Misplaced Pages

I wont drop this 3RR warring report. Stop twisting it. You clearly demmanded on my talk page: "Please can you revert your most recent edit. Both your sources are unreliable in the context of being primary sources and Lone Sentry is shaky as a source. Please revert your edit and take it to the Tiger Talk Page" 15:42, 29 March 2015 . 3 Minutes later you did it by yourself, without giving myself the opportunity to convince you, that you're wrong! See edit on Tiger I page: No consensus talk attempted by IP Revision as of 15:45 , 29 March 2015. You gave me no time to start any discussion on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.187.250.204 (talk)

Your technical abilities are excellent for a "new user" also. Hmmm. You had 24 minutes between those reverts. NOT 3. Dropping off a 1 line message on my T/P would have taken 30 seconds. Your refusal to drop the stick, indicates a potentially problematic temperament. And your err, economy with the truth is not helping here. I would watch out for WP:BOOMERANG. Irondome (talk) 18:29, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

You gave me 3 minutes (!) from the comment of my talk page to the revert on the Article. I was already writting a lengthy comment on my talk page before you interupted me again by calling me: No consensus talk attempted by IP Revision as of 15:45. So i droped and searched for some possibilities to report you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.187.250.204 (talk) 18:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Your 6 reverts in 24 hours are still on subject. No WP:BOOMERANG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.187.250.204 (talk) 18:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Ummm. Your interest in those is "interesting" too. Even though they have nothing to do with the case in hand, as I was dealing with a very similar situation. If I screwed up, I hold up my hand, but to the community, not to you certainly. Irondome (talk) 18:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Precisely. You have attempted no communication with me in over 4 hours, but "searched for some possibilities to report you". I think that speaks volumes. Irondome (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Why I should? You stigmatized me after 3 Minutes! You didn't let me to express myself on my talk page, before you took prejudicial reason No consensus talk attempted by IP to make the revert again. Of course I dont want to attempt any communication, with such behavior. You simply could wait more, I could have send you the report in pdf and you would have seen that you are simply wrong. But yeah, keep on twisting anythin in your favor with your biased POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.187.250.204 (talk) 18:49, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I gave you a polite note on WP:BRD, you were not "stigmatised". In other words, you refused to communicate and you are using that as a rather weak hook. I have no POV on a piece of inanimate metal. I do have a POV on editors who refuse to communicate. It is the worst behaviour pattern on WP and causes the most stress, and directly leads to crap like this. Irondome (talk) 19:10, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

• Result: Article semiprotected due to edit warring by IP-hopper from Manchester. Cf. WP:SOCK. EdJohnston (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Winkelvi reported by User:PBS (Result: Voluntary article restriction)

Page: Robert Hastings Hunkins (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Winkelvi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. Revision as of 22:54, 28 March 2015
2. Revision as of 01:44, 29 March 2015
3. Revision as of 01:57, 29 March 2015
4. Revision as of 02:29, 29 March 2015 (the removed this addition: 02:28, 29 March 2015)
5. Revision as of 02:44, 29 March 2015

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: diff

Comments:

See user:WordSeventeen exchange with User:Winkelvi at User talk:WordSeventeen#Biography MOS diff

After I read that, I placed advise in the section Talk:Robert Hastings Hunkins#WP:UNDUE with a list of the edits that had been made by different editors since 22:00 yesterday. In that list it was clear that User:Winkelvi had broken the 3RR on five or six occasions. As User:Winkelvi was blocked for 24 hours by user:Swarm on the 13 March for 24 hours for breach of the three-revert rule, I expected User:Winkelvi to show contrition and promise not to repeat the behaviour. I did not think it necessary to report it to this notice board at that time because the last edit by User:Winkelvi to the article had taken place at 02:44, 29 March 2015‎.

However User:Winkelvi reply to my posting shows that User:Winkelvi still has no idea what this rule means (diff):

"How is it possible an administrator doesn't know that reverts of disputed content are not what makes for edit warring when it comes to 3RR? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:31, 29 March 2015 (UTC)"

I will leave it to an uninvolved editor to decide what to do with an editor who has recently been blocked for breach of 3RR who writes "reverts of disputed content are not what makes for edit warring". -- PBS (talk) 20:07, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

• Comments Interesting how I have been discussing the disputed content on the talk page (here and here ) and have not edited the article in question for about 18 hours (the reporting party has edited there 6 times since my last edit there, and the latest just 6 hours ago - see here ) but I'm being reported for edit warring, at this time, almost a day later. I've even been trying to get opinions on this content dispute from other parties (see here ). The intent by the reporting party seems to the hope for punitive action rather than prevention as well as silencing me in the content dispute and keeping me from editing the article further. I smell serious ownership issues along with dishonesty in this report. Pretty shameful behavior coming from an administrator. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:18, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

• Comment I appreciate that PBS took the time to make this report regarding Winklevi edit warring at the Robert Hastings Hunkins article. I was a bit shocked when Winklevi tried to tell me that all of my edits on that page (7 at the time) were reversions when I pointed out he had done four reversions in a very short period of time.

From here Please learn what 4 reversions in less than 24 hours (between 02:44, March 29, 2015 ‎and 22:54, March 28, 2015‎ means on the article Robert Hastings Hunkins. WordSeventeen (talk) 9:54 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

Is that a threat? Because, if it is, I see seven reversions at that same article for you . -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 9:57 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

While you are please trying to learn please read over the difference between an edit and a reversion. LOL WordSeventeen (talk) 10:00 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

I posted a warning about edit warring on the talk page of Winklevi here but he quickly deleted the notice from his talk page. At that point Winklevi had been warned about edit warring by myself and the admin PBS. I would like to point out as illustrated n the chart listing of reverts at the article Winklevi had six reverts in a very short time like 4-6 hours. I did do a warning on the talk page on Winklevi hoping they would understand that their edit warring was wrong. I was not sure how to do a report here since I have never filled one out before. If I had known how to do the report I would have done one at the time. I really had no idea that Winklevi had a history of edit warring until I read the report above. The comment above by the user Winklevi that " I smell serious ownership issues along with dishonesty in this report." is false the report was not dishonest at all. It was true and accurate. As for ownership issues, I believe they belong to Winklevi. Thank you. WordSeventeen (talk) 22:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

• Note. The violation of WP:3RR by Winkelvi is clear-cut. The user's apparent lack of insight into what constitutes an edit-warring exemption is surprising given his history. Finally, his reaction to this report evinces at best a lack of maturity, defensively attacking the filer when Winkelvi is in the wrong. That said, the user appears to be saying he will not continue edit-warring. Based only on that comment, I will not block Winkelvi if he will agree to not edit the article for any reason for the next 10 days. Frankly, this is a generous offer considering all the circumstances, but it's up to the user whether he wishes to accept it.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem with this, Bbb23, however, the characterization of my statements in this report are out of context. I'm not going to even bother to post diffs to put it into context, because it's clear to me that because an administrator brought this report here, I'm fighting a losing battle. In fact, I'll go you one better in regard to the article. I won't edit it for longer than 10 days, nor will I give a shit about what a piece of crap article it is. Why? Because PBS won't allow anyone to do anything to it, anyway. Like I said, it's a piece of crap article -- obviously, he wants it to stay a piece of crap article, so if he is so set on owning it, I'll leave him to his ownership of it. But, it would be nice if next time someone reverts one of his edits using Twinkle, he realizes that the canned comments in the edit summary saying "Revert good faith edits..." are not actually telling him he edits in bad faith. Yeah, that actually happened. . -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:51, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Not the most gracious of accepts, but it will have to do. If Winkelvi violates the terms of this agreement, anyone can report the violation either at this noticeboard (linking this report) or on my Talk page. I consider the matter closed.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

As Winkelvi really seems to have no idea what constitutes reversion, there is a real danger of transfer of this behaviour to other articles.

Winkelvi seems to be editing pages which were created by or edited by user:Kbabej (currently blocked). For example Winkelvi put the article Benjamin Hunkins up for deletion on 6 March 2015. Another page created by Kbabej on 28 December 2014,‎ was Autumn Jackson this article has been edited by Winkelvi during the last 24 hours.

Winkelvi's editing of Benjamin Hunkins between the opening of this report and Bbb23's first posting to this section, led user:BoboMeowCat to state on user talk:Winkelvi that "Edit warring on Autumn Jackson You are over 3RR on that article."diff (in fact I do not think Winkelvi was -- see below). However Winkelvi response was not to question the 3RR assertion, but to state "You keep putting incorrect content into a BLP. Do you realize the seriousness and possible liability to Misplaced Pages by doing so?" diff, eventually after further exchanges Winkelvi self reverted, but then negated that self revert by making another edit.

• Winkelvi Between 04:11 and 04:36, 29 March 2015‎ made a number of edits diff
  • BoboMeowCat at 13:29, 29 March 2015 This series of edits was partially reverted
• (1)Wikielvi reverted BoboMeowCat edit at 18:54, 29 March 2015‎
  • BoboMeowCat partial revert over a series of edits between 22:53 and 23:04, 29 March 2015‎
• (2)Wikielvi partial revert at 23:51, 29 March 2015‎
  • Wikielvi made 2 more edits
• Wikielvi self revert at 00:38, 30 March 2015‎ back to the last edit by BoboMeowCat
• (3) Wikielvi diff at 00:38, 30 March 2015 made the next edit to the page which deleted the content of the parents parameter in the Infobox, and this means that the two edits together were another revert of the first revert by BoboMeowCat.

In the last few days I have seen Wikielvi make a bold edit to several different pages which when reverted instead of following the advise on WP:BRD immediately reverts the revert (diffs can be supplied if Winkelvi disputes this). The better course of action would be not to make this revert of a revert to a bold edit, but to follow WP:BRD and discuss the proposed changes on the talk page, (and if consensus proves to be illusive to follow the dispute resolution process).

I would suggest that Winkelvi, should agree that if Winkelvi makes a bold edit that is reverted, either fully or in part, that Winkelvi agrees not to revert the revert but agrees to start a discussion on the talk page of the article and follow the dispute resolution process.

-- PBS (talk) 11:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@PBS: The kind of restriction you're suggesting is a generalized one on Winkelvi's editing of all articles and goes beyond what I believe is my authority to act unilaterally in these circumstances. The appropriate forum to propose such a restriction if you wish to pursue it is WP:ANI or WP:AN.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I think I will wait if others post any additional comments to this section, before considering whether to take it further at this time. -- PBS (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Since I was pinged, I will chime in. Yesterday Winkelvi violated 3RR on Autumn Jackson. I brought this concern to his talk page. It’s a confusing edit history at this point, in part because Winkelvi eventually self reverted in a series of edits, but never indicated agreement to comply with that request on talk page, and he didn’t call it self-revert in edit summary, which would tend to make him look more uncooperative than he actually was, and might lead one to believe the edits I was complaining about were up toward the top when they were lower down. The reverts include more than just the parent info-box content. Anyway, I agree there's a concern here, but currently I’m not seeking any sort of action against Winkelvi, because, at this point, he has self-reverted, and is participating in the various talk discussions on talk:Autumn Jackson which I opened regarding the disputed content. However, I do think PBS's recommendation that if Winkelvi makes a bold edit and it is reverted (either fully or in part) that he not just jump back in and immediately re-revert and instead open a discussion, is a good recommendation.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 14:47, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Bbb23, here's what I know: PBS is unhappy with me and has been for over a week. I'm not surprised he wants more to come from this report and the decision you made. It was my gut feeling from the moment he filed it that it was about punishment rather than prevention (otherwise, why file an edit warring report when any hint of edit warring stopped over 18 hours prior?) He's painted a very one-sided picture of my editing (at Hunkins article as well as the Jackson article) by taking my comments out of context and not providing the whole story (as BoboMeowCat attested to above). On two separate occasions PBS has demanded an apology from me for things that were completely benign and didn't merit an apology. One instance was because he felt the canned response from Twinkle saying "Revert good faith edits by PBS..." was implying he made bad faith edits. I still don't know why that ruffled his feathers so much or why he thought I was accusing him of anything. I also know that when I have made edits at articles he watchlists and guards to keep status quo he has threatened to take me to ANI. He insists BRD should be followed, yet he doesn't have the same requirement for himself -- just those who edit "his" articles. At this point, I have taken all articles I have on my watchlist that are edited by PBS off my watchlist. My hope is I never run into him again because of what I've experienced to be his tendency to fly off the handle about nothing and WP:OWN articles. I have been here long enough to know when someone has placed their territorial ownership seal on an article that it's not worth the hassle as practically everything you try to do will be contested and/or reverted with demands of talking about every little tiny detail on the article talk page. As far as me being more mindful of BRD, yes, I can do that -- I don't need a special sanction or group of watchdogs following me around to make sure it happens. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Wester reported by User:Bretonbanquet (Result: Blocked)

Page: Max Verstappen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Wester (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

6. (further revert after this case was started)

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: (now removed)

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Talk:Max Verstappen#Nationality of drivers

Comments:
Talk:Max Verstappen contains two sections where today I and other editors have attempted to explain why F1 driver Verstappen races under the Dutch flag, but Wester maintains that Verstappen is a Belgian national holding no Dutch passport, and has edit-warred persistently to that effect. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:54, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

No, those were not simple reverts and NOT an edit war but a constant reworking of the text based on real sources. I have sources, Bretonbanquet has not. Also it's a bit bizar that Bretonbanquet makes this report now since the edits were from this after noon with no threat on escalation. --Wester (talk) 23:02, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Consistent, repeated reversion (both straight undo-style and more subtle alteration of text) to support their own poorly-supported claims regarding Verstappen's nationality despite overwhelming weight of evidence that Wester is incorrect. Highly disruptive, and reversions far in excess of 3RR. Pyrope 23:16, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I have clear sources. An interview by his mother and other factual sources such as the FIA rule book. For the interview: . You on the other hand have no sources and you dare to say that I am incorrect?! You don't even speak Dutch to READ the sources.

I even started a discussion on the talk page.

Also point out that in this edit Bretonbanquet even agrees. But wrongly since he implies that Verstappen has dual passport. That's not true. That's why I corrected it in the next edit. Than Bretonbanquet boldly reverted it based on absolutely nothing. Than I made the following edit that is no reversion but more a factual correction of the text based on sources. Also not that I tried to make a compromise: I for instance did not revert the Belgian flag in the infobox. So no, this is not a 3RR case and it's a bit pointless that Bretonbanquet made this request other than silence me to win the discussion based on force rather than arguments. --Wester (talk) 23:31, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I certainly do not need to "silence" you because you lost that argument a long time ago. But you continue to edit war. You call refraining to make an utterly incorrect edit "a compromise", and you fail to understand that "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period." (my bolding). You've disrupted this page, and arguably the talk page as well, all day. I turned a blind eye to 4RR but 5, 6 etc, forget it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

1.There is no edit war since it's not a reversion but an evolution of the text. 2.I stopped editing that page long ago. 3. There is an ongoing discussion which I started on the talk page. So it's not that I'm unwilling to discuss. That did not withhold Pyrope to edit the page and making false and on-sourced statements. 4. Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. Three users against one does not mean you are right. --Wester (talk) 23:58, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

• Blocked – for a period of 24 hours.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

User:66.190.249.214 reported by User:Mann jess (Result: No action)

Page

Talk:Abiogenesis (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

66.190.249.214 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 20:52, 29 March 2015 (UTC) ""
2. 21:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC) ""
3. Consecutive edits made from 21:14, 29 March 2015 (UTC) to 21:14, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
   1. 21:14, 29 March 2015 (UTC) ""
   2. 21:14, 29 March 2015 (UTC) ""
4. 21:15, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654086434 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
5. 21:17, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654086734 by BatteryIncluded (talk)"
6. 21:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654086914 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
7. 21:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC) ""
8. 21:29, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654088045 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
9. 21:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654088239 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
10. 21:33, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654088380 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
11. 21:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654088612 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
12. 21:36, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654088948 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
13. 21:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654089243 by Apokryltaros (talk)"
14. 21:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC) "Undid revision 654089413 by Apokryltaros (talk)"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

Comments:

Two editors warring over the talk page. The ip was amply warned, and kept warring. Not really sure what to recommend be done, so I'm reporting here and to RfPP.   — Jess· Δ♥ 21:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Lead sentence does not meet the standards of Misplaced Pages core content policies

Misplaced Pages was founded on the fundamental principle that its content must fall under certain criteria to be admissible. One criterion is that it must submit to a neutral point of view ( see WP:NPOV ), another is that it must be verifiable. (See WP:VER ) "Abiogenesis is the natural process of life arising from non-living matter such as simple organic compounds" does not meet these standards, whereas "abiogenesis is the hypothetical natural process of life arising from non-living matter such as simple organic compounds" does. Since it is not verifiable that life arose through natural processes, saying so is not a neutral point of view and therefore not acceptable.66.190.249.214 (talk) 21:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Users Apokryltaros and BatteryIncluded continually deleted a suggestion I made on the abiogenesis talk page regarding the statement of a simple, objective fact. Upon resorting to their respective talk pages for further discussion, they also chose to delete rather than discuss it there as well. Even going as far as to claim harrassment for me calling them out on their personal bias.66.190.249.214 (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Comment

The only scientific debate regarding abiogenesis is not "if" it happened, but how. While the proposed chemical mechanisms are hypothetical, it is not so for abiogenesis, as life is factual, an evident empirical phenomenon. The continuous demands to label abiogenesis a "hypothesis" are a chronic recurrence in this scientific WP article. Multiple and similar discussions have happened in the past years regarding the labeling of abiogenesis a "hypothesis": (, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , .

All the dicussions listed above concluded to dismiss it, on the grounds of the cited scientific publications. Several of the requests of labeling it a 'hypothesis' had the ulterior motive of including religion/creationism as an alternate and equally valid scientific explanation for abiogenesis, but were dismissed by the WP community because such religious and philosophical arguments are best presented in non-scientific articles. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

My point is that since abiogenesis itself is a hypothetical processes like you just stated, the lead sentence needs to be changed to reflect this. The statement "abiogenesis is the natural processes..." is not a neutral point of view since it is not verifiable that life arose through natural processes in the first place. The statement "abiogenesis is the hypothetical natural process..." IS a neutral point of view AND a true statement, unlike the former, since no model of abiogenesis at this point in time has been empirically verified.66.190.249.214 (talk) 23:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Nobody knows how gravity and mass came to be; there are hypotheses, explaining the possible mechanisms, but they do not make gravity and mass hypothetical facts. Juggling semantics will not make it less real. I will not discuss science in this venue, besides your semantic arguments have not succeeded in academia or in the US Supreme Court. I don't expect you will produce a reliable reference that may supersede the hundreds of references now cited in the WP article, so I leave this matter in the hands of the administrators instead of entertaining WP:CHEESE. Thank you, BatteryIncluded (talk) 00:40, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

The difference between mass & gravity and abiogenesis is that mass and gravity have been OBSERVED. Speculation and assumption are not science. Testable, observable hypothesis are. That's why we call it the big bang "theory" and the "theory" of evolution. Abiogenesis is no different, and for these reasons it is necessary to change the lead sentence of the article to reflect this fact. Since we are currently unable to explain or describe any natural processes by which living cells could emerge from non-living material, we cannot just assume there is one and call it science. There will be no double-standard in Misplaced Pages articles and since abiogenesis has yet to be empirically verified, it is merely hypothetical at this point in time.66.190.249.214 (talk) 01:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

• Declined. Regardless of the scientific merits of the IP's argument, I don't particularly see any reason they weren't 100% within their rights to post that comment on the talk page. Apokryltaros's repeated deletion of their comment was inappropriate and clearly in violation of the talk page behavioral guidelines. I've unprotected the talk page, as this incident certainly doesn't warrant protection. Mann jess appropriately warned Apokryltaros to stop edit warring and they appear to have done so, thus I see no need for action on this front either. Let's take this opportunity to brush up on WP:TPO, WP:OWN, and WP:BITE. Best regards, Swarm 03:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

User:24.168.220.179 reported by User:GarnetAndBlack (Result: Both blocked)

Page: South Carolina Gamecocks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: 24.168.220.179 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments: Anonymous IP user has been repeatedly asked over the past week to stop tendentiously editing this article without engaging in a discussion on article Talk page to attempt to gain consensus for an edit that does nothing to improve a previously stable article. This leads up to today's edit warring by anon IP in which further warnings were given to cease reversions of article without discussion. Anon IP finally engages on Talk page, but continues to revert, demonstrating no real effort to gain consensus for edits. Anon IP was informed about 3RR, and blatantly reverted afterwards, while still refusing to reasonably discuss on Talk page. Anon IP has also removed 3RR warning from their Talk page, demonstrating that the warning has been noticed, and apparently ignored. Temporary page protection may also be required, as it would appear we are dealing with a stubborn and combative anon IP user.
GarnetAndBlack (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Both of you are edit warring, both of you decided not to discuss issues, and when I finally did start discussion, y'all argued about each other and did not bring up the manual of style, policies, or guidelines. The IP posted three times as often as you have in the thread I started, and you completely ignored a neutral third party's reasoning and failed to provide a policy-based reason for your content preference.

Were I an uninvolved admin, I would give both of you the same treatment, be it warning or block. Both of you have shown serious WP:BATTLEGROUND problems, and you may have shown WP:BITE problems. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

The IP has posted NOTHING of relevance in the Talk thread, but comments about me, and "I know I'm right" statements about their tendentious edits. I have no inclination to waste my time dealing with an anon IP editor whose tone in those comments and in edit summaries thus far has been one of stubborn indifference to Wiki policies or any sort of compromise. But if you want to go to bat for this type of editor here, have at it. GarnetAndBlack (talk) 22:11, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Mostly true (though this one at least directly responded to my third-party findings), and your single post on the talk page ignored my third-party MOS-based argument and made a vague WP:OR argument that football is more important without providing sources.

Technically, once I made an MOS based argument, and you failed to provide any policy, guideline, or source to support alternative arrangements, the consensus became alphabetical order. Both you and the IP were edit warring, both you and the IP used the talk page as a WP:BATTLEGROUND instead of discussing things, and both you and the IP need to back away from the article and let people who have more level heads handle it because neither of you is capable of playing well with others on this topic. It does not matter that he is an IP and you have an account, both of you are in the wrong. As someone with an account, you should actually know better. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

As someone with an account, and years of helping to maintain articles dealing with the University of South Carolina, I've seen far too much of this type of behavior from anonymous IP editors, and I've had my fill. Editing from an anonymous IP is no excuse for not approaching this project with an open, helpful approach, and learning the policies and procedures used here. This IP editor has done neither, and in fact, only chose to parrot back my attempts to elicit some sort of discussion. Like I said, if you want to bend over backwards for this type of all-too-common disruptive editor on Misplaced Pages, be my guest, but don't expect the rest of us to fall in line behind you. GarnetAndBlack (talk) 22:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I propose that both the IP and User:GarnetAndBlack should be blocked. They are both over WP:3RR and neither party appears willing to wait for consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 22:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I propose that you are wrong. I was more than willing to discuss the edits in question here, but anon IP editor showed no inclination for a solid week to do so even when prompted. That's not the basis for me to assume good faith toward an IP that does nothing but revert and claim in edit summaries that their opinion is the only one that matters. GarnetAndBlack (talk) 22:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion either party could avoid a block if they will agree to wait for consensus before reverting again. EdJohnston (talk) 22:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Which I clearly did, after posting a 3RR warning on the anon IP's Talk page. What was the response of anon IP? Why to post the template to my Talk page in retaliation, and immediately revert the article. And here we are. GarnetAndBlack (talk) 22:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Both of you were edit warring without meaningful discussion.

(edit conflict × 2)GarnetAndBlack: If you were willing to discuss matters, you should have started discussion and left a message asking him to discuss it there. If you were willing to discuss matters, you should have made a response to third-party feedback that indicated you actually read said feedback. It is your duty to assume good faith from the IP if their edits could possibly be an attempt to improve the site. Not "only if their edits were an obvious improvement," but "if their edits could possibly be an attempt to improve the site." You have ignored everyone else's feedback in this, which is at least as tendentious as the IP's possibly-ignorant behavior.

(edit conflict × x3)GarnetAndBlack: The account isn't a badge, it's a responsibility. One of those responsibilities includes teaching IP editors how things work here if they don't know. Another responsibility is to pay attention to third-party feedback and gauge responses accordingly. Another is patience, instead of just lashing out with reverts.

Ed: Yeah, blocking both is starting to look necessary, because both of them seem convinced this as a zero-sum game and think that the other's misbehavior excuses their own. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Both editors blocked – for a period of 24 hours. EdJohnston (talk) 00:50, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Haberstr reported by User:My very best wishes (Result: Page protected)

Page: Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Haberstr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. this is revert to previous version by same user from March 25 (same revert on March 25 )
2. this is revert to previous version by same user from March 25 (same revert on March 25 )
3. this is revert to previous version by same user from March 25 (same revert on March 25
4. - again

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: .

He came today and repeated his previous edit war conducted on the same page on March 25. This user was previously blocked for edit war and warned by User:Callanecc about EE discretionary sanctions. My very best wishes (talk) 00:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

• Page protected by Nakon. User also warned about personal attacks. Swarm 03:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I am attempting to place a POV tag at the top of the article. Other users repeatedly violate Misplaced Pages policy by removing it. This is the most contentious, biased article I've ever seen on Misplaced Pages, other than the other articles on recent Ukraine history that the anti-Russia editors maintain control over.Haberstr (talk) 13:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

So, you are telling that you are satisfied by result of your edit warring ? My very best wishes (talk) 15:31, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Emperortikacuti reported by User:Dolescum (Result: Indef)

Page: Second Battle of Tikrit (March 2015) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Emperortikacuti (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments:

Slow edit war over the formatting of numbers in an infobox. User simply refuses to discuss edits and appears to ignore any discussion on their talk page. Would be reporting @EkoGraf: who's been reverting Emperortikacuti aside from the fact I can't blame them for they've tried discussing the matter with Emperortikacuti and been utterly ignored.

Tired of watching this. Dolescum (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Like Dolescum said, I left three messages at Emperortikacuti's talk page, as well as at least a dozen messages (if not more) in the edit summaries, to none of which he replied. I made a compromise proposal, which he ignored, just like he ignored all of the messages. He's only course of action has been to revert every time and reinsert the break in the rows, despite me trying to compromise and make arguments that it was ether redundant since the text was already in another row or that it broke the flow of the text. The reverts would always take place little over a day later or a few days later, but sometimes even within 24 hours. Other editors also tried to revert his edits (I was not the only one) but he reverted them as well. EkoGraf (talk) 16:50, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

This editor has been doing this for weeks, across many, many articles. He needs to stop. RGloucester — ☎ 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

• Blocked indefinitely. This user has failed to communicate in any form during their entire time here on Misplaced Pages, and they've demonstrated they don't plan to start (they've only ever made one talk page comment but it's proof enough that they're capable of communicating in English). User may be unblocked if and when they assure us that they'll change their ways in the future, but unless that happens I don't see their behavior as being tolerable in a collaberative project. Communication is key, as they say. Swarm 23:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Kb333 reported by User:Aoidh (Result: 48h)

Page: GNOME (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and GNU/Linux (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Kb333 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Comments:
This is not a 3RR report but a general edit-warring one. Editor has just come off a 24 hour block for edit-warring (their AN3 report is still above) and immediately has resumed their incivility and edit-warring, pushing their GNU/Linux POV despite being very aware by this point that consensus on Misplaced Pages does not support their edits (MOS:LINUX). The editor has made no attempt to discuss the redirect change on any talk page, yet still continues to revert against consensus. - Aoidh (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

And apparently "whatever" is justification to continue edit-warring. The editor has made is perfectly clear that they have no intention of discussing, but rather reverting and forcing their changes into articles. This is reinforced by the declaration (while still edit-warring) that the editor does not care about consensus. - Aoidh (talk) 23:37, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

• Blocked – for a period of 48 hours. I was just looking at this editor's reverts over at GNU/Linux earlier and wondering if I was going to have to block them again. Apparently they haven't gotten the message yet. Swarm 00:29, 31 March 2015 (UTC)