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Michael Everson (2nd Nomination)

Call for Second VfD It's time we voted on nuking this a second time, this time noticing these points:

• Textbook violation of WP:VAIN
• Michael Everson himself reverts any modification to the page from his own personal writing, be it addition or subtraction, even when factual information is added. He will most predictably be a part of this discussion and the greatest opponent to deletion. His username is Evertype
• Autobiography is highly frowned upon and sets a poor example to other editors
• Since Everson himself states he is one of the numerous co-authors of the Unicode standard, maybe he should be merged with a small portion of a larger page listing all of the Unicode authors.
• The links at the bottom of the page to evertype.com are a commercial site where he is advertising products, so by definition, him writing his own article about himself and his products on Misplaced Pages is nothing more than thinly veiled spam
• This article is a fine example of what user pages are for, and all of its content should be on User:Evertype instead of here.
• This article does not cite any sources that are not primary. He has a source cited of his own personal website and two links to interviews with himself.
• While this article has been vandalized numerous times by trolls, it is also important to note that reverting vandalization is not justification of content and we can't turn a blind eye to the fact that Evertype has made a mockery of Misplaced Pages not only in his original violation by writing the article himself but through continued reversion to this vanity page to this very day. He is not remorseful in action despite numerous "apologies".

- --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 15:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

One more thing, since Everson would always rather waste time addressing the author than the issue, I would like to state ahead of time that I'm not a sockpuppet and that I nearly never contribute anything to Misplaced Pages whatsoever, which doesn't make any of the above points less valid. Thank you. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 15:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Fixing the header so it doesn't break the topic list. No vote.—Coredesat talk. o.o;; 15:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I see media coverage. He looks at least marginally notable. See no reason to delete. Tom Harrison 15:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep, possible bad-faith nomination, and possible WP:POINT violation. I don't really see anything wrong with the article. Furthermore, I see nothing that fails WP:NPOV. —Coredesat talk. o.o;; 15:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you aware the author wrote the article himself and reverts all changes made to it? That's not NPOV at all. This is precisely the sort of article that Misplaced Pages vanity page guidelines are specifically against--SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 16:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment I see no evidence of that. If he's notable enough (which he seems to be, he meets WP:BIO), we can ignore the vanity guidelines. As for the edits, he has only made three edits to this article this year. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 16:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep -the last AFD established there was no consensus to delete. It sounds as if you need to go to WP:RFC or WP:RFM if he is protecting the article. Yomangani 15:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds to me like you need to read the discussion page of the article, where he rants and raves about what a celebrity he is --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 16:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• weak keep I complete agree with SayWhatYouMeanWhatYouSay, in so far as this page is clearly a violation of WP:VAIN. Just look at how eager he is to talk about himself on the talk page! It is obvious that Evertype is using this as a second userpage, and that is a bad example to other users. However, he does seem just notible enough for his own page. Would not oppose a Merge with Unicode if that was consenus. Thε Halo 15:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The actions of a user are a different issue than whether or not the article is notable. Seems to pass WP:BIO. --Craig Stuntz 15:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but are you making a joke? In WP:BIO guidelines is a direct quote: "Autobiography -- Has this been written by the subject or someone closely involved with the subject?" Then I direct you to Talk:Michael Everson and tell me he's not the worst offender to WP:VAIN in the history of Misplaced Pages. This is precisely the sort of self-aggrandizing garbage that the editing guidelines are for. Also, an autobiography is by definition not NPOV because it is from the point of view of the subject. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay (talk • contribs) .

You fail to mention that your quote comes from the section headed, "Other tests for inclusion that have been proposed (but haven't necessarily received consensus support)". There is no rule against autobiography, and I do not agree that autobiographies are by definition POV. When I said, "seems to pass WP:BIO," I was of course referring to the primary guidelines at the top of the page, and not the alternative proposals which haven't yet reached consensus. --Craig Stuntz 16:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

What about the cruft about him being a Buddhist, a polyglot, part Irish and other stuff like that? That's uncyclopedic and belongs on his userpage or better yet, MySpace. If I for some bizarre reason were researching Unicode contributors and authors (and there's a whole lot of them but Everson likes to make it sound like there's a grand total of two Unicode authors in the world) would I need to know all this? --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 16:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment That can just be removed. AFD is not a cleanup tag. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 16:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

If it were that easy, I wouldn't have gone to all this trouble. I've attempted to edit that cruft out and revert wars between me, him and his sockpuppets start. He doesn't allow a point of view that is not the Michael Everson point of view. With Everson, you get your cake and you eat it too. He's advertising on Misplaced Pages for free, he has his resume on Misplaced Pages for free, and he's the god of his own article. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 16:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

In that case you need to list this article at WP:RFC, not here. Yomangani 16:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or Merge with Unicode on the basis of no non-primary sources. --Weevlos 16:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)