February 1, 2015 (2015-02-01) (Sunday)
Business and economy
- The United Steelworkers union strikes against Royal Dutch Shell Plc at nine U.S. oil and chemical plants. Up until recently oil prices had undergone steep drops since June, but the union's action as part of the supply chain caused the market price to soar more than eight percent. (Reuters)
- Quintana Roo switches to the Southeastern Time Zone, which has the same effect as observing Eastern Standard Time year-round, to boost tourism. (UPI)
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2015 World Men's Handball Championship
Article: 2015 World Men's Handball Championship (talk · history · tag) Blurb: At the World Men's Handball Championship, France beats Qatar in the final to win a record fifth world championship. (Post) News source(s): Gulf Times Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: The result of the previous final has been announced on the main page. Now we also have a record-breaking fifth win for France. - Thierry Caro (talk) 18:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
2015 Australian Open
Article: 2015 Australian Open (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The Australian Open tennis tournament concludes with Novak Djokovic winning the men's singles and Serena Williams winning the women's singles. (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Important ongoing event, but not yet complete. Men's singles' results are awaited. - The Herald (here I am) 14:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I support going ahead with the blurb now for Serena and adding the men's result later. Why wait?--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Johnsemlak. I support it.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Not ready. None of the three articles has even a paragraph on the winners and/or finals. There are just big data tables, and a statement of the winner in the lead/infobox. This needs some referenced prose before it can go up. Modest Genius 18:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
RD: Richard von Weizsäcker
Duplicate nomination, see below. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Richard von Weizsäcker (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): New York Times Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: President of West Germany and Germany between 1984 and 1994. Germany's first president after reunification. APK whisper in my ear 11:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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Since this will probably get contentious, it is better to start the discussion early. Patriots or Seahawks. Nergaal (talk) 03:32, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- What exactly will be contentious? This is ITNR so the merits don't even need to be discussed. 331dot (talk) 03:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- As a prelim note, sections on the playoffs are unreferenced, and should be fixed before posting which can be done now before the game.also go hawks --MASEM (t) 03:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Done Spencer 06:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- I don't understand why this would be contentious. News about the winner definitely needs to be in. Busy Moose (talk) 19:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- The fact that this is nominated early is contentious. It is notable (per ITNR) such that only a good update is required for it to be posted. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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- 2015 Australian Open
- 2015 AFC Asian Cup
- In golf, Lydia Ko of New Zealand, who does not turn 18 until 24 April, becomes the youngest golfer of either sex to be ranked number 1 in the world, surpassing the previous record of Tiger Woods by nearly four years. (New Zealand Herald)
- In American football, The Board of Selectors for Pro Football Hall of Fame announces the induction of eight individuals as the 2015 induction class which will formally enter the Hall in August. The inductees are Junior Seau, Jerome Bettis, Charles Haley, Will Shields, Tim Brown, and Mick Tingelhoff as players, and Bill Polian and Ron Wolf as contributors. (NBC Sports)
Kenji Goto allegedly beheaded
Articles: Kenji Goto (talk · history · tag) and ISIL beheading incidents (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant releases a video allegedly showing the beheading of Japanese journalist Kenji Goto. (Post) News source(s): NBC News, ABC News The Guardian, BBC News Credits:
Nominator's comments: Lead story on the BBC and NBC News, also lots of coverage from elsewhere in the world as indicated by other links above. Video has not been confirmed to be authentic, hence use of "allegedly". Everymorning talk 23:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose, blurb says it all, "allegedly". I'm skeptical that they ever even had Goto or Yukawa, the shadows in the pic didn't look right. --AmaryllisGardener 23:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: This is why we have the ongoing section. Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Timeline_of_recent_events (which is linked to in the Ongoing section) covers these events. Spencer 02:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose a blurb that says "allegedly". Even if there is confirmation, I think the ongoing listing covers this. 331dot (talk) 03:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Even if this was confirmed, I think we haven't been posting the other beheadings by ISIS? --MASEM (t) 03:48, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Support if we get a confirmation. Huge story, and has now tied a very large country with ISIS conflict.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Support - huge story. international coverage.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. We can't have an item every time ISIS kills someone, even if it's a Westerner and on video. Sad as it is, ISIS beheading people is a frequent event. There's no indication of why this particular incidence should be treated differently. There's already a link to a relevant article in Ongoing Events. Modest Genius 18:48, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose should be covered by the ongoing item. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
RD: Geraldine McEwan
Article: Geraldine McEwan (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: McEwan had a long career on screen and in the theatre, she won a BAFTA and was perhaps best known for playing Miss Marple in recent years. JuneGloom07 Talk 18:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Be aware, please, that's not what I said. I said her face was recognizable to Americans, not that she was solely identified with Miss Marple. Again, I'd like to hear more from our friends acrost the pond. μηδείς (talk) 22:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose along the likes of TRM. One BAFTA may be significant, but the current shape of the article doesn't give an impression of how important she was as an actress - it's all rote details like rolls and the like. While her key role is memorable, I don't think that's sufficient alone here. --MASEM (t) 22:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose as she doesn't seem to meet the criteria. 331dot (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support. Had she accepted the damehood that she reportedly turned down in 2002, her notability quotient would presumably be higher - but, in any case,a very well known and respected actress to UK TV, film (Wallace and Gromit, etc.) and theatre audiences. Article not the greatest, though. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Sergio Mattarella
Articles: Sergio Mattarella (talk · history · tag) and President of Italy (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Constitutional Court judge Sergio Mattarella is elected 12th President of Italy, following retired long-time president Giorgio Napolitano. (Post) News source(s): NYT, WSJ Credits:
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: A newly elected President of Italy is international top news. PanchoS (talk) 16:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- You do realize that these two nominations are of two different types, one is ITNC and the other is RD? ;) I agree that it would help to have better references though the president part is fine in principle. --Tone 22:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Well, in the distant future, when Mattarella has some accomplishments as president, we can look at them. Otherwise, it's a ceremonial post, and we should never have posted the resignation of the prior holder of this office. And where's the discussion by which this became a part of ITNR? μηδείς (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- It was unilaterally added here, as a result of this "discussion". Mogism (talk) 23:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- I'm wondering why you are now questioning the posting of changes in head of state when it has been done somewhat consistently the entire time I have been here. I in no way am suggesting any nefarious motive but I am just curious as to why now. 331dot (talk) 03:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- I assume you are questioning me? So far as I can tell, "presidents" in Europe are like Vice Presidents in the US. Stand-ins when trhe Prime Minister is too busy. Kind of like how Joe Biden attended the Charlie Hebdo unity march, because president Obama was too busy campaigning in Berlin. μηδείς (talk) 04:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- The President of Italy is not like the Vice President of the US, and it is not just a ceremonial post. Among the other things he dissolves the Parliament and names the PM: please note that, while in some cases he has "hands tied" in other cases he has not, and he can decide whether or not to dissolve Parliament, and who to name as PM (as it happened e.g. with Mario Monti a few years ago). Anyway, Mattarella is going to be sworn on February 3rd: we may wait for Tuesday to write something like Sergio Mattarella is sworn as the 12th President of Italy. --Jaqen (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be any need for support as this is on ITNR, but for some reason people are questioning this. It's the succession of a new head of state, ergo should be posted. I am agnostic on whether we should post now or when he actually assumes the office. Modest Genius 18:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Better referenced than when I first looked. I questioned it because it was sub-standard, nothing else. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
RD: Carl Djerassi
Article: Carl Djerassi (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Sueddeutsche.de Handelsblatt Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Austrian-American and Bulgarian chemist, novelist, and playwright who is known for his contribution to the development of oral contraceptive pills - The Herald (here I am) 14:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
RD: Richard von Weizsäcker
Article: Richard von Weizsäcker (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC WSJ Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former German President - The Herald (here I am) 13:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- What referencing issues are you referring to? 331dot (talk) 03:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought you might have looked at the article. For instance, the entire "Early life" section is completely unreferenced. "Other activities (selection)" section is entirely unsourced. "List of state visits" section has not one single reference. I apologise, I thought it was obvious what the referencing issues were. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- I did look at it, as I look at each nominated article; please don't assume that what is obvious to you is obvious to everyone else. I saw many references at the bottom of the page so I initially thought that was sufficient. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a problematic approach, just basing a decision on sheer volume of references. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the unsolicited opinion about my approaches. That isn't what I solely based my decision on but I don't really think this page is for analyzing my decisions. 331dot (talk) 12:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- No, but worth admins closing ITN candidates understanding that your support isn't based on whether an article is correctly referenced, just has lots of references. Certainly significant here. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry I'm not as familiar with referencing as you are. Frankly I didn't think the sections without references were just made up and that perhaps the references were just not properly placed or something. Perfect should not be the enemy of good. 331dot (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Nobody mentioned perfect. Someone mentioned whole sections without a single reference. Your frankness is laudable but doesn't help improve the content of Misplaced Pages, does it? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose regardless of quality, the role was ceremonial. I was studying German in high school and university during the entire time of his presidency, and he never played a role comparable to any of the Helmuts. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support per nom. —Jonny Nixon - (Talk) 05:31, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Support. I support this. I will try and go into the library later on and reference the article through biographies. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comment – Although von Weizsäcker is a famous name in Germany (and in German history), I don't believe it's widely known in the English-speaking world (although, since Richard studied in Britain, perhaps he's more widely known there). OTOH, he was a head of state – at a key time. Undecided. Sca (talk) 13:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Major political figure in an important country at an important time. Maybe not widely known in the UK, but sufficiently well-known that his omission from RD would seem extremely strange. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Please re-assess!!: I included a lot of references to the early life and political career sections, mostly from German biographies. They might not be ideal since they are inconvinient for English speaking readers but on the other hand they have more academic reliability than internet sources. Also added some english news items as references. Good to go? Zwerg Nase (talk) 18:49, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Meets DC2 and the article now seems to be sufficient. Modest Genius 18:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comment referencing is now mediocre rather than shoddy, good work from those who want to improve articles here, well played. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Good work on the sarcasm. I am quite new to editing Misplaced Pages. If in the past 13 years that Weizsäcker was alive and Misplaced Pages was around no one cared to produce a decent article about one of the world's major leaders than maybe I am not to blame if my references that I put together in a couple of hours are not up to highest standards. I still feel that the article is now in a shape that allows it to go on the Main Page. Zwerg Nase (talk) 21:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Don't let other users get you down; thanks for your work. 331dot (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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RD: Geraldine McEwan
Duplicate nomination, see above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Geraldine McEwan (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC The Guardian Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: English actress known for Miss Marple, the Agatha Christie sleuth and a BAFTA Awardee. - The Herald (here I am) 12:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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RD: Zhelyu Zhelev
Article: Zhelyu Zhelev (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Novinite, Fox News, Yahoo Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former head of state. Very notable for a RD tag --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:42, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- There is no obligation to fix tags before a nomination. In fact, nominations often motivate improvements. --331dot (talk) 03:49, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- I think we do need to include additional references at least to a degree where it is reasonable to remove the orange tag. That doesn't necessarily mean creating an impeccably referenced article. There's also some material under "Author" which looks to me like original research. Someone should investigate that and remove it if it is. Formerip (talk) 13:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't disagree; my only point was that tags do not need to be fixed in order to be nominated as Seattle's rationale suggests. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- OK, my misunderstanding. Formerip (talk) 14:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- I might work on it tomorrow. That said, opposes based on article quality usually say something like "Oppose, until the article is improved.", not blaming the nominator. --AmaryllisGardener 04:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Election of the AU Chairperson
Article: Chairperson of the African Union (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe is elected as the Chairperson of the African Union. (Post) News source(s): Reuters, ABC News, Bloomberg, BBC News Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: President Mugabe is elected as the new Chairman of the continental union at the age of 90. He had also led the AU's predecessor, the Organisation of African Unity (in 1997-8). I believe this is a Recurring Event under the Elections section - the EU acts as a precedent. The event is significant as evidenced by its coverage in the major media houses. Ali Fazal (talk) 12:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. This is not ITNR so I have removed it. If it is thought that the AU should be added that should be discussed at ITNR's talk page. I'm not sure the AU is equal in stature to the EU in terms of structure or influence on its member countries. 331dot (talk) 14:36, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose As far as I can tell, this is equivalent to the EU's rotating presidency, which we do not post. It's a largely ceremonial role (AU Chairperson doesn't have much power) which changes regularly, and the holder is always more notable as a head of state than as AU chairperson. The actual leader of the AU is the Chairperson of the African Union Commission (yes, it's confusing that they're both called "chairperson", just as it's confusing that the EU has four presidents), currently Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma. If we did post AU leadership news, that position is the one to post (next election/appointment in 2016). Smurrayinchester 15:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose - let's not give him any publicity or legitimacy. Mjroots (talk) 19:56, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- This strikes me as a weak reason to oppose. Regardless, I do oppose as well because the actual head of the African Union, like in the European Union, is the head of the Union Commission, not the chairperson. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 20:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Mjroots:I agree that is a poor reason to oppose; very little would be posted if we only posted things about good people or good events. Publicity and legitimacy are not our concern; only what meets criteria for posting. 331dot (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- That's a completely irrelevant and invalid reason to oppose. We are not here to make judgments about Mugabe or attempt to deny him publicity. There are good reason to oppose this, but that isn't one. Neljack (talk) 22:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. I totally disagree with Mjroots. Whilst the editor is entitled to his/her own opinion; I believe it goes against the grain of Misplaced Pages's NPOV policy. It may appear thus as untoward and biased - given the fact that Zimbabwe was a former colony of this editor's country of residence and therefore not befitting. The fact of the matter is that Mugabe has been elected by the continent's leaders and will serve his mandate. I have made a proposal at the ITN/R talkpage and would appreciate if you could take a look. Ali Fazal (talk) 23:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe the reason is a weak one, but the opposition is still strong. As for Mugabe being elected, that is only because he rigged the last election that enabled him to be in a position to be the head of state elected to chairman of the AU. Mugabe is an international pariah, and should be treated as such, even by Misplaced Pages. Doing so does not break NPOV because Misplaced Pages would merely be following the rest of the world. Mjroots (talk) 07:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages should not be used to make judgements of any kind. We can certainly tell people what RS state, but we aren't here to add or detract from any status Mugabe has. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- I haven't denied the opposition from other editors to this nomination. Forgive my digression, but I'd like to state this for the record. What I meant regarding the NPOV was that both extreme views ought to be included on Misplaced Pages without bias i.e. his status as a nationalist hero and the other controversies. And that is why I disagree with your rationale of giving him "publicity or legitimacy; and Wikiepdia treating him as such" Why should Misplaced Pages ONLY follow the "rest of the world?" By saying this, you exclude those who disagree with your POV. As for the 2013 elections, the AU declared it as free whilst others questioned its legitimacy. Therefore, from an NPOV both views ought to be expressed here. Since yesterday's announcement, the page hits on both these articles: AU Chair and Mugabe increased by 394% and 196% respectively. This shows the level of interest of our readers has increased. Numbers don't lie and I hope these statistics will enable you all to re-consider your prior decision. Ali Fazal (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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RD: Rod McKuen
Article: Rod McKuen (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): NY Times Billboard The Independent Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Prolific songwriter, poet, author, twice nominated for Academy Award, once for Pulitzer Prize, including theme "Jean" to The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie and lyricist for number 1 hit and record selling (more than 10,000,000) single "Seasons in the Sun" μηδείς (talk) 05:18, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Marked ready per above comments. Marked FriarTuck1981, Rothorpe, Bede735 as updaters. μηδείς (talk) 19:23, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Sinai attacks
Article: January 2015 Sinai attacks (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Attacks by Islamist militants in the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, kill 32 people. (Post) News source(s): Reuters The Guardian The Japan Times Sydney Morning Herald Zee News Credits:
Nominator's comments: One of the deadliest attacks in the Sinai insurgency so far. The last one (which was the deadliest) wasn't posted for lack of attention even though the article was in good shape. This one may need some expansion, but I won't work on it until tomorrow, if no one gets there. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 23:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't want this to die out like the previous Sinai nomination, and therefore I've marked it. Three more sections were added to the article: casualties, damage and reactions (domestic and foreign). Any further recommendations? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, still oppose, the majority of the article and its bytes is a seriously over-heaped section on the reaction. Without the super-heavy reaction section, you have 270 words about the event itself. That's sub-stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
RD: Colleen McCullough
Article: Colleen McCullough (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): New York Times, CNN, CNBC Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: According to the New York Times, The Thorn Birds "became an international best seller and inspired a hugely popular television mini-series". It also sold 30 million copies worldwide (see CNN link). This seems to indicate that McCullough was a very important figure in her field. Everymorning talk 20:39, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose I've tagged items in the article which currently remain unreferenced, there are plenty of things that need addressing. Otherwise she was a highly popular author and worthy of consideration here, particularly with The Thorn Birds. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- support on notability.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:22, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- support in principle, hugely notable writer of historical fiction; will be personally unable to contribute to article improvements myself before Sunday. μηδείς (talk) 22:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support; the article is what it is, especially since the author apparently kept mostly to herself; what she's known for is her books. The article on The Thorn Birds is much better. She's still a novelist who's a household name wherever English is spoken. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 05:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support for prompt RD posting, although additional referencing would be good. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Ready I have added about 700b of sourcing, removed some farcical or circular claims, and hidden material like the Candice Bergen 1996 TV adaptation Mary & Tim for which there are no sources. The article is untagged as of this edit. It might be appropriate to add others as updaters based on the history. μηδείς (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Done --Jayron32 21:25, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Gunman storms Dutch TV station
There will be no consensus to post what is a minor incident of limited significance. Stephen 03:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Nederlandse_Omroep_Stichting#2015_gunman_incident (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A gunman claiming to represent a 'hacker collective' stormed Dutch TV station Nederlandse Omroep Stichting demanding air time before submitting to Dutch Police. (Post) Alternative blurb: Gunman storms Dutch TV station Nederlandse Omroep Stichting. News source(s): NOS, BNR, Express, NBC, etc. Credits:
Nominator's comments: Temporally significant as violence in the context of European media following the Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris earlier this month. prat (talk) 00:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose, no deaths as far as we know, and the hostage/shooting situation is already over with. --AmaryllisGardener 00:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- You seem to be opposing on two points, but I don't understand your argument. First, you say you oppose because there were no deaths... but death is not a requirement for news! Second, it is not ongoing news. However, I don't think 'ongoing' is a requirement either? Therefore, I cannot follow your argument. prat (talk) 00:22, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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- There is significant global media coverage... certainly the US, across Europe, and even here in Australia. Remember, this event is only a few hours old. The question of fatalities still seems irrelevant to me. prat (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose While interesting, the event is rather insignificant in that there is virtually no national or international repercussions. But thank you for putting forward the nomination - we definitely don't get enough around here lately. Mamyles (talk) 00:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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- What is required is for an event to be judged as significant by the community. I'm not sure if you have or not but please review WP:ITN for some general guidelines. National and international repercussions certainly help; merely being in the news is not sufficent. --331dot (talk) 02:13, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- OK, WP:ITN states under Purpose the following points, all of which I believe suit this nomination very well.
- To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
- To showcase quality Misplaced Pages content on current events.
- To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
- To emphasize Misplaced Pages as a dynamic resource.
- This is the real spirit of the thing... and the nomination suits it. prat (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- That is the purpose, not the criteria, which is further down that page. --331dot (talk) 02:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Right, the criteria is presently an unstructured waffle that self-reports as subjective. Its main two points, 'quality' and 'significance' are inherently POV. prat (talk) 02:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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RD:Yves Chauvin
Article: Yves Chauvin (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): NYT RSC Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: French chemist and 2005 Nobel Prize laureate - The Herald (here I am) 16:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Improve The last update prior to his death was October 2013, the current update consists of citations (good) and a mere mention he has died. The article could use better formatting into sections, and an explicit rationale for his posting given, since it is standing policy that we don't post people just because they got the Nobel. μηδείς (talk) 19:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support: Looks fine to me. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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2015 Corinthia Hotel attack
Article: 2015 Corinthia Hotel attack (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A terror attack at a hotel in Tripoli, Libya kills ten people. (Post) News source(s): Christian Science Monitor, Wall Street Journal, CTV News, BBC Credits:
Article needs updatingNominator's comments: An ISIS-affiliated group has claimed responsibility for the attack (see CS Monitor link above). The event itself has received coverage from around the world. Everymorning talk 16:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- support but it would be nice to see an actual article about the event and not the hotel. It would probably be considered part of the Libyan Civil War (2014–present) and it looks like there's additional text and references hereMonopoly31121993 (talk) 16:54, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Here you go. APK whisper in my ear 17:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- support - definitely. notable attack.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Suppprt but think the article's a bit too thin at this point (even considering the expansion after Monopoly's comment above). --MASEM (t) 22:43, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Suppprt - major terrorist attack. -Zanhe (talk) 03:26, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- The article is handsome, but light on prose, especially the body text, and has only three sources, so I am marking unupdated for now, but it really should go up as soon as it can be a little improved. μηδείς (talk) 19:31, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
RD: Charles Hard Townes
Article: Charles Hard Townes (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Berkeley University News Center Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: A Nobel Prize-winning physicist. Very notable for a RD. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:28, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support as he's a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, therefore important in his field. Article needs a bit of work, though. --AmaryllisGardener 01:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose as of yet. The article hasn't got the required three full prose paragraph minimum even for a new article: it's just a bare list. Also, there's long-standing precedent that having won a Nobel is not by itself sufficient for a listing. μηδείς (talk) 01:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Yes, the article has been improved somewhat, but things like the unsourced "2012 - Boy Scouts of America named their Webelos SUPERNOVA award for Townes" don't help. μηδείς (talk) 03:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Okay I removed that information because I found it unmeaningful. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Precedent here seems to suggest that it is not. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Clear cut RD case. Article looks fine. Modest Genius 13:53, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- I have removed my oppose, since the claims now present are supported, but it's still quite a small article. μηδείς (talk) 16:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support - top scientist in his field (laser), Nobel Prize winner. Article is decent. -Zanhe (talk) 03:24, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support for RD. (As a minor point, note that "Charles Townes" or "Charles H. Townes" appear most commonly in sources, not the form with the full middle name.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:34, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- Posted --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:30, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
January 2015 nor'easter
At this point there's a federal meteorologist apologizing for the misforecast, and nothing out of the ordinary for New England. μηδείς (talk) 01:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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Article: January 2015 nor'easter (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A nor'easter cripples the Northeastern United States. (Post) News source(s): NPRWaPo Credits:
Nominator's comments: The predictions were for a blizzard of historic proportions. It looks like that we won't get it quite that badly, but it's still a significant disruption. States of emergency are underway. There were travel bans overnight. And we have our first death. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not a significant one. WaPo report do not reports the issue, but on the bad weather. - The Herald (here I am) 13:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Wait until the storm has concluded or nearly so and its effects can be better judged. I live in the affected area and it is significant but we should have a better handle on what the effects are before judging if it should be posted or not. 331dot (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - If it turns out that this weather event is highly unusual then maybe; but a weather forecast is just that. A forecast. Pedro : Chat 13:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Wait until the storm is over. It may just be a regular winter storm. Epic Genius (talk) 15:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The proposed blurb is sensationalist. The storm did not "cripple" anywhere, the authorities prepared weeks for this and there is so far a very low death toll. Most "crippling," such as shutting down the New York City subway, was done in anticipation and possible over-preparedness of the storm. Mamyles (talk) 15:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment the BBC are referring to this as "Storm Juno", that would appear to be more appropriate than "a nor'easter". But in any case, it seems like the US was well prepared for this and as such is not really a stupendously interesting item, so weak oppose. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Naming a winter storm is a construct of The Weather Channel, and the use is discouraged among meteorologists. It's more a marketing ploy than an encyclopedic reference, but we still could use it somewhere for identification. Mamyles (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- "...but we still could use it somewhere for identification." But not on the Main Page, please. -- tariqabjotu 17:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Wait, per Epic Genius. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose for now This storm was well-forecasted, and everyone that had power to took steps to reduce risks to residents (eg the entire shutdown of NYC yesterday). Yes much of the NE is shut down, but it is not like a surprise of the like. If the storm hit, stranded thousands and risked serious loss of life, that would be different. I agree with the wait comments that if something serious does happen, we can include it then --MASEM (t) 16:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose this was a huge bust in comparison to the predictions of NYC's "biggest storm ever". The current headlines are "snow job", "meteorologists apologize", "analyse modesl". Thery're getting 12" in Boston, which happens regularly during what is called winter.
- Support There's a state of emergency in several states. This should be seen as comparable to a large hurricane, thus the new naming attempts. Busy Moose (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- While there is a state of emergency, it is not because they were unprepared, but to make sure critical services like fire/ambulances/etc. have the necessary priority/rights of way to deal with emergencies or the like (take the street parking ban NYC enacted), as well as to restore life to normal as soon after the snow has stopped. --MASEM (t) 18:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not only is the language in the blurb melodramatic, it's also not true. The snowmageddon has failed to materialise. AlexTiefling (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Your assessment might be correct in certain areas (NYC) but many places are getting large amounts of snow. 30 inches in Massachusetts for example. 331dot (talk) 19:12, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- There is also no power on the entire island of Nantucket along with significant flooding and near-hurricane force winds. 331dot (talk) 19:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- But ultimately it's just unpleasant weather, something that the US and many other parts of the world see regularly. This is in no way more notable than any other snow storm that might put a few people out. Moreover, it now looks like the powers that be are being criticised for overplaying the whole thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- That (the criticism at the overreaction) might be the story for ITN at the end of the day , but damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's winter, blizzards happen, this is nowhere close to the worst blizzard the NE has seen. --MASEM (t) 19:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- You both might be totally correct and I'm not saying this should be posted. I was only saying that some areas have indeed gotten what was initially predicted. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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Alberto Nisman (slight return)
Articles: Secretaría de Inteligencia (talk · history · tag) and Alberto Nisman (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Argentine president Cristina Kirchner announces the dissolution of the Secretaría de Inteligencia, following the suspected murder of Alberto Nisman. (Post) Alternative blurb: Argentine president Cristina Kirchner announces the dissolution of the Secretaría de Inteligencia, following the death of Alberto Nisman. News source(s): BBC Credits:
Both articles need updatingNominator's comments: "Suspected murder" may now be fair, based on statements from government officials, including the president. But, for the morbidly cautious, I have added an altblurb anyway. We seriously under-represent Latin America on ITN. Formerip (talk) 00:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - We'll still wait until the official dissolution of that agency and the foundation of the promised other. Kirchner's words don't become official until things happen officially. --George Ho (talk) 03:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Major development. If David Cameron said he was going to dissolve MI-5 or Obama said he was going to disband the CIA, it would be stupendous news. Kirchner may just have signed her own death warrant. Abductive (reasoning) 04:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose All that has been announced is that the President will propose a bill to replace the agency with a new one. It would be highly misleading to say that she has "announce the dissolution of the Secretaría de Inteligencia" when, as I understand it, she has no such power and the dissolution will only happen if Congress approves the bill she is going to propose. Also, the blurb should refer to her as "Cristina Fernández de Kirchner", not Cristina Kirchner, as that is the title of her article and she is widely referred to as such - indeed the BBC article linked to refers to "Ms Fernandez", rather than "Ms Kirchner". Neljack (talk) 07:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose the story that keeps on giving, per Neljack. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose until the bill is passed and/or signed. This is just a proposal. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The article Secretaría de Inteligencia has not been updated. Cambalachero (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support We've got Kirchner saying this was a murder to set her up, the lead investigative journalist fleeing the country, the victim shot point blank in the forehead (go ahead, try to do that yourself) and the country's top secret spy agency dissolved, the last of which alone would normally merit a posting. μηδείς (talk) 01:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support altblurb. Big story, the dissolution of the MI-5 of CIA would be on ITN, so why not this? --AmaryllisGardener 01:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support We didn't post this death earlier because the details were murky - they are now clearer in the direction of state sponsored assassination. And per Medeis, a spy agency dissolved alone is noteworthy. But, it seems to me that if this event is notable it should have its own article. Mamyles (talk) 04:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per the many occasions when ITN has decided against posting announcements or proposals as opposed to actions or outcomes. Bencherlite 12:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb. Shutting down a country's intelligence agency is a big deal - imagine if this was Obama shutting down the CIA. The issue is murky, but this specific action is clear and provides a good point to post the story. Modest Genius 13:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support, per Modest Genius and others. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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RD: R. K. Laxman
Article: R. K. Laxman (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): TOI India Today IBN Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Most notable Indian cartoonist - The Herald (here I am) 14:01, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support: Easily the most notable Indian cartoonist - winner of the Padma Vibhushan (second highest civilian honour) and Ramon Magsaysay Award. His cartoons appeared daily in the Times of India, which is the largest selling English-language daily in the world with a readership of 7.643 million. Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 16:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape, seems clearly at the top of his field. --Jayron32 17:16, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support. I guess he must be the most read English language political cartoonist of all time, and the article looks fine. Formerip (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support One of India's most well known cartoonists, with President paying tribute too. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support pending article fixes on qualifications, but there's a paragraph under "Other creations" and "Personal life" that need sourcing. (Also, I know there's a ref on the blockquote but the ref# is not appearing for me. Dunno if this needs to be checked for template change?) --MASEM (t) 21:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose article is not in a fit state for main page, many unreferenced claims need citations. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support -article is indeed in good shape, and notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:34, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Seems to be very important to their field. 331dot (talk) 11:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Weak Support - per Jayron. Death of someone at the top of a field is notable, although I'm not sure if he's at the top in a national rather than international sense. Busy Moose (talk) 18:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Posted - thanks for the article improvements. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Post-posting support, good work not he article, if only some of those early supporters had even bothered looking at the article and improve it, we could have been doing this a while ago. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
RD Demis Roussos
Article: Demis Roussos (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Le Figaro Telegraph (UK) Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 11:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Could you clarify what you think needs doing? And/or even add appropriate template(s)/tag(s)? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Well, the two sections covering his career are completely unsourced. Formerip (talk) 17:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. It gets a bit lonely in the Valley of Sadness.... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Amending vote to full Support article is fixed up, and looks good enough for the main page. No problem seeing this make the RD list! --Jayron32 15:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per Jayron. I won't tag the article, not being familiar with him. But it strikes my interest that he's associated with Vangelis and the Blade Runner soundtrack. Neveretheless, that's a bit short of the needs of RD. He's not included in list of best-selling music artists. μηδείς (talk) 21:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Conditional support based on Jayron's article quality concerns -- too much unsourced. --MASEM (t) 21:22, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Praise be for some attention to article quality. Roussos was prolific and notable so a reasonable call for RD but I was shocked by how poor the article was. Glad to see some sense prevailing rather than the usual bandwagon of support. I'll happily support once the article is improved beyond the C-class we have right now with bags of unreferenced info. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support upon article improvement. I also came here to nominate this. A very notable singer in the Middle East as well. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support upon article improvement. --BabbaQ (talk) 23:34, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- I can see that some article improvement is underway. Support as soon as the job is done. Formerip (talk) 00:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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2015 Mamasapano clash
Article: 2015 Mamasapano clash (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The Bangsamoro peace process is halted following clashes during a Philippine National Police raid. (Post) News source(s): AP BBC Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: A total of 54 people are killed in the incident and hundreds are displaced in the follow up.This puts an end to the Bangsamoro peace process and threatens an escalation of the conflict. --Catlemur (talk) 21:42, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support An incident with both many fatalities and significant consequences. Neljack (talk) 22:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Wait Support - the following issues have since been addressed >>> I think that the article is unreasonably biased toward the police. From current information from reliable sources like BBC, I see a lack of evidence to call this an "ambush." It seems more like a case of mis-communication. I am adding an orange WP:POV tag to the article which will need to be worked through prior to posting. Mamyles (talk) 23:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- (In my opinion) An ambush is a surprise attack with the surprise element often coming from mis communication of the victims, I can't fathom the reasoning behind the POV tag.Should we also put POV tags on every article describing a victory as pyrrhic?--Catlemur (talk) 23:28, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- It's normal for an article to be sourced by more than one source, and include multiple points of view. Besides for a possible lack of opposing viewpoints and a POV title, the article is otherwise written quite well, and once it is expanded I will likely support posting to ITN. Mamyles (talk) 23:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose as a rather inscrutable rationale--help out we who are unfamiliar with the underlying story and why it should be posted. Words like "incident" and "displaced" are too vague to evaluate. μηδείς (talk) 02:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- In essence, 392 Philippine special operations police set out to arrest two terrorists and were attacked by a rebel group during the operation. The clash resulted in at least 54 dead, 49 of them police. This event is significant both because of the high death toll for a police operation, and that a peace treaty with the rebels was postponed/cancelled as a result of this incident. Mamyles (talk) 16:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
RD: Joe Franklin
No consensus to post. Stephen 01:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Joe Franklin (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): NBC News, USA Today, New York Times Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: The NBC News link above describes him as "pioneering". Everymorning talk 15:34, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose for now on article quality, seriously lacking in references. Not good enough to be considered "showcase" quality. Oh, and that lead..... that lead.... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose From the article lead: "He is the pioneer of the TV Talk Show format and claimed to have interviewed over 400,000 guests during his 43 year television career, which may have been an exaggeration." The claim is both outrageous "the pioneer?" and admittedly exaggerated. μηδείς (talk) 17:07, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support per the world record inside the article for longest running talk show. Busy Moose (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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Winter X Games XIX
No consensus to post. Stephen 01:29, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Winter X Games XIX (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The Winter X Games Nineteen conclude with the United States leading the medal count with thirty-one medals. (Post) News source(s): NBC Sports ESPN Newsday ABC News Credits:
Article needs updatingNominator's comments: As far as I know, the X Games have never been featured in ITN. I believe they are notable enough to be posted to ITN. Today is the final day of the Winter X Games in Aspen. I did not include a blurb as the event is not finished yet and the medal count will change one more time. Andise1 (talk) 01:16, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- I would support this if the article had any actual prose. Nergaal (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose The criteria describe two main grounds for inclusion. The first is the quality of the updated content, which, as noted by Nergaal, is close to zero in this case. The second is the significance of the developments described. The fact that almost half the medal winners are redlinks is a fair indication of which way this one leans. Looking for extra information in the X_Games article doesn't help, as it reads like an advertisement for ESPN. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose solely on article quality grounds. Article is a mess, FAR from updated sufficiently, not something I would be proud to put on the main page. I'm generally in favor of posting almost anything which meets quality standards. This isn't it. --Jayron32 10:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose The X Games are basically an advertisement for ESPN regardless of how this article is written. Busy Moose (talk) 00:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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RD Toller Cranston
No consensus to post. Stephen 00:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Toller Cranston (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): CBC Globe and Mail NYTimes Fox Sports Der Spiegel (Germany) Le Figaro (France) New Straits Times (Malaysia) Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: One of figure skating's brightest stars and most influential innovators. Was a living legend in the figure skating world, both for his innovative artistry on ice and for his later work. He never won the Olympics due to the compulsory figures components - which are no longer compulsory. He is considered one of the driving forces behind modern artistry in free skating. (Edited nomination to add core US and worldwide sources which equally acknowledge his importance.) Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 19:28, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Tags have been dealt with, and were tangential to his core career in any case. - Tenebris 21:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- It's not usual for the nominator to respond to comments and votes, but everyone seems to be overlooking that Cranston did repeatedly win world "best" medals for free skating in the World Figure Skating Championships. These were separate medals given out for the free skating component of the scores, which today makes up the entirety of the judging. At that time, the other major component was compulsory figures. Public and judging demand after Cranston's continual 3rds and 4ths, especially after winning the free skating component, was a major factor in why compulsory figures were removed from the modern Worlds and Olympics. - Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 21:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Dealt with. - Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 21:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- See earlier comment. - Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 21:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment I took care of all the tags (which did not relate to his core career in any case); so I will try one more time. Toller Cranston was far more influential to his sport on a worldwide basis than Ernie Banks was to his. Modern figure skating changed in large part because of him. Consider that Toller Cranston was inducted into the World Figure Skating Hall of Fame (located in the US) in the company of various repeated Olympic and world gold medal winners -- in spite of never having won an Olympic gold medal himself. That was the value other figure skaters put on him.
- Influential - a large part of the reason compulsory figures no longer exist as part of worldwide figure skating competition is because both the audience and the judges felt that Cranston deserved higher results than his repeated bronzes at world levels, but was held back by compulsory figures. World-class figure skaters today are no longer judged on the basis of compulsory figures, but that change did not happen until after Cranston retired from competitive figure skating. His wish to put an adult-level "theatre on ice" also made him one of the seminal figures in the gradual recognition that high caliber non-competitive figure skating performance could be hugely popular (and profitable). This legacy is visible in the existence of (eg) Stars on Ice. (Before that, non-competitive performances were much lower caliber and targeted a less knowledgeable audience, eg. Ice Capades.)
- Oh, and Cranston was also awarded the Order of Canada, Canada's equivalent to the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Both this and the World Figure Skating Hall of Fame induction were already in the article when I first nominated it. - Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 16:01, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- The Figure Skating Hall of Fame thing is a little misleading, after all several inductees (e.g. Herbert Clarke, Sheldon Galbraith, Josef Dědič, Janet Lynn, Maribel Vinson, Jutta Müller etc etc) didn't win Olympic gold medals. And when I looked at the Order of Canada, it said it had been awarded to over 6,000 individuals, while the Presidential Medal of Freedom was handed out about 11 times a year, are they really comparable? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:07, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) The Order of Canada is not the equivalent of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. The Order has three ranks: from highest to lowest, these are Companions, Officers, and Members. Up to 15 Companions can be appointed each year, subject to a total maximum of 165; up to 64 Officers, and up to 136 Members (no limit on the total in the lower two classes). On 26 December 2014 3 Companions, 13 Officers and 79 Members were appointed - and similar numbers are appointed in each group twice a year. Obama has awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom a mere 79 or 80 times since taking office, in comparison . According to his article, Cranston was a Member of the Order of Canada - that is, the lowest grade. No comment on your other arguments, but your comparison to the Presidential Medal of Freedom is a bad one. Bencherlite 16:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Your listing of people from a different era completely is genuinely misleading. Five of the six people you list are figure skating pioneers from the 1920s-40s, all of whom retired from competitive skating before 1950. The last, Janet Lynn, is still the youngest person ever to compete at the highest level for the US (age 11); to the point of landing a triple salchow jump at age 13 -- five US national titles and a World silver at her retirement. Incidentally, Lynn was another person whose competitive scores were lowered to non-gold levels by compulsory figures, although for her it was less obvious. - Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 16:22, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- It's not misleading at all, it's purely factual. None of those that I listed won a gold medal, that was your claim to significance of his induction, wasn't it? In fact, I probably only found half or so of the inductees had won a gold. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:27, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Precisely. People are inducted into the Hall of Fame based on their contribution to the sport -- which is not limited to their competitive contribution. However, to compare accurately, you really should choose to compare people from the same era. (Look up how early Olympic competitors were chosen sometime. It is quite entertaining.) Two other people were inducted at the same time as Toller Cranston: Midori Ito and Jutta Müller. Midori Ito never won higher than silver, but she was the first woman to complete seven triple jumps in a free program -- consistently the same jump content as the men. Jutta Müller's competitive skating successes were limited to the national level, but she coached her students to three Olympic gold medals and ten world champion titles.
- Yet you seem to be saying that neither of these people are "really" RD or even Hall-of-Fame material because they never actually won Olympic gold themselves. By that same standard, Ernie Banks should not be Hall-of-Fame or RD-notable, since he never won the World Series. - Tenebris 16:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- As to the Order of Canada, you may have slightly misunderstood both the award and that ranking. Even at their very best, a sports figure in Canada -- any sports figure in Canada -- would never be awarded anything other than the Officer level of the order of Canada, no matter how exceptional they are. That is the maximum a sports figure can achieve, where achievement does not go outside the field of sports -- because the "Member" level specifically acknowledges regional contribution, "Officer" level specifically acknowledges talent on an international level, and the "Companion" specifically acknowledges the "humanity" of the contribution (must extend beyond a single professional field). For example, astronauts Roberta Bondar and Chris Hadfield both received the "Officer" level of the Order of Canada. The Presidential Medal of Freedom is equally intended to recognize truly exceptional people, but it has no similar ranking to acknowledge different types of exceptionality. Canada also does not have any additional award equivalent to the Congressional Gold Medal -- the Order of Canada is pretty much it at that level.
- Probably not a good idea to compare actual numbers of people given the medal (even if # of people awarded the Congressional Gold Medal are added in), since that way lies a very slippery slope examining each country's assessment of its own citizens, or even whether one country does genuinely produce more internationally exceptional individuals per capita than another. - Tenebris 16:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- It was you who made the initial comparison. I know nothing about either award yet it seems freely available in Canada compared to its US counterpart with which you equated it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:48, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose I'm not confident that he meets the criteria of "very important figure in his field." He may have been the best in Canada for a string of years, but that falls short of "widely recognized" or "very important." Mamyles (talk) 16:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Except that he was the best in the world in figure skating artistic expression for many years running, and had *those* medals (the free skating medals at the World Championships) to prove it. He also had a long string of perfect 6.0s in artistic expression judging, both at the World Championships and at the Olympics. Athletes have been previously included in RD simply for being among the best in their own country, Ernie Banks being a direct example. While we don`t use precedents to decide RD priorities, we should at least not apply double standards. - Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 20:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- I find it hard to believe that you think holding a Bronze medal makes him the best in the world. I understand your point of view, that he is well respected in Canada and the sport, but I maintain my opinion that the bar for ITN:RD is not met here. Mamyles (talk) 20:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- He holds specific free skating world medals, given for the best in that area in the same competition, in addition to the bronze he earned which is based on three types of skating. This is also made clear in the article. Compared to, say, baseball, it would be like being the best pitcher in the world, but never once having won the World Series and only coming in third overall in all baseball skills averaged.
For those for whom it isn't clear, the respect for Toller Cranston's influence goes far, far beyond Canada. NYTimes calls him the "Nureyev of figure skating". Fox Sports calls him a "figure skating legend". I edited the nomination to include these and other international major media eulogies from Europe and even as far abroad as Malaysia (not a figure skating country!). So no, his reputation is not just about Canada. ... Although I can't help but notice that the same "local only" objection was not made for the RD for Ernie Banks, not even by one person. Again, could we please try not to have a double standard in how we judge nominations? - Tenebris
- Is that the same Fox broadcasting network that used an expert to claim that Birmingham was a no-go zone for non-Muslims and where Muslim police beat non-Muslims?? Just checking. And is this the Banks who is widely regarded as one the best baseball players of all time, fourteen-time All-Star and member MLB all-century team? Not sure I caught that same feeling about Cranston. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Greek legislative election, 2015
Articles: Coalition of the Radical Left (talk · history · tag) and Greek legislative election, 2015 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Exit polls indicate Alexis Tsipras' leftist SYRIZA party has won today's Greek legislative election by a large margin. (Post) Alternative blurb: The Coalition of the Radical Left (SYRIZA) wins plurality/majority of seats in the parliamentary elections in Greece Alternative blurb II: Leftist SYRIZA party wins Greek legislative election, needs partner for coalition government. Alternative blurb III: Leftist SYRIZA party wins Greek legislative election, agrees to form coalition government with Independent Greeks. News source(s): Ministry of Interior, BBC Credits:
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Today's Greek elections have been a particularly hot news item throughout Europe. The blurb should be updated as soon as final results are available. --PanchoS (talk) 17:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, whatever the precise result is, it will still matter quite a lot. Formerip (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support for later Post the actual results, not exit polls. Redverton (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support for later: as soon as the actual, official results come through (if they haven't already) then this news should definitely be posted. I would advise tweaking the blurb somewhat; no need for "today's" or "large margin". Perhaps mention could be made of the fact that this is Greece's first leftist government in sixty years, although that is not essential by any means. Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Papandreou's PASOK is center-left. SYRIZA is purely left-wing, even far-left. --Երևանցի 23:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think this needs to be in the blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 01:06, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Now that the preliminary results are out (97% reporting), we shouldn't wait longer but post at least the blurb. If there's a better photo I will post it here. --PanchoS (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support but wait for initial counting (100% reporting) is complete, even if the results aren't expected to change from the final few %. --MASEM (t) 02:18, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support Samaras has conceded defeat, so I believe that is enough for it to be posted. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Now, this is breaking news: Tspiras agrees on a coalition with the Independent Greeks. I'm wondering why there is still no post at all, so please now. --PanchoS (talk) 12:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Posted I went with a blurb that uses the full name of SYRIZA - if that's too long, feel free to cut it down to just the acronym. Smurrayinchester 13:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Zambian presidential election, 2015
Articles: Edgar Lungu (talk · history · tag) and Zambian presidential election, 2015 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Patriotic Front candidate Edgar Lungu is elected President of Zambia. (Post) News source(s): ABC News Credits:
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Any Zambian president is automatically news to everyone. George Ho (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support - absolutely! —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support- I agree. A nicely done article about an important election in an area that rarely gets mentioned in the Newsfeed.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 10:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support - a presidential election is notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Presidential elections are ITNR, so no discussion is required as to the merits, simply to judge quality and decide on a blurb. 331dot (talk) 11:36, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support. The image's copyright status needs to be sorted. Alt blurb: "Edgar Lungu is elected president of Zambia. Ali Fazal (talk) 13:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment I'd like to see some more updates in both articles before posting. Reactions etc. --Tone 17:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support. But needs more updates Yogwi21 08:54, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment:: I have updated the references section of the election article. I believe it is now ready to be posted. Please do consider posting this. This is quite significant as the winner's electoral margin was just 27,757 votes. Ali Fazal (talk) 16:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support ITNR. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Not ready - there is currently no prose on the results/reaction in the election article. That would normally be expected before posting. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:12, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- I've expanded the results section. How does it appear now? Ali Fazal (talk) 18:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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