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:Go fuck. Removing discussions of other users is abuse of wikipedia. You have very nice position: replace content with bullshit, deny discussing it violating wikipedia rules (] you should not edit or delete the content/comments, even if comment is rude). You can always do it because strighforward qualification of your activity is a "personal attack". One criminal deed justifies the other. That is a very nice position. Invitation to "discuss mr. Somebody crap" means that crap/vandalism is discussed. This inevitably casts bad light upon its proponent. The fact that you interpret it as personal attack means that you is vandal yourself (you will take it personally) and not going to discuss the content, that you is not somewone who deserves the right to judge the civil disputes. Therefore, you start acting in this role. Only criminals demand "tolerance" towards the crap around. This helps the crap go on. Not surprising that you have missed the target in your verification link request. Not to speak that demanding verification links for illustration is just another nonsense, the idiotic statement that you defend provided no verification links. Despite it is obvious nonsense, you have made it undebatable by other, dirty, means. --] (]) 10:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC) :Go fuck. Removing discussions of other users is abuse of wikipedia. You have very nice position: replace content with bullshit, deny discussing it violating wikipedia rules (] you should not edit or delete the content/comments, even if comment is rude). You can always do it because strighforward qualification of your activity is a "personal attack". One criminal deed justifies the other. That is a very nice position. Invitation to "discuss mr. Somebody crap" means that crap/vandalism is discussed. This inevitably casts bad light upon its proponent. The fact that you interpret it as personal attack means that you is vandal yourself (you will take it personally) and not going to discuss the content, that you is not somewone who deserves the right to judge the civil disputes. Therefore, you start acting in this role. Only criminals demand "tolerance" towards the crap around. This helps the crap go on. Not surprising that you have missed the target in your verification link request. Not to speak that demanding verification links for illustration is just another nonsense, the idiotic statement that you defend provided no verification links. Despite it is obvious nonsense, you have made it undebatable by other, dirty, means. --] (]) 10:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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The individual material gain is considered lelgitimate, even praiseworthy driving force of modern industrial civilization . I cannot imagine how the protrusion of a company in wikipedia will not serve its commenrtial purposes. --Javalenok 18:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Uhh, umm, okay. Whatever that meant. :-)
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I had to delete your text in Talk:Web brigades.

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Just to note: User:Mikkalai is a "sock puppet of Altenmann" --Javalenok (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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Power Factor

Hi! I was just reviewing the article on power factor. If indeed "EPSMA guide to EN 61000-3-2 says not a word about switching regulators" then Wtshymansk should not have re-inserted the part about switching regulators you took out. I could not simply revert his changes, though, because I found some of the wording you used elsewhere in your edit hard to understand.

Could you do me a favor and post a new section on the power factor talk page that lists a few of the areas where you have identified errors? I am pretty good at wording things, and I believe that if we work together we can arrive at a version that is both clear and technically correct. Thanks! Guy Macon 02:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, to favor the posting I must be in power to stop the Wtshymansk. Yet, I would be glad to clarify what is unclear. Basically, for a cheaper design, the switching regulators mostly work in DC-DC mode. These are the plain rectifiers (AC-DC) that cause the non-linear consumption. Non-switching power supplies also include the rectification blocks. For instance, I can easily imagine a transformer-based voltage reductor + rectifier at the output, which will produce the same spikes of current consumption. Therefore, it is distracting to blame the switching elements.
Yet, the distraction is supported by a reference to EU authority. I could not believe that the regulations are so narrow-minded. The EN 61000-3-2 seems inaccessible, but, EPSMA's guide makes no special concern for the switchers in its review -- everything that is above 75W must care about harmonic distortions.
BTW, claiming that "power companies loose money on heating the transmission wires due to energy traveling forth and back" is wrong. In fact, no current is returned to the utility because of non-linear load. Moreover, drawing power at higher voltages is more efficient. In the beginning, EPSMA's guide states that PFC is desired not because of the energy transportation efficiency rather because of the stresses and the lifetime of the distribution networks. I addressed this importance in Old revision of Power factor with an explanatory link.
I wonder the people like Wtshymansk, who arrogantly looks for stupid formalities to fight the essence. Thanks. --Javalenok (talk) 14:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

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Glasnost

Hello there. I've just reverted your additions to this article, as they seemed to me to be blatantly non-neutral. All contributions to Misplaced Pages, even 'criticism' sections of articles, must comply with the neutral point of view policy, and not promote a particular argument. Also, generally the stronger the assertions you're making, the better sources you need for it. Content like what you were adding would need to be supported by more and better reliable sources. I hope this helps you understand where you were going wrong. Thanks for reading. Robofish (talk) 17:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Michael Parenti: "You complain that I am not balanced not because I give you only one point of view. Your problem is because I give you another." Thank you for confirming this statement with illustration and my point also where I say that the strong anti-communist liberal myths dominate in the mainstream only because of the denial to debunk them. --Javalenok (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

September 2011

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on September 11 attacks‎. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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You are clearly edit-warring, and your edit summaries indicate that you have an issue with neoconservatives. Your next revert will be your fourth: discuss this on the talkpage, as you are supposed to, rather than reverting. Acroterion (talk) 19:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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It is nice to see how people having problems with neocons revert my edit without discussing and blame me in having problems with neocons, reverting and not discussing! --Javalenok (talk) 07:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
So you think everyone who disagrees with you is a neocon? Funny. I'd stop the personal attacks and assumptions of bad faith now. Toa Nidhiki05 12:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
No. I do not think so. I think you is an idiot. --Javalenok (talk) 17:07, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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Those who revert without discussion, blame me in reverting without discussion. Those who come to my journal to personally attack me (saying that I think stupid things, which I did not given rise to) blame me that I personally attack em. We live in perverted society. --Javalenok (talk) 15:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
The point is that you called Nidhiki an idiot earlier. This kind of attitude will get you banned on Misplaced Pages. Please do not make personal attacks on people in future (even if you believe that they are doing the same to you). – Richard BB 16:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
"The point is that you called Nidhiki an idiot earlier." Where? He came first and started to attribute me absurd ideas, without cause from my side. This is how idiots attack people. It would not be big deal. But, saying that this behaviour is normal is demand to counter the truth. This hits much much stronger. Not to say that I bear oppression from the people strongly committed to protect Misplaced Pages from the movement for truth. Ok, next time I will give him a chance. --Javalenok (talk) 09:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I think you is an idiot.

That is what you said, Javalenok. You seem to think everything on wikipedia is a conspiracy run by 'neocons', and try to apply that term to anyone who dislikes you're edits. I would be very careful doing this, as personal attacks are valid grounds for being blocked. Rather than holding bad faith against anyone who disagrees with you, try and constructively contribute to discussions here. Toa Nidhiki05 12:18, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

You repeatedly incapable to understand what I say and go on imputing me absurd ideas. I asked not to do this two times. Thank you for confirming your ill behavior once more. --Javalenok (talk) 13:04, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
How is it ill behavior? Like most people, I don't appreciate being called an 'idiot'. Instead of attacking people, why not participate? Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
09:13, 17 Sept, by "giving a chance", I mean that a person who comes to his opponent and starts an attack by imputing nonsense to the opponent. Perhaps it is a temporary failure. We must give him a chance to revise and correct himself. Three times I helped, asking not to attribute his nonsense conjectures to other people who never implied them. He systematically ignores my remarks and goes on, begging for some participation at that. Nobody stated that I call somebody "ill behaving" because he does not like it. This is new absurd idea of this person imputed to me. I do not know which participation is wanted, but no participation is possible with person who, instead of reading, demonstrates his ill behaviour over and over again. --Javalenok (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Toa Nidhiki05 12:25, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Dear Javalenok, I would have liked to write to you directly but there is no link to reach you by E-mail in your toolbox. I must therefore be prudent about what I say on your talk page because I have been "banned from editing all articles which relate to the September 11 attacks, broadly interpreted, as well as their talk pages, and from any discussion of that topic on other pages." User_talk:Oclupak#9.2F11_topic_ban
I just want to say that I greatly appreciated something you wrote on Sept. 13 at 19:03 (UTC). I managed to get a glimpse of that bit of information, which was complete news to me, in spite of the fact that it was deleted 38 minutes later.
I would have liked to discuss this matter further, which obviously I cannot do here without incurring the risk of a total ban from wikipedia. If you wish, please contact me at my E-mail address which is availble in my toolbox. To preserve your anonimity, you could also enable the "E-mail this user" link in your toolbox.
My purpose is to try to cool you down because I wouldn't like you to suffer the same fate I have by being barred from contributing any more worthwhile info on the subject that I am not allowed to discuss here. Cheers. Oclupak (talk) 15:25, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Your (reverted, and for good reason) edit to Oscilloscope, and your comments to W.

The bandwidth of bandwdith-limited systems is almost always quoted in terms of the 3 dB down point (which is equivalent to a voltage drop of 0.707 from nominal). It is perfectly possible and expected for the response of an amplifier to be flat (or practically so) until shortly before that point. If you assume the rolloff is 3 dB/octave (which would be a very shallow rolloff for a scope vertical amp), then if your bandwidth (really the 3dB down point) is quoted at 300 MHz, then attenuation is negligible at 150 MHz (one octave down from 300 MHz) and you can assume a "flat" response below that. In practice the rolloff will be considerably steeper and so you can count on flat response extending correspondingly higher. Bandwidth is nearly always quoted this way because quoting the point at which response drops "just a little bit" from nominal is both vague and impractical. Jeh (talk) 22:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Why are the bandwidth-limited systems almost always quoted in terms of down point if their response is flat? Why to limit the bandwidth for a device that has flat response? How can a flat line curve down? IMO, it cannot. The only "good reason" is the complete nonsense. OK? The very first search in google tells everybody that an ideal "flat" frequency response means that the microphone is equally sensitive to all frequencies. Is the microphone bandwidth-limited? Obviously, it is. Yet, the article says explicitly that "flat response" is only in our minds or range but we know that "flat" is not really flat. Enclosing "flat response" into the quotation marks, reminds this to us. Even yourself use the quotation marks to say "flat" as joke. It means that response is not flat in general, especially outside the region. We just pretend it is but you play too long and so heavily that you started to deny the reality. Now, if you go on, you will never be able to explain why do you need the oscilloscope bandwidth, why do you limit the device bandwidth if it is really flat. I could not understand this for many years reading the "perfectly reasonable" WP article. Only stupid second person outside WP could address this clearly and resolve the mystery. Finally, Wtshymanski acts as evil advocate -- he deletes the discussions without archiving it, which is considered as misbehaviour in WP. Should we warn him or he will delete this warning also, automatically? The masters of WP are allowed to. --Javalenok (talk) 00:25, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
1) Nobody expects any signal-handling path in the real world to have a NON-bandwidth limited response. Hence "flat" always means "within stated bandwidth limits," regardless of anything you find on the web or how you interpret it. (It is quite possible for a device to not be anywhere close to "flat" within its stated bandwidth limits, particularly where a wide tolerance is part of the spec, as in all practical loudspeaker designs.)
1a) Similar uses occur in everyday speech. The "mesa" I live on is considered "flat" but that does not mean it doesn't have steep sides! Nor does it mean the top of the mesa is perfectly flat; of course it isn't.
2) I do not put "flat" in quote marks to indicate a joke, but as shorthand for "within stated bandwidth limits, as is understood by any reasonable person with more than three seconds of practical experience, unless they are off on a tear about the word "flat" or are being unreasonably argumentative, or both."
3) "Why do you limit the device bandwidth"? Because, one, it is impossible to NOT do so (all signal paths have a bandwidth limit, if only due to parasitic capacitance and inductance), and two, because not every scope buyer has unlimited funds. The wider the bandwidth that you implement, the higher your component and manufacturing costs. It is not uncommon to find successive models, such as (from history) the Tek 455, 465, and 475, that are nearly identical except for vertical bandwidth (60, 100, and 200 MHz respectively, IIRC) and price. So you buy the scope that has the bandwidth you need; that way the audio engineer doesn't have to spend for a 1 GHz digital scope, as there are far cheaper (but lower bandwidth) models available. (The lowest bandwidth "serious" scopes these days are at about 20 MHz because it just does not save much cost to go lower than that.)
3a) Heck, even probe costs go up as bandwidth goes up (and for good reason, this isn't just gouging by the manufacturer). "Standard" probes these days are good to about 100 MHz. If you need to handle higher frequencies than that, you have to spend more for your probes... A lot more if you're in the GHz range.
4) Deleting comments from your own user talk page is NOT considered "misbehavior", the item you linked refers to article talk pages. See WP:ARCHIVE:

Archiving one's own user talk page is optional; some users simply blank the page, as the history is kept available for future reference, but this is not considered the best practice (as it makes things more difficult to find and link).

In fact, on the page you linked, the following is among the stated exceptions for "do not edit others' comments":

Simply deleting others' comments on your talk page is permitted, but most editors prefer archiving.

I do not believe you will get much support for the notion that "not considered the best practice" is synonymous with "bad behavior". And regardless of your opinion of Wtshymanski, please remember WP:AGF. Jeh (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
At first, cost does not explain anything. You try to downplay the fact that oscilloscope's sensitivity degrades at practical frequencies where it can be useful. By such long monologue on prices and costs you try to conceal the fact that osc. has non-flat response in reality. You say that it is not flat, therefore prices, hence it is flat. This is how magic of manipulating words works. Secondly, our group of graduated digital HW engeneers had very difficult time when we needed to buy a scope. Nobody could understand the meaning of BW at all, no matter in 3 seconds. We looked for a digital osc. and nobody could understand what it has to do with the bandwidth, the bits per second, when spec. already provides us the samples per second. We know that the digital devices have a clock and cannot operate faster. That is the limit. What else? Why do we need some BW additionally? It is not obvious at all that signal can be Fourier-decomposed and osc. still can measure higher frequency components with reduced sensitivity. This is a big surprise. Today, majority of professional EEs think in terms of digital sampling and it takes time to turn to analoge knowledge and refresh it. Do you laugh at this incompetence and stand against Misplaced Pages:MTAA? Should WP be written by serious contributors, experts like you for other experts, or WP should tie up things for mundane people? How can not flat be nothing but flat? --Javalenok (talk) 10:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I think you need to be more concerned with learning how things are, rather in arguing for your current view of things or for your current confusion.
Cost explains many things in this world, my friend. And I'm not trying to "downplay" or "conceal" anything. The user base for these instruments is expected to understand that no real-world system exhibits a perfectly flat frequency response (even over a stated bandwidth), that high-end instruments will exhibit a "reasonably" flat response (usually to within less than 1 dB) within the stated bandwidth, and that a bandwidth spec in instruments usually refers to the 3dB down point. Such info is normally taught in EE102 (AC circuits), the second course in the usual EE curriculum. Yes, these principles are still relevant even if you're (supposedly) working solely in the digital domain.
I agree with you that the article (which does not, by the way, claim anything about "flat" response; scope specs don't claim they're "flat" either) should explain the bandwidth issues better, particularly in regard to digital scopes. To answer your question on that point, per Nyquist, the sample rate divided by two does determine the absolute maximum frequency the ADC could accept without aliasing. However, there is always going to be a preamp, a voltage divider network, and an anti-aliasing filter in front of that ADC, and that circuitry will have a bandwidth limit. (Implementing a limited bandwidth is in fact what the anti-aliasing filter is for.) This limit will usually be considerably less than half the sample rate, on the order of 10:1 rather than 2:1. For example a sample rate of 1 Gsample/s would imply a maximum usable frequency, per Nyquist, of just below 500 MHz. But it is more common to see 1 Gsample/s scopes with a 100 MHz analog bandwidth (see for example the Tek TPS2000 series). This is because to go all the way to just below the Nyquist limit (500 MHz) would require an antialising filter with a very steep rolloff just before 500 MHz. This would commonly be called a "brickwall" filter - the response curve is (pretty much) flat to just below 500 MHz and then figuratively speaking hits a "brick wall". But brickwall filters, particularly ones designed to work at fractional-GHz frequencies, create undesirable artifacts within the passband. Instead digital scopes use a gentler (but still fairly steep) filter and quote a bandwidth (3 dB down point) of 100 MHz. The response will of course not stop abruptly at 100 MHz, but will roll off to 500 MHz (by which it will be cut off essentially completely). Using a gentler rolloff, with more than two octaves to get to the desired cutoff frequency, avoids artifacts that a steeper filter would create. Again, I agree that the article could explain these issues better than it does.
Not meaning to confuse you further, but it is possible for a digital scope to measure signals with frequency greater than the Nyquist limit, sometimes many times greater. This is done with a technique called "equivalent time sampling." It works only on repetitive signals -- it doesn't work for one-shot signals. I'm not going to detail that here, but you can look it up.
I do not laugh at incompetence, but I do sometimes despair over it. The fact that you have degreed EEs who are unfamiliar with the fact that a digital scope will have an analog amplifier and etc. behind the input jacks and this circuitry must have some bandwidth limit, or with bandwidth being quoted in terms of the 3dB rolloff point, or with the fact that an ADC utterly requires a bandwidth-limited input, suggests that their curricula were sadly lacking in practical matters. Bandwidth limits (and transmission line effects, which are related) are most certainly of concern in digital systems; if you are unaware of them, you can send perfectly good digital signals down a wire and receive nothing but noise at the other end. Jeh (talk) 09:38, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
I've edited the bandwidth section of the article to include the analog bw aspects of digital scopes. If you have further questions or comments it would probably be more productive if you posted them to that article's talk page - then many can help edit the article to be more informative on these points. Jeh (talk) 23:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure that computer engineering is the same as EE and everybody is educated as EE. Anyway, we had the communication course, telling something about non-equal transfer of frequencies. Yet, only once I heard the 10x vs 2x Nyquist for logic analyzers in (digital) Microporcessor Systems course, in discussion of timing (not level sensetivity) resolution. And, there was nothing about signal level sensitivity/bandwidth. I do not understand why you are so scared of referencing this aspect and disregard the Misplaced Pages:MTAA. Fortunately, there are web sites in the Internet that do not. --Javalenok (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Have you looked at the revisions I made to the bandwidth section of the Oscilloscope article? If you have and you think the coverage is still insufficient, please make your comments on that article's talk page. Then others can help edit it and, we hope, answer your further objections. As for your specific comments above, I do not understand why you seem insistent on framing this as, previously, me "concealing" things and now me being "scared". Because of this insistence of yours on making this a personal issue, I'm done here. Attributing editorial opinions to personal issues is not something that has a place on Misplaced Pages. Jeh (talk) 12:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

You persistently stand against the complete, vanishing response picture (in all frequencies). Now you say that we cannot discuss this your position because it is personal. I see a bit of clarification in your last edit. But, what is the point if response is flat and article is dedicated for EEs? You also have added a section on equivalent-time sampling. However, instead of addressing the issue of analogue sensitivity drop, it does quite the opposite -- it enforces the misleading digital view. Saying that we can use the undersampling technique with reconstruction of the periodic signals (behind the BW) adds to the opinion that response is flat at and behind the BW and it is the notorious digital timing (horizontal performance) is the only issue. Yes, the article you reference literally says that we can overcome the BW limit with "wider bandwidth" advantage. So, clearly attenuation seems not happending with frequency. Finally, anybody living in the market economy understand that difficult solutions are more costly. You tell that there is no need to include the obvious things and bring the cost argument over and over again. It is especially odd when we start speaking in terms of natural units already, what makes the things costly. Cost do not add to understanding of the physical topic that we consider. People just need to understand what is BW and which measurment performance they need. Do not worry, they will be able to compare the prices themselves afterwards. The cost here is only used to overly complicate the explanations and thereby fraud the logic, as happens in the derivation: sensitivity is degrading, therefore costs, therefore it is constant. That is why costs are important in this discussion. They wrest the vanishing into a stable and flat constant. I moved the discussion into the article's talk page. --Javalenok (talk) 14:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Is stupid. Но пасаран.--Milowent 12:12, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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, proclaim anti-semitismNazi always want me to refrain to call them nazi. I do not see the millions of wikipedia editors, who are nazi. I se Львівське user, who calls nazi all the russians, right after your message, just because russains are anti-fascist, who are the only ones who stood against the nazi coup in Ukraine. Yet, nobody is going moderate him. Because he is a true nazi. I understand that the nazi and the West, who funded and supported the recent nazi coup in Kiev, feel it very inconvenient when sombody points at them as nazi. But learn what is the "right sector", whose members welcomes each other by Hitler salute, learn who is Bandera, learn what is Svoboda party, how they carry swastica, white power and slaughtering the russians during Maidan and marches in Ukrainan cities, destroying Lenin's monuments and banning russian language by ministries who claim that russian speakers in Ukraine are degenerate and must be imprisioned over the Ukraine (whose eastern part was annexed from Russia in 1920 by Bolsheviks), how West spread the nazi virus from Львів, how "dictator" Yanukovich refused to arrest the opposition leaders, allowing the nazi opposition to kill his Ukraine milicia officers on the streets, while nazi started to arrested the opposition leaders (we are speaking about Guborev) after seizing the power by force rather than by election. So we have all attribtes of fascism: antisimetism, anticommunism, russphobia, dictatorship, fascist marches, invoking the mass slaughters - everythign to build a bloody right wing dicatorship nation. This is nazism. The true offense is from your double standards and your support of nazi here, in the Misplaced Pages. --Javalenok (talk) 08:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Misplaced Pages is not the internet in general. Again, regardless of all the above propaganda which comes from both sides, calling wikipedia editors nazis is a very bad idea.--Milowent 13:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
What of the above comes from the "both sides"? Unsubstantiated nonsense is offense. Refrain it everywhere, not only in Misplaced Pages. You ignore the nazism in one side, blame it on the other and demand that the other side silently swallow that? --Javalenok (talk) 15:00, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Reliable sources? For what? Gidence for citation? What the sick joke! I have no censored words. --Javalenok (talk) 14:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Reliable sources for everything that is challenged—see wp:verifiability. Also, please note that this is the English version of Misplaced Pages. Perhaps you use Google translate to translate text from your own language to English, but what you say here makes no sense to me. - DVdm (talk) 14:27, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I translate badly myself, without support of translators. But, that is a twist. You lead astray from what and why needs to be verified. Should I verify every word in my edit? --Javalenok (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
See wp:verifiability. - DVdm (talk) 15:16, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
RTFM is inadequate answer when you are asked to be specific. --Javalenok (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Stop your nonsense. Bad phrasing challange cannot be supported by verifability. That is nonsense. --Javalenok (talk) 09:11, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Please stop referring to bad phrasing. The problem is wp:verifiability—see edit summary in my revert. Go to the article talk page and discuss—see wp:BRD. - DVdm (talk) 09:18, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Gravitational energy. This contravenes Misplaced Pages's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. - DVdm (talk) 12:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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I have nothing to say to people who invite me to discussing instead of reverting. Because these are the people who revert instead of discussing. --Javalenok (talk) 14:22, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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Floating point

I removed your comment at Talk:Floating point because it had far too much commentary on another editor, including personal attacks in the heading and the body. Please stick to commenting on content when using an article talk page. If the issue is this change, please just explain why that text should be added to the article and include any sources for verification. Johnuniq (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Go fuck. Removing discussions of other users is abuse of wikipedia. You have very nice position: replace content with bullshit, deny discussing it violating wikipedia rules (WP:TPO you should not edit or delete the content/comments, even if comment is rude). You can always do it because strighforward qualification of your activity is a "personal attack". One criminal deed justifies the other. That is a very nice position. Invitation to "discuss mr. Somebody crap" means that crap/vandalism is discussed. This inevitably casts bad light upon its proponent. The fact that you interpret it as personal attack means that you is vandal yourself (you will take it personally) and not going to discuss the content, that you is not somewone who deserves the right to judge the civil disputes. Therefore, you start acting in this role. Only criminals demand "tolerance" towards the crap around. This helps the crap go on. Not surprising that you have missed the target in your verification link request. Not to speak that demanding verification links for illustration is just another nonsense, the idiotic statement that you defend provided no verification links. Despite it is obvious nonsense, you have made it undebatable by other, dirty, means. --Javalenok (talk) 10:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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