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:I agree with your assessment, and I agree that AE would be a good next place, but I'll defer to your judgment about how you want to go from here with regards to drafting your report to AE. — ''']''' (]) 04:46, 24 January 2015 (UTC) :I agree with your assessment, and I agree that AE would be a good next place, but I'll defer to your judgment about how you want to go from here with regards to drafting your report to AE. — ''']''' (]) 04:46, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
:: My stance is that those three edits are problematic enough. I made the mistake in bringing the unrelated non-incident to ANI. I won't put in the AE request - and my involvement would not be productive given unrelated ANI matter and that I presented evidence against Cwobeel which likely helped decide to issue the first warning. Cwobeel has claimed Huffington Post is a reliable source for BLP matters, but this IMDb thing is obvious and just combative - such edits are disruptive or indicate a lack of BLP competence. ] (]) 04:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC) :: My stance is that those three edits are problematic enough. I made the mistake in bringing the unrelated non-incident to ANI. I won't put in the AE request - and my involvement would not be productive given unrelated ANI matter and that I presented evidence against Cwobeel which likely helped decide to issue the first warning. Cwobeel has claimed Huffington Post is a reliable source for BLP matters, but this IMDb thing is obvious and just combative - such edits are disruptive or indicate a lack of BLP competence. ] (]) 04:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Agreed. Well, hopefully you see that not much except drama ever comes from ANI. AE is a better place because it's less Wild West with more defined rules. I hope you'll reconsider at some point regarding that idea. — ''']''' (]) 05:12, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Chris. Could you go to Ryan Martin's deletion page and vote or at least give your opinion? Thanks and God bless! Antonio Gatti Martin (loser talk) 02:20, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of The Honor of the Family

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Possible review of cloud article for B-class rating

I remain grateful to you for the help you gave me last Nov/Dec with the GA review of the Misplaced Pages article Cloud. However, it seems I couldn't get the job done fast enough to satisfy one senior editor who came on a few days ago, falsely claimed I had done no work on the article for 20 days or so, (I had taken a few days off from Christmas to New Years but resumed full-tilt by the time of his intervention) and unilaterally shut down the review. I would be the last to claim the article is yet ready for full GA status, but if the article has come as long a way as you assured me last month, I'm wondering if it can be considered for a B-rating? I've looked at quite a few B articles on Misplaced Pages and believe the cloud article has about reached that level. The editor who shut down the GA review left the cloud article as a C-level, but the hastiness of his actions leaves me thinking he acted in a somewhat prejudicial manner and never gave any consideration to the possibility of upgrading the article to a B. Do you think the article can be considered better than a C-grade yet? I don't want to waste my time applying for a B-level review if you don't think the article is yet good enough even for this more modest upgrade. However, I think I'll be more motivated to keep working on improving the article if I can apply at some point for a B-grade instead of trying to make the huge leap from a C-grade all the way to a GA. It would be very helpful if you could give the current article another look and offer me an update about the areas where it is still deficient. Many thanks! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 00:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

@ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31: it most likely would work as a B-class. The only real classes which matter are stub, GA and FA for most editors. It is a maintenance issue for Wikiprojects to try and have everything "current". Also, it is a somewhat arbitrary evaluation of a topic and page. I typically hit the ground running when producing content and run for a GA without worrying about updating classifications along the way - outside of "stub" because that causes category and other issues if I do not address it promptly. But to answer your question again - B works. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of American Thermos Bottle Company Laurel Hill Plant

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Nicoleta Luca Meitoiu

Hi Chris! I finally got the article and book covers (with ISBN) scanned in .pdf format. How can I send it to you, so that you can undelete the page? All the previous discussion in your archive 2013. I would appreciate your answer. Thanks,RodicaB (talk) 09:54, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I am not an admin so I cannot undelete things. I would just create the page again and reference the material. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:47, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Roger Mowry Tavern

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Emerson

Hi, Chris - It was good to see you at Emerson. The hive is angry and swarming over his gaffe. I noticed how active you've been in GA, etc. and that's exactly what WP needs - more editors like you who know policy, can write prose and source it properly, and knows what an encyclopedia is supposed to look like. I'm concerned WP's own open source editing can be destructive at times because it opens the door to anyone who holds a grudge, or advocates a cause, etc. Anyway - just wanted to drop by and say thanks! Atsme 23:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

@Atsme: That is why I avoid BLPs for the most part. As an editor we must consider the reader for all articles, but for BLPs we must go even further and consider the subject as if they are the reader. There is a high chance that said subjects do read what we write and a dedicated site to Misplaced Pages criticism is routinely pressing how broken the process currently is. BLP enforcement and procedures have strengthened, but maintenance and care of them are still open to those who want to push the ball around. Everyone has a "point of view", to say you don't implies that you are blindly constructing a page. Where I stand is different from most others, I don't even know Emerson or his work - so I believe that impartiality is something which I have. BLPs suffer from WP:DIRT accumulation and a clear sign is WP:CRITS. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground per WP:BATTLE and I don't want to entrench in "right or wrong" with editors who seek arguments, who have an agenda, or simply cannot figure out what policies actually mean. Anyone intent on Wikilawyering and splitting hairs over things like "Salon" articles for BLP criticism is not in the right place. Getting it right is what is most important, but those that disagree have yet to understand or embrace what Misplaced Pages strives to be. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I agree, and you can rest assured there are quite a few BLPs who read what we write. I'm trying to decide if I should reactivate my E&O policy I dropped last year when I semi-retired (writer/publisher/tv producer). I figured I'd fly low where the chances of needing it were slim to none. Have you read any of the WP litigation? I try not to get embroiled in the controversies, but it's hard to avoid with all the different POVs. WP has some brilliant editors, some who really shine writing code, or specialize in a particular area, etc. but may suck at writing. I also see how difficult it is for some to grasp the concept of "encyclopedic". I cut my teeth (literally) on Britannica back when salesmen sold them door to door. Anyway, I'm always open for collaboration if you ever need help. Atsme 00:38, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Litigation... I seem to remember some, but getting the identity would be hard and then making a case would be harder still. See, just like BLP has a Public Figure matter - so does many people who have an article. A defamatory claim or libelious act needs to be proven and rooted in some form and many "sourced" claims may be a tangled web. Most problems are handled through OTRS and in other channels. Suffice to say, many of the best editors do not deal with these issues unless it comes to their attention - running around trying to put out fires is not our jobs. We are volunteers, but not everyone has high standards or good motives. Some people think I am a bot, and an Italian writer thinks I am an administrator and scholar. Well... maybe the latter is true. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:50, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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re Possible AE matter

Given Cwobeel's attitude and disregard for WP:BLP, I wonder if these three edits to restore the Adam Sandler, Susan Sarandon and Nicolas Cage lists would be enough to show the user is not fit to edit BLPs. It is completely unacceptable to reference IMDb and the user was alerted to the sanctions already, but still saw fit to challenge it even after the BLPN discussion. The three diffs, , follow a discretionary sanction and warning for battleground behavior on BLPs. Your call, I already have him at ArbCom for something more complex and minor. This should be pretty clear cut in comparison. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment, and I agree that AE would be a good next place, but I'll defer to your judgment about how you want to go from here with regards to drafting your report to AE. — Cirt (talk) 04:46, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
My stance is that those three edits are problematic enough. I made the mistake in bringing the unrelated non-incident to ANI. I won't put in the AE request - and my involvement would not be productive given unrelated ANI matter and that I presented evidence against Cwobeel which likely helped decide to issue the first warning. Cwobeel has claimed Huffington Post is a reliable source for BLP matters, but this IMDb thing is obvious and just combative - such edits are disruptive or indicate a lack of BLP competence. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. Well, hopefully you see that not much except drama ever comes from ANI. AE is a better place because it's less Wild West with more defined rules. I hope you'll reconsider at some point regarding that idea. — Cirt (talk) 05:12, 24 January 2015 (UTC)