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	:Pray tell -- what are the ''exact words'' in the radio programme which support the claims you wish to use it for? ] (]) 23:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)		:Pray tell -- what are the ''exact words'' in the radio programme which support the claims you wish to use it for? ] (]) 23:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

			::I can't speak for {{u\|Alison}}, but for me it'd be the '''large''' part of the interview where O'Brien outlines her reasons for opposition to same-sex marriage. I'm not going to type it all out, I don't have that kind of time. Listen to it, or alternatively, there are commercial transcription services. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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There's already an article at Breda O'Brien. Which one should be the main article? GeneralBelly (talk) 09:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

They should be merged. Sarah777 (talk) 22:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

(the discussion above was merged from Talk:Breda O'Brien (columnist) tedder (talk) 22:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Forcible or statutory?

Hey, Moloney! Would that be forcible incestuous rape or merely statutory incestuous rape you're talking about here? I mean, we don't want to mislead anyone about the Church's "opinion" here, now do we? --108.45.72.196 (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Views on abortion

The article previously mentioned her views on abortion, namely her opposition to it even in cases of rape. I believe it would be appropriate to include that within the article. After having read WP: Biographies of living persons, I fail to see how this doesn't deserve a mention. Please feel free to share your views. O lockers (talk) 08:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Is it factually correct and supported by numerous reliable sources? If so, I'm sure it's fine to include - Alison 08:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- It is factually correct in that she expressed that opinion on several occasions in her weekly column, which subsequently gathered some attention elsewhere. I think it is a notable opinion that she has expressed and since the article mentions her stance on the hijab, it should be included. Best, O lockers (talk) 08:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  - And it is also true that her position is in precise accord with church teaching, iterated by Pope Francis. We already state she follows church teachings - I am unsure that we need to then add that she believes in Transubstantiation and the like going through every controversial doctrine. Collect (talk) 12:56, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
    - You're right. But she has dedicated a number of articles to the issue of abortion so I assume this counts as a notable view. As it stands the article mentions another notable view with regards the hijab so I think it should stay. Best, O lockers (talk) 20:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
      - It would be notable if she opposed the Church on an issue -- it is not notable that a person who strongly follows Church teachings actually strongly follows Church teachings. Collect (talk) 21:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
        It is notable when she's a spokesperson, taking part in numerous media debates, and devoting numerous newspaper columns to espousing her views, especially around the time of controversial votes and referenda. Bastun 00:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Radio interview reference

I am unable to find anything in WP:RS that states that a transcript is necessary in order for a radio broadcast to be used as a reference. What RS actually says is "The term "published" is most commonly associated with text materials, either in traditional printed format or online. However, audio, video, and multimedia materials that have been recorded then broadcast, distributed, or archived by a reputable party may also meet the necessary criteria to be considered reliable sources. Like text sources, media sources must be produced by a reliable third party and be properly cited. Additionally, an archived copy of the media must exist. It is convenient, but by no means necessary, for the archived copy to be accessible via the Internet."

I am therefore going to revert Collect's removal of the Marian Finucane show reference. I will also add in the word "now" to "supports civil partnerships" as that wasn't always the case, per published Iona documents. Bastun 13:13, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Pray tell -- what are the exact words in the radio programme which support the claims you wish to use it for? Collect (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I can't speak for Alison, but for me it'd be the large part of the interview where O'Brien outlines her reasons for opposition to same-sex marriage. I'm not going to type it all out, I don't have that kind of time. Listen to it, or alternatively, there are commercial transcription services. Bastun 13:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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