturbed me, as well as the accompanying edit summary "→Mediation - not possible." This prompted my follow up comment to him, here. Just thought I'd mention it, as both of their conduct seems to be coming in to question. -^demon /11:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (1/0/0/0)

CoolKatt number 99999 (talk · contribs)

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Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • Rollosmokes is the initiating party
  • CFIF:
  • Crossmr:
  • Lambertman:
  • Kramden4700:
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
  • Request for Comment was opened on May 15, and has not yet been closed or ruled upon.
  • CoolKatt recieved a 24-hour block (July 11-12) for violating the Three-Revert Rule with WWOR-TV. He then attempted to circumvent his block but was stopped by an administrator. Upon returning from his block, he has resumed reverting WWOR-TV and has engaged in arrogant incivility.
  • CoolKatt has engaged in various instances of incivility, as well as unfounded claims of other violations, towards other users who challenge his point-of-view or makes changes made to articles he has edited. (eg. , , , , )
  • Mediation will be fruitless because, no matter what he says (eg. , , ) he has engaged in the same distruptive behavior over and over again. His attempt to ignore the block (eg. ) proves that he doesn't care about anyone else but himself. He must be reprimanded more severely.

Statement by Rollosmokes (talk · contribs)

I have been engaged in a dispute against CoolKatt for about two months. Those I listed as additional parties in this request, and a few others, are quite aware of what has transpired since then. He has engaged with myself in edit wars on WWOR-TV, WTNH, WCTX, WTXX, WVIT, WPHL-TV, KYW-TV, WCAU, WPSG, WLFL-TV, WTXF-TV, Westinghouse Broadcasting, and TVX Broadcast Group (among others), as he added irrelevant information or made unnecessary changes to these articles which, I though, constitued as being unencyclopedic, or simply of poor quality. I reverted his changes and, in most cases, explained why through either talk pages or the edit summary. But CoolKatt immediately reverted back to his versions and immediately accused me of committing vandalism and of claiming ownership of these articles. CoolKatt has also ignored requests from the Wikiproject Television Stations group to join a consensus on the inclusion of several out-of-market (foreign) television stations on templates {{Springfield MA TV}} and {{Susquehanna Valley TV}}, which he has repeatedly to his liking. I personally reverted both templates back several times, and he reverted each time, accusing me of WP:OWN and trying to make a point. He himself violates WP:OWN and WP:POINT when he adds tags such as "!-- Please do NOT remove the Hartford stations" in the Springfield template, or "!-- Do not remove the merge tag. Doing so is considered vandalism!", as he did during his effort to re-merge WGTW-TV and WKBS-TV (Philadelphia) after another user split the articles. CoolKatt has also accused myself and others of Wikistalking for constantly going over his work. But his beef with me has become more personal: he filed a RfC against me, which was deleted within 48 hours, and on July 1 he filed a Request for Investigation against me without my knowledge. Ironically, his most recent behavior has resulted in him being under investigaton for adding unsubstantiated information to television station articles. CoolKatt is arrogant, pompous, and believes that he is the end-all, be-all when it comes to opinions on articles he contributes to. He must be put in his place. Rollosmokes 18:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Kramden4700

I had the misfortune of opposing his needless propsed merger of WPVI-TV and after a bit of investigation noticed he had plans for splitting KYW-TV as well, something which also was not needed. I also opposed his proposed re-merger of WKBS-TV (Philadelphia) amd WGTW-TV. Apparently bringing this to the light day and opposing him had put me on his bad side. I tried to be civil, but he seemed to act as if he was not the problem, but those who oppose him were and that WP:OWN did not apply to him. He needs at minimum a time out or possibly some other further sanction if this is a continuing pattern of behaviour. Kramden4700 20:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Crossmr (talk · contribs)

Most of what I'll say here is a rehash of what I said on the RfC. I first encountered Coolkatt on an AfD. I wasn't even aware I had until after the AfD closed. I left an opinion but it wasn't on my watch list. Sometime after the closure of this AfD, I logged in to find a spurious accusation on my userpage that I was a sockpuppet of someone whom I didn't even know. This dif shows the sock puppet tag. The proper process wasn't followed and it was simply retaliation for "agreeing with nom" in the AfD, who interestingly wasn't even apostrophe. Going back to look at the AfD as I barely even remembered it, I found that Coolkatt had gone and accused everyone who called for delete a sockpuppet. He'd also left the same spurious sock puppet accusation on Opabinia's user page here . Both her and I spoke out about it on the administrators noticeboard, but no administrator bothered to get involved. Seen here in my archives he first claims that making numerous personal attacks on users is "the right thing to do" and then claims Apostrophe (whom I did not know) forced myself and others to recommend delete. He continues to say one thing and do another, claiming he'll behave then doing things like putting AfD tags on his RfC. Here he blame's his behaviour on everyone else and refuses to take responsibility for it. here I tried to reach out to him to give him some guidance but his immature behaviour continues unabated. --Crossmr 20:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by CFIF (talk · contribs)

CoolKatt, has at times, bordered on being paranoid and physcotic (seen here talking about himself in the third person), making false accusations and legal threats against members, along with making false claims and odd statements. He has a whole slew of subpages filled with unfactual and fantastic which do no good for the encyclopedia. He has also made demands and acting like he is in charge (which is sooo far from the truth) and assumes everyone "knows his contributions are useful". Everything else has been pretty much covered by Rollo and Crossmr. --CFIF (talk to me) 21:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by CoolKatt number 99999 (talk · contribs)

Pure, Wiki-stalking. I demand the slander against me stop. I am making many useful contributions, and this is the thanks I get? I demand this dispute end now. CoolKatt number 99999 22:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Lambertman (talk · contribs)

Most everything I've witnessed has already been discussed. I can only add this statement from Katt in which he says his speculation (as to the meaning of callsigns) should be taken as fact because it makes sense to him. Lambertman 23:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Amnewsboy (talk · contribs)

While not directly involved in this particular dispute, CoolKatt number 99999 has, on at least one occasion, been cited for adding unverified information to Misplaced Pages. A separate Request for Investigation was filed in regards to his additions to the page for the Arkansas Educational Television Network, and he was subsqeuently warned. In addition to the comment Lambertman pointed out, CoolKatt number 99999 also tried to justify that his call letter meanings were correct because "Maybe because those files were destroyed?", even though there are no sources to support that. I also question the validity of the user's sub-pages with "Alternate" histories for television stations (WDAF-TV , for example) - although said articles are clearly marked as fictional, they also show up in Google searches for the subjects. I have had only minimal personal contact with the user, but I will say that I find his editing methods questionable at best. Amnewsboy 04:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)

Ericsaindon2 (talk · contribs)

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • Ericsaindon2:
  • OC31113:
  • 69.232.62.33:
  • Coolcaesar is the initiating party
  • Will Beback:
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
  • RFC has been tried, more evidence available there
  • Ericsaindon2 has been warned that sockpuppeting is bad
  • Ericsaindon2 has been warned on many occasions by admins and users that he should cooperate with the consensus of the Misplaced Pages community and basic rules like 3RR

  • Ericsaindon2 has been warned several times that his image uploads should conform to copyright law
  • Mediation would be fruitless because after several days of discussions, and after every one of his points was refuted , Ericsaindon2 (through his sockpuppet 69.232.62.33) simply repeated all of them virtually unchanged instead of adjusting his argument, and then when that was pointed out , he fell back to name-calling .

Statement by Coolcaesar (talk · contribs)

User Ericsaindon2 has been engaged in continuous edit warring and repeated violations of 3RR on Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California since 5 April 2006 and possibly earlier. He has used at least known two sockpuppets, OC31113, and IP address 69.232.62.33. Anaheim Hills is merely a neighborhood of the city of Anaheim which lacks any kind of official legal recognition or defined boundaries. I and Will Beback have researched and explained this in exhaustive detail at Talk:Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California (see also the archives). Ericsaindon2 appears to have the primary objective of portraying Anaheim Hills as a city or city-like community on Misplaced Pages, in direct violation of all core Misplaced Pages policies: WP:V (he has no proof), WP:NOR (his view is original research not published elsewhere), and WP:NPOV (his position is a uniquely personal point of view that no one else endorses). Towards this end, his two secondary objectives are: (1) to add a infobox that resembles the standard city infobox; and (2) to move the article to Anaheim Hills, California. These issues have been carefully debated and the consensus of all editors involved with Southern California-related articles is contrary to his objectives. His actions have been reverted, he has been blocked, and the article has been protected several times (as indicated by its history and his block log). He has used sockpuppets to get around the blocks, in clear violation of Misplaced Pages policy. He also likes to upload images of questionable provenance in violation of copyright law. --Coolcaesar 00:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Ericsaindon2 (talk · contribs)

For the past three months, I have been tediously trying to serve justice to the Anaheim Hills page, and put it back to the location where it sat for three years before I began editing it. I have put a tedious amount of work into the page, and have based all of my statistics on Census™ neighborhood by neighborhood to determine an overall Census statistics for the community. Since I worked 6 hours on gathering this information for all the areas south of the 91 freeway, Will Beback and Coolcaesar have continuously tried to keep it off the page, even though I continue to provide sources through Census. The infobox has been totally modified to meet a community standard, deleting all the details that are only true for cities. It even includes the city it is part of in the infobox, and is titled Community of Anaheim Hills, California, with a map that shows Anaheim Hills within Anaheim. There is no way that you can mistake the community as a city, for it is referenced 3 times in the infobox alone, not to mention in the article several times.

Next, the naming issue. The page sat at Anaheim Hills, California for nearly 2 1/2 years before I edited it extensively. After I edited it, user:Mike Dillon moved it to Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California after no consensus or talk about this. I moved it back, and he seemed to back off, and said that it was typical, but he didnt mind the change, so he let me keep it at that location. Then, user:COolcaesar came along. He stated that the ONLY location for Anaheim Hills, California was using the {community, city, state}, and that EVERY page used this format, and there were no exceptions. Since then, they have yet to find any page that clearly states that Anaheim Hills, California has to be at the {community, city, state} format. Since then, I have had the brunt of retaliation from COolcaesar, and have heard no proof for the statements he made about the format. The only rule stated by Misplaced Pages is that you use the most common name known for the topic, and that would be either Anaheim Hills or Anaheim Hills, California; and by no means is Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California the most simplified version of the name. Plus, rules have it that you must also use the most common name, which in this case is Anaheim Hills, California. When referring to our president of the USA, you dont refer to him as George Walker Bush, his legally technical name, you refer to him as Geroge W. Bush, which is what the page is named. Or we dont use Magnoliophyta when referring to a flowering plant, because the common name is flowering plant, although the government states it in an official document as Magnoliophyta. Now, the word flowering plant is probably never referred to in the official governmental plan directory, but just because it isnt listed there doesnt mean that it doesnt exist, and it is referrred to as a flowering plant on the Misplaced Pages page. It is referenced at the most common name. Now, using all these lies that could not be backed up, a highly manipulated straw poll, which sold all this unreferenced information to the voters lead to a minor defeat on my naming setup, and it was all because of them stating how the name had to be {community, city, state}, and there were NO EXCEPTIONS. Yet, they found no answer when I found hundreds of communities that didnt follow that setup (listed below), it was after the straw poll closed (which was closed convinently when they finally had the majority of the votes).

La Jolla, Boulevard, Campo, Cuyamaca, Dulzura, Santa Ysabel, Midway City, Ballston, Virginia, Clarendon, Virginia, Courthouse, Virginia, Fairlington, Virginia, Shirlington, Virginia, Virginia Square, Virginia, Oakhurst, Georgia, Downtown Berkeley, California, East Boston, Massachusetts, Charlestown, Massachusetts, Dorchester, Massachusetts, Hyde Park, Massachusetts, Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, Mandela, Massachusetts, Mattapan, Massachusetts, Readville, Massachusetts, South Boston, Massachusetts, West Roxbury, Massachusetts, California, Ohio, Bond Hill, Ohio, Clifton Heights, Ohio, Beedles Station, Ohio, Bidwell, Ohio, Blue Ball, Ohio, Evanston, Ohio, Fort Ancient, Ohio, Greentree Corner, Ohio, Level, Ohio, Middletown Junction, Ohio, New Burlington, Ohio, Rinard Mills, Ohio, Pleasant Grove, Texas, Downtown Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Hawaii Kai, Hawaii, He'eia, Hawaii, Kailua, Hawaii, Kapolei, Hawaii, Mililani, Hawai'i, North Ko'olaupoko, Hawai'i, Salt Lake, Hawaii, Waimanalo Beach, Hawaii, Waipio, Hawaii, Ashville, Kentucky, Avoca, Kentucky, Ballardsville, Kentucky, Beckley, Kentucky, Beechland Beach, Kentucky, Berrytown, Kentucky, Bethany, Kentucky, Boston, Kentucky, Clark Station, Kentucky, Eastwood, Kentucky, English Station, Kentucky, Fairmount, Kentucky, Fisherville, Kentucky, Freys Hill, Kentucky, Greenwood, Kentucky, Griffytown, Kentucky, Harrods Creek, Kentucky, Hopewell, Kentucky, Hunters Trace, Kentucky, Johnsontown, Kentucky, Juniper Beach, Kentucky, Knopp, Kentucky, Kosmosdale, Kentucky, Lake Dreamland, Kentucky, Lake Louisvilla, Kentucky, Lakeland, Kentucky, Long Run, Kentucky, Longview, Kentucky, Meadowlawn, Kentucky, Medora, Kentucky, O'Bannon, Kentucky, Orell, Kentucky, Parkwood, Kentucky, Penile, Kentucky, Petersburg, Kentucky, Plainview, Kentucky, Prairie Village, Kentucky, Riverside Gardens, Kentucky, Routt, Kentucky, Rubbertown, Kentucky, Seatonville, Kentucky, Smyrna, Kentucky, South Park, Kentucky, Springdale, Kentucky, Sylvania, Kentucky, Thixton, Kentucky, Transylvania Beach, Kentucky, Tucker Station, Kentucky, Valley Downs, Kentucky, Valley Gardens, Kentucky, Valley Village, Kentucky, Waverly Hills, Kentucky, Whitner, Kentucky, Worthington (Jefferson), Kentucky, Downtown Memphis, Tennessee, Bay View, Wisconsin, Granville, Wisconsin, Milwaukee (town), Wisconsin, Algiers, Louisiana, Carrollton, Louisiana, Little Germany, New York, Downtown Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Manchester, Virginia, Mission Valley, California, East Syracuse, New York, Fayetteville, New York, Solvay, New York, Spenard, Alaska, Eagle River, Alaska, Eklutna, Alaska, Auburn, Rhode Island, New Tampa, Florida, West Tampa, Florida, Pinecraft, Florida

As far as the sockpuppets, I have none. I use my IP number before I log in sometimes to Misplaced Pages. But I have no sockpuppets. The users that claim I have sockpuppets only feel that because they think that everyone who agrees with me must be a sockpuppet, which is purely false. Many times in the past, many of these users that they claimed as my sockpuppets, Will Beback has blocked them when I break a rule, and I get blocked when they break a rule. So, wheter were guilty or not, we are continuously all blocked if one of us does something wrong, which is totally showing a lack of proof. --Ericsaindon2 16:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
And referring to the behavior of the admin and his little friend, Coolcaesar. Over the past few weeks, Coolcaesar has been contributing to this dispute equally as I have. The difference is that he has hired this guard to protect him, Will Beback. Since this abusive relationship began, every action I make is scrutenized and reported to Coolcaesar to give him information from Will Beback, the admin. I, and all my supporters are allowed to make a combined 3rr's a day, yet each of them (Coolcaesars supporters have been given 3rr's each which is what the rule states). I can make 1 edit in 24 hours, but if someone else who supports me (even in one instance a bot made a revert in my favor) I get blocked. I dont know what the relationship between the two is, but Will Beback has coached him on his talk page about how to increase this nonexistent problem, and its believability from this honorable commitee. There was no problem until Coolcaesar created it, because I have off and on edited the page for 6 months with no problem until Coolcaesar showed up. Even to this moment, this abusive admin still has blocked my brother, and the block that was suppose to be 24 hours for one of our "combined 3rr's" has gone on for 9 days now, so he has been unable to comment here, but he is angry at them too. I understand the arguing of people when disagreeing, and this step is totally unnecessary. I dont see how two people who were equally involved in a dispute can only punish one, just because another has enlisted an admin who acts as his attorney, and information source. Its downright wrong. You can clearly see how the admin has used his abusive powers on the Anaheim Hills talk page, and being subjective to his punishments. He punishes everyone on the talk page who makes a rude comment to another editor, (which in total is about 12 or 13 instances) yet has never told the very bold Coolcaesar to keep his comments friendly. There are many examples of this subjective punishment on the talk page. If this goes to arbitration (which I hope it does not) I will not sit there and let these admins harass and abuse other editors if it is the last thing I do on Misplaced Pages. I hope that you will realize that Coolcaesar and I deserve the same punishment, if any at all for content dispute (which could be cured with mediation), and that Will Beback will learn that his adminship is not to be abused. --Ericsaindon2 07:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Will Beback (talk · contribs)

Ericsaindon2's entire three-month editing career has revolved around one topic: a district of Anaheim, California called Anaheim Hills. The district has no official existence, hasn't been recognized by any government agency, and at most is simply a neighborhood of a larger city. Despite this fact, ES has been using Misplaced Pages as a soapbox to promote Anaheim Hills as a separate place. He hasn't promoted an independence movement, which might be at least considered a POV, but instead has sought to declare Anaheim Hills as a city by editorial fiat. He apparently created a "seal of the city of Anaheim Hills", drew (or copied) maps of the area, derived demographic data through calculations, added the article to lists of cities, and then edit-warred over the inclusions of the original research. During these content disputes ES has repeatedly ignored the consensus of other editors (including misusing straw polls), has used sock puppets, has violated the 3RR (and NOR, V, etc.), has expressed ownership of the article, and has disrupted the project to illustrate a point. (These complaints are documented in the RfC).

The RfC on ES, filed June 5, was certified by six users, and endorsed by four more, collectively some of the most engaged editors on the general topic of Southern California places. ES's own account was endorsed only by his sockpuppets. Since the RfC he has continued in the same behaviors. He has again been blocked for violating 3RR , disrupted the project to illustrate points , used an apparent sock/meat puppet , engaged in original research , made fraudulent references to Anaheim Hills as a city , and made personal attacks on editors . There are more examples that we can documented if the arbitration request is accepted.

I urge the ArbCom to take this case. This RfAr is about Ericsaindon2's behavior, not the legal status of a neighborhood, naming conventions, or infoboxes, about which reasonable editors can disagree. ES continues to disrupt the project in order to advance his pet cause. Since the problem is entirely concerned with the one topic (albeit bleeding over into a number of similar articles in Orange County), a subject ban could be an appropriate remedy. -Will Beback 09:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

A minor, but telling, point is that ES places fraudulent information on his user page. The old version, , claimed that he had been Awarded Ultimate Misplaced Pages Editor for the month of December 2005, though he has not been editing that long and there is no such prize. His current page, , claims that he is an admin and has made over 9000 edits, neither of which are true. -Will Beback 06:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by OC31113 (talk · contribs)

Over the past two weeks, as I start fresh on a new account as for I moved from the east coast to Orange County, I have involved myself in local pages under a new screenname while still editing under my previous screenname in New York on a continuous basis. I am not a sockpuppet of user:ericsaindon2, and far from it. I agree with him at times, and others I dont, but that does not justify giving me punishment every time he does something to irritate the admins, and visa versa.

Well, on to the topic at hand. I have become involved in the page after user:ericsaindon2 found me to be knowledgable, and asked if I could assist, so I stepped in. I was shocked at the deceit that the admins and Coolcaesar fed to the voters during the straw polls about the policy that the only setup possible for a community was community, city, state. This was totally false, yet the minority at the time (being Eric, the correct party in the matter) was outweighed by the manipulated voters and the deceptful admins. I agree with Eric's arguement that Anaheim Hills or Anaheim Hills, California is the most simple name in referencing the page, as well as the most common, the most basic naming procedure. The infobox was a little weird to begin with, but after a while it grew on me. I understood why he put it there, and after explaining that he performed a census by census tract evaluation of Anaheim Hills, he compressed the valid information into an infobox that was customized just for Anaheim Hills. It states the City it is part of, shows where Anaheim Hills is located within Anaheim, and is titled Community of Anaheim Hills. So, I feel that all of those points of reference will lead to no confusion. He explained how he did this, and why he did this, yet was attacked by Coolcaesar while Will Beback acted as his patrol officer waiting for me or him to break a rule so that we could be blocked, and temporarily silenced. (Even if I made 2 reverts and Ericsaindon2 made 1 in 24 hours on the page, we were suspended for 3rr, even though all WIll did was add the two totals up-which was totally unfair)
And about those copywrighted images. You know, and I know it takes a while to learn Misplaced Pages, and all of those images were done within days of the creation of his account. The images I downloaded my first week were copywrighted, and I didnt know how that worked, but I fixed them. As I am aware of, Eric has fixed most of them, and allowed others to just be deleted, and since he was probably learning the way around Misplaced Pages, I dont see how this could be held against him. If you look at the images he has "recently" uploaded, which is about 50 images, they all had proper tagging, and if they didnt, he fixed it at the admins request.
I urge you not to take the case because its a conflict of ideas, and Eric is trying to prove a well based point, and like other users, he refuses to be manipulated by unture statements that swayed popular opinion, like the admins and involved parties did in this case.
Eric is also very beneficial to other pages, having added 24 infoboxes to cities in Orange County that lacked them previously, and working on the template:Orange County, California to add communities, and reword it. He is an essential party in the Orange County community and city articles. The statement Will Beback made about him making controversial and self promoting edits to other community pages is totally false. I found one instance where he did that on the Anaheim Hills page 5 months ago, and he reverted it due to the opposition. I only see positive change on all the Orange County community and city pages, and positive additions, and none of those edits have created controversy, and all of them were legitamate in those respective articles. This "pet cause" expained by Will Beback is nothing but with the goal to improve the project, and has no basis. Since he has not made any negative edits to the Orange County Community or City articles, the only "pet cause" he could have is positive. A subject ban would be davastating, for Eric has edited all Orange COunty neighborhood articles and cities in good faith, and has done it more extensively than anyone I have yet to see. I do think that the statement "he has an ultimate plot to destroy the community and city articles" is totally nonfactual and unable to be proved, and if that is his goal, he sure is making it difficult for himself with all these constructive edits he has made to these articles.
All this is is a disagreement between two parties who have 2 different views about the ways on the page. It seems to be a debate between Misplaced Pages Policy (Ericsaindon2) vs. Legal References (COolcaesar). A mediator might be more appropriate than arbitration, because both Ericsaindon2 and Coolcaesar were equally involved in the childish arguement. It would be unfair to suspend him (or not) without suspending the instigator of the problem (the creator of the issue that was not an issue before he brought it up), Coolcaesar. --OC31113 08:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (1/0/0/0)

General Tojo (talk · contribs)

Involved parties


Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • PaulWicks is applicant
  • General Tojo / Diamond Plus
  • Andrew 73
  • Jfdwolff
  • Netsnipe
  • ProfSnow
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
  • Avoidance
  • Talk to the other parties involved
  • Informal mediation
  • Discuss with third parties
  • Blocked indefinitely
  • Identified as a long term abuser

Statement by PaulWicks (talk · contribs)

It's time to act in force against Keith Bridgeman, AKA General Tojo and his many incarnations, for the disruption and unpleasantness he has wrought upon Misplaced Pages and its good-faith contributors.

  • Unacceptable usernames , ,
  • Violating 3RR
  • Making threats
  • Making personal attacks , ,
  • Creating sockpuppets in order to support his beliefs
  • Vandalising user's talkpages ,

I am requesting he be banned from editing anything to do with Parkinson's disease. --PaulWicks 16:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Profsnow (talk · contribs)

Bridgeman considers himself to be the ultimate expert on Parkinson's Disease, and does not tolerate any contributions not in accord with his views. His attitude is a difficult one on a collaborative project such as this, and becomes impossible when he resorts to vandalism, personal attacks, and threats. --Dan 17:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

He just spent the morning vandalizing my user page and tracking around to my contributions elsewhere, which he removed. There were also racist comments, viz: "comfort woman" left in my user and talk pages. My mother-in-law was a high school teacher in Korea during the Japanese occupation. She very bravely stood up to her principal and refused to teach in Japanese language, for which she was threatened with being sent off to be a "comfort woman". Not long after she had to flee, and went far north to teach before returning back to her home town later on. I find Bridgman's use of the term as a pejorative epithet particularly offensive. --Dan 14:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

And he's going around vandalizing again - Prof Johnson is the current incarnation, abd he used Dan Strickland (my name) earlier. I'm afraid I'll hit 3RR if he doesn't stop. He's vandalizing the Queen Min talk page, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the current controversy and whose editors will likely be befuddled by this. --Dan 17:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's not forget his other agenda, besides vindictiveness: ] --Dan 18:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Andrew73 (talk · contribs)

This user is a sort of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. While this user has been at times civil and has made useful edits, the overarching theme of his and his sockpuppet's contributions have not been so positive in the past, including

  • a multitude of off-color commentaries on user pages, e.g. "this user is a complete arsehole" , ,
  • posting of personal information (edits which have been deleted)
  • use of inappropriate userids
  • too many to count sock puppets Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_General_Tojo
  • personal attacks/veiled threats
  • flagrant disrespect of the Misplaced Pages editing process

I'm not sanguine that this user has the ability or willingness to consistently behave appropriately in the future. Andrew73 17:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Jfdwolff (talk · contribs)

I was the admin who initially reported this user's appaling behaviour on WP:ANI, and see a long record of sockpuppetry, serial abusive comments aimed at PaulWicks, malicious posting of Andrew73's personal information, being simply annoying (all his talkpage edits are in bold, and he refuses to stop as this is a matter of taste only). This is a troll whose potential knowledge on one medical conditions is vastly outweighed by his utter lack of collaborative skills.

I made a brief attempt at rehabilitating him in the persona of DiamondPlus (talk · contribs), his nth sockpuppet he used to evade bans (apart from rotating ISPs). It was not a few days before he resumed his practice of reverting on the basis of poor logic simply because his judgement had been questioned (e.g. the list of conditions that can be mistaken for Parkinson's disease, which is unsupported by medical science unless Tojo's opinion is science).

Although we should not take offsite behaviour into account, it bears noting that this particular person has trolled several fora, and it is my view that a hard ban is unavoidable. JFW | T@lk 22:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by DiamondPlus (talk · contribs)

It is my opinion that this user is a serial libeller, the AntiChrist, a war criminal, severely insane, a confirmed cannibal, and above all Bulgarian. This is not an appropriate site for Bulgarians and for that reason alone he should not be allowed to add to Misplaced Pages. Therefore, consistent with my views, I reject. --DiamondPlus 19:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Chris 73 (talk · contribs)

GT is a very agressive editor, quickly reverting to vandalism , ridiculing and threatening, , lying, and trolling, also being completely resistant to other peoples views and suggestions (e.g. Talk:Parkinson's disease). Numerous sockpuppets and IP's were used to evade blocks and to vandalize and stalk pages. He was given a second chance as DiamondPlus (talk · contribs), but continued his antisocial behavior until he got blocked again. I believe that his bad behavior vastly outweighs any valuable contribution. I personally blocked dozends of his sockpuppets, and received lots of vandalismin return. -- Chris 73 | Talk 22:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Jaranda (talk · contribs)

I first encountered Tojo in the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki page where he was known as Parkinsons and was viviously revert warning and using socks for days back in March. After becoming inactive for several months, he started to do revert warning in the Parkinson disease page, using socks from the same 88 IP. Proof . I blocked alot of his socks and semi-protected the page, but he kept on creating more socks even vandalising my userpage quite a few times. The user had a long history of revert warning and sockpupperty for a while now and should be sent to arb com. Thanks Jaranda 05:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Netsnipe (talk · contribs)

What exactly is there to arbitrate? Is there a point even raising the issue of General Tojo with the Arbitration Committee? I ask this because General Tojo has demonstrated time and time again that he does not respect the policies of Misplaced Pages, so what makes anyone here think that he will respect the authority or process of Arbitration either? As my report to the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents has already demonstrated, General Tojo is the most brazen sock puppeteers (up to ~120 accounts) and hostile editors I have ever seen on Misplaced Pages. Any further attempts at reconciliating with him would be a waste of time as Tojo treats Misplaced Pages as a game where he is always right and he scorns anyone with real academic credentials. There is simply no reasoning with him anymore. The only action left to Misplaced Pages is ban his entire netblock from editing and/or force his ISP's hand. As long as we don't have any effective measures against General Tojo he will continue to treat this entire community with contempt and to act as if all Parkinson's Disease related articles are his own. --  Netsnipe    07:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree completely. Furthermore, he's certainly doing his product no good, something they might wish to hear. --Dan 14:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment by PaulWicks, uninvolved party

Is arbitration really necessary for someone who has been permabanned if that party is not appealing his/her ban? In addition, it has already been mentioned many times that GT's IP range is 88.104.0.0/13, so why would arbitration be needed for this range block? 17:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't you mean 88.106? Not sure if I understand. --PaulWicks 21:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I really mean 88.104.0.0/13 - search on Whois if you want more information. 22:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I don't really understand this range business. It might be useful to sign your comments please?--PaulWicks 07:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
That range contains 524,000 IP addresses assigned to Tojo's ISP, from 88.104.0.0. to 88.111.255.255. Thatcher131 13:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)

Requests for clarification

Requests for clarification from the Committee on matters related to the Arbitration process.

Everyking

Pursuant to discussion on the arbitration committee mailing list, Everyking has recently been causing more problems. Following our previous decision, he has instead begun harassing administrators on their talk pages. He has resumed editing Ashlee Simpson articles in the same fashion we previously sanctioned. Extraordinary Machine lodged a complaint on the ANI, and I recieved one in private from someone else (that person has refused to lodge one formally because he/she is fed up with EK from previous run-ins).

Per previous discussion, I'd like to propose the following remedies:

  1. Everyking is banned for two weeks for recent offenses
  2. Everyking's current prohibitions (his ban from editing the ANI, and from commenting on other admin's actions except for their talk pages, RFC, and RFA) - set to expire in November - are extended indefinitely.
  3. Everyking is placed on standard probation for all pop music articles - any admin may ban him from any/all of them for any misbehavior on his part
  4. Should EK harass other admins over their non-editorial actions, any admin may block him for up to two weeks per incident, escalating to one year per incident after the fifth one. Raul654 22:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Do I get an opportunity to argue in my defense? Let's consider a few things:
    1. Ashlee articles—exactly what am I doing there that the ArbCom considers so terrible? I mean, actually look at the articles and their histories and tell me. There's a couple of reverts, but I wasn't the only one reverting, and the situation seems to have settled down now into a compromise, at least a de facto one. Also, there was far more discussion going on than there was reverting—in fact, if you just look at the histories, you'll see there was hardly any reverting at all. There was no "revert war" in any meaningful sense—the only thing close to one happened on an article about a Jessica Simpson song, but again in that case, too, the situation seems to have settled down into a de facto compromise. To sanction someone for this is utterly, entirely absurd. Not only was the whole situation a pretty minor one (not even close to the explosion of conflict the articles saw 18 months ago), it seems to have settled down anyway, and I wasn't even the one with the aggressive stance—I was taking the defensive stance.
    2. Talk pages—the ArbCom ruling specifically granted me the right to discuss admin actions on the relevant admin talk pages. Am I now going to be punished for exercising that right? People would block me before and tell me to take it to the admin's talk page. So I do that, and this is what I get? Why was that exemption created to begin with, if I was just going to get attacked for making use of it? Not to mention there isn't much of this going on anyway. The last case was regarding EM threatening a user who was obviously acting in good faith, but was younger than most of us and was a little confused about how to do some technical things.
    3. No credit—where is the credit for actually following the ruling as it was spelled out for me? I have always strictly observed the AN/I prohibition. I haven't been blocked by anyone for any reason in several months. To hear Raul tell it, I've been constantly violating the ruling, which is the exact opposite of what I've actually been doing.
    4. Ruling consistency—Ashlee articles pertained to EK1; this is EK3. How can you fit anything pertaining to EK1 under a revision of EK3?
    5. The opposing party—Who is the opposing party here, anyway? It appears to be none other than the ArbCom itself—in that case, how can I possibly get a fair hearing from them? Or is it whoever sent that private complaint? Did that person actually want this taken to arbitration? Isn't it important, for reasons of transparent process, to have an accuser in public—not secretly in e-mail? Is there any precedent for that at all?
    6. Involved party?—hey, did anyone think to consult EM about this stuff that is apparently being done on his behalf? What does he think? Does he actually want me taken to arbitration? Previously he expressed a lot of reluctance to even take me to RfC, and that was at the peak of the conflict, some time ago.

I think it is fair to say you have exhausted the committee's patience. I'm going to respond, very briefly, to some of the points you raise. Point 1 - Despite your attempt to spin it otherwise, you are doing the exact same thing that led to the first two Everyking arbitration cases, and as I just said, our patience with you has run out. Point 2 - As I said to you on my talk page just a few days ago, that exception was *not* created to allow you to move your harassment from the ANI to individual users' talk pages. Point 3 - I drive to work every day and avoid the temptation to run over those skateboarders who are always on Delaware Avenue. If tomorrow I were to run them over, am I to tell the judge to consider all the times I went to work and didn't run the over? Ha, no. Point 4 - Wikilawyering; our clarification applies to the series of cases, not any one in particular. Point 5 - No opposing party is necessary. Point 6 - yes. Raul654 16:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Internal spamming/campaigning

There's an ongoing discussion at WP:SPAM about what constitutes acceptable talk page contact between users regarding discussions, votes, polls, etc. Prior rulings that have been pointed to are this prior ruling and this one. Could you offer any more specific information about what is and is not allowed/discouraged, for example: is it the use of mass userbox messaging that is disallowed (if it is), or is internal spamming/campaigning disallowed only if disruptive? Thanks. IronDuke 17:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

A general question

What powers does the Arbitration Committee have in respect of a dispute that does not exist? David | Talk 13:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me the appropriate response to this question could vary wildly depending on the context. Could you provide some? As it is, it sounds like some kind of set-up. -GTBacchus 20:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Let me be slightly more specific. Let us suppose that two users had a dispute, the dispute was referred to ArbCom, then the two users came to a full agreement on a settlement of the dispute of their own accord. Can the ArbCom 'resurrect' the dispute and continue the case, and if it does, between whom is it arbitrating? David | Talk 21:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
David, I would say it would depend upon all of the parties involved. If some sort of an agreement is reached between two parties in a given case that encompasses four parties then obvioulsy the arbitration case would proceed. Is this agreement between all involved parties? (→Netscott) 22:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
The most salient context is probably Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Irishpunktom/Proposed_decision, which directly affects Dbiv (talk • contribs) (David). --Christopher Thomas 06:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, yes, although there was a reason I asked the question in the abstract. David | Talk 08:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

What powers does the Arbitration Committee have in respect of a dispute that does not exist? David | Talk 13:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I would say we have the power to do what is necessary to prevent further disruption. What that is would depend on what the two parties had been doing and seem likely to continue to do. Fred Bauder 01:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Without unnecessary leading of the witness, if you were convinced that the parties had themselves done enough to prevent further disruption, then that would surely be that? David | Talk 08:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Please don't try to cross-examine the arbitrators. --Tony Sidaway 08:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
But your honour, this is a friendly witness - so I am engaging in examination, not cross-examination. David | Talk 08:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
It does seem rather silly, in my most humble of opinions. There was a conflict, David proposed a series of resolutions in respect of that conflict. I liked them and agreed to them. Conflict ended, no? Not all of it, there are some serious issues in respect of me for which I expect the appropriate processes, but, for the conflict with David, which is now over. --Irishpunktom\ 10:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Pedophilia userbox wheel war

I would like to know if Tony Sidaway's threats at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2006 July 8#Template:unblockabuse are valid per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war#SPUI, especially given the comments at . --SPUI (T - C) 17:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Highways

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Highways#Enforcement of moves without consensus states that "If any participant to this dispute moves a state highway page to their preferred convention before a formal policy has been reached, he or she may be blocked for a short time of up to a week for repeated offenses." Say Route 69 is renumbered to Route 31. (This type of whole-route renumbering occurs occasionally.) Is this measure intended to make the obvious move blockable? Or should "from another convention" be added after "to their preferred convention"?

I also note that it specifically mentions state highways. Is Canada fair game, as long as I'm not disruptive? --SPUI (T - C) 19:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Also I'd like to know what the duration of the probation is as no set limit was established in the Arbcom. Is this probation indefinite? Or can we appeal it after 3 months? --JohnnyBGood 20:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks like you are worrying over semantics here. Uncontroversial moves should not be contested, and won't get anybody in trouble. There is a difference from moving something to the correct name and moning something to the preferred convention. That doesn't mean anyone can move to their preferred convention and say it's okay because it's the real name, but Route 69 and Route 31 are not variations of eath other, whereas a move from Route 31 to State Route 31, or Route 31 (State), or whatever, would be a violation. Dmcdevit·t 18:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand the last sentence. If someone makes an article at simply "Route 31", which should obviously be a disambiguation page (and it is in this case), what should I do? --SPUI (T - C) 19:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the confusion is here, but I think maybe that it is that the part of the ruling you quote comes from the enforcement. Take a look at the remedy section where the controversial moves are prohibited (Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Highways#Controversial_moves): "Until a formal naming convention policy regarding state highways is reached, no page shall be moved from one controversial name to another". I think that is clear and answers your question. Dmcdevit·t 19:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
OK - so I can move Route 31 to Route 31 (State), as everyone agrees that Route 31 should be a disambiguation page, so its current location is not controversial? --SPUI (T - C) 20:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
If this is so, can someone please edit the enforcement to reflect this? --SPUI (T - C) 07:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
An appeal is likely to do little. --SPUI (T - C) 12:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Probation is indefinite. Fred Bauder 12:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Can it be appealled in the future or as SPUI says are we pretty much SOL? --JohnnyBGood 00:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
You can appeal whenever you want, but you will only be successful if you can demonstrate some new development that will make us change our minds. That may be a while from now. Dmcdevit·t 18:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Another question: where do I start on making a "formal policy"? I talked to a policy wonk and he confirmed that naming conventions are typically guidelines. --SPUI (T - C) 13:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Speaking purely for myself, I'd say that the Committee can only urge the community to seek a policy solution to the question of highway naming. The community may well have good reasons to reject this. In which case, you'd probably all better be extra careful about moves, and make sure you don't make any controversial name changes. --Tony Sidaway 10:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

AI

Last September, this user was banned indefinitely by the ArbCom for legal threats. He made one edit to his talk page in October, which was subsequently reverted. However, this past May, he has re-emerged, and now seems to be dominating his talk page. In addition, someone placed a one-year block on top of his indefinite block. Has he resolved his legal threats? If not, should his indefinite block stick and/or his talk page protected? Editor88 03:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

This is an enforcement issue. As a Misplaced Pages administrator I've blanked and protected his user talk page. He remains banned and should not edit. On this occasion I won't reset the ban but any socking will result in a reset. --Tony Sidaway 14:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

EffK

This past February, this user was banned one year by the ArbCom. His talk page was protected and then unprotected, and he has used it to engage in dialog with Musical Linguist and Str1977. Is that allowed? If not, should his talk page be reprotected? Editor88 03:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care if EffK continues to post on his talk page so long as he does not otherwise try to edit. If he becomes disruptive on his talk page, any admin may reprotect. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 21:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
According to the Misplaced Pages:Banning policy, if I understand it correctly, banned users are not allowed to edit at all and from any account, and all their edits may (should?) be reverted without discussion or analysis. But if it isn't hurting anyone, I don't see the point in enforcing this. --Ryan Delaney 13:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Dyslexic Agnostic

Is the ArbCom probation restricted to article/project pages, or does it extend to talk pages as well? Titoxd 05:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Any appropriate page at all, talk pages included. Dmcdevit·t 07:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

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