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Ohconfucius

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Request concerning Ohconfucius

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

TheSoundAndTheFury (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ohconfucius (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Falun_Gong_2#Request_for_amendment_.28June_2014.29

User:Ohconfucius was previously indefinitely topic banned from Falun Gong-related page by Arbcom. The topic ban was provisionally suspended for a one-year trial period per this motion. I think a review of his conduct is in order before the probationary period expires.

During Ohconfucius’ one-year reprieve, he has continued a pattern of POV editing, edit warring, and commenting inappropriately on other users. Most worrying, he restored a polemical anti-Falun Gong essay in userspace after being told by arbitrators to permanently delete it.

Background (see also WP:GAME)

In July 2012, Arbcom voted to indefinitely ban Ohconfucius from Falun Gong-related topics due to edit warring, incivility, and violations of WP:NPOV.

In April 2014, Ohconfucius appealed to lift the topic ban, and assured arbitration committee that he would not return to editing Falun Gong.

Arbcom’s response to this request was tepid, but seven arbs ultimately agreed to provisionally suspend the ban with a probationary period of one year. One arbitrator said his agreement was conditional and asked Ohconfucius to "steer well clear of matters of controversy" related to Falun Gong.

Ohconfucius reneged on his promises and quickly resumed making controversial edits to Falun Gong articles. It seems to me that he had gamed the system, and not for the last time.

He was brought back to Arbcom. The arbitrators again urged caution; one arb said to "move on" from editing Falun Gong, and another told him that he must permanently delete all of the anti-Falun Gong essays that he kept in his userspace and refrain from commenting on other editors or else he (the arbitrator) would request reinstatement of the ban.

Ohconfucius deleted the offending essays in his userspace. After the ArbCom case was closed, however, he simply reposted a permalinked version on his user page. This week he restored the page entirely.

Violations of WP:ATTACK, WP:HARASS, WP:POLEMIC

– Ohconfucius’ polemical essay on Falun Gong contains attacks against named individuals, groups, and several Misplaced Pages editors (myself included), violating WP:NPA, WP:ATTACK, WP:HARASS, and WP:POLEMIC. Note that Ohconfucius has been told on two occasions, by two members of Arbcom, that this essay is inappropriate. User:Seraphimblade told him to permanently delete it or else face reimposition of the topic ban.

Violations of WP:NPOV

Ohconfucius has continued previous patterns of POV editing. Most edits involve deleting/whitewashing reliably sourced information on the Chinese government’s human rights practices or claiming material is not supported by sources when it actually is.

Violation of WP:WAR

Ohconfucius made multiple reverts on September 9 on a Falun Gong-related article, ignoring talk page discussions. (Note: I initially thought these were a 3RR violation, but because some were performed in succession, it’s actually more like 3 reverts).

– misstates facts about the history of the 610 Office

– reverts (apparently convinced that he's right, while he's not)

– deletes information because it was unsourced (see bottom of diff)

– after a source was added, deletes it again

– deletes information from lede

– deletes again

– adds quote from Chinese government source and omits Ownby's views

– same edit again

– deletes information about man in Chengde

– deletes again (he's right about this one, but a revert nonetheless)

Violations of WP:CIVIL

– This talk page discussion is representative of an inability to assume good faith and a reflexive tendency to personalize discussions – something he’s been warned about repeatedly.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

• Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above: yes
• Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above: yes
• Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months (see the background section): yes

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Just a quick comment. I believe Ohconfucius' reply elucidates the problem. Instead of addressing his apparent breaches of policy and ArbCom rulings, such as direct personal attacks and using Misplaced Pages as a platform for ax-grinding and polemics, we get more name-calling from a seemingly unblockable ivory tower and "no further comments." I am not a Falun Gong activist or a so-called Falun Gongster and fundamentally do not see this as a content dispute. Neither have I said that Ohconfucius is "pro-regime." I stated that the direction of his edits on this topic generally serve to improve the image of the Chinese government. Note that he admits to editing from an "anti-Falun Gong" viewpoint instead of NPOV and seems to perceive the Falun Gong namespace as a zero-sum game. There were valid reasons for his indefinite topic ban in the first place; later he was put on probation, and I simply believe the situation should be assessed once again. Best regards. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 14:46, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Ohconfucius

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Statement by Ohconfucius

I have said time and again that I try hard to leave my personal opinions outside of the mainspace articles. Nowadays, I only make a very small number of edits on Falun Gong topics, yet I still get continually attacked by Falun Gong activists, so I'm not going to dwell on the issue before us. Falun Gong are known for their tenacity and relentlessness, wearing their critics down. The attacks were stressful for me in the past. I just find their attacks on me tiring. Tiring that the Falun Gong activists manifest the very intolerance of criticism of their movement that the Regime does with people who criticise their rule. I have repeatedly asserted that the Falun Gong and the Regime are heavily shaped by the Cultural Revolution, and are thus the antitheses of each other, and this observation/position appears to rile Falun Gong activists.

This request is yet another content dispute with the filer of the request and User:TheBlueCanoe, both of whom have a history of editing Falun Gong articles from what I believe is a highly partisan and advocate's viewpoint and with whom I have had running content disputes over the years. A new and inexperienced Falun Gong editor, who for the moment shall remain nameless, has joined their ranks recently, and may have contributed with text copied verbatim from elsewhere. I would merely say that I find copyright violations equally objectionable as the propaganda of the Falun Dafa and of the Regime, and part of that editing work is to remove copyvios or otherwise make clear that these are positions and not fact. All my edits have, I believe, adequate edit summaries explaining my rationale. Whilst the complainant has only found examples he objects to showing my bias, he failed to give me any credit for this comment (for example), which certainly shows that I am editing objectively and in good faith.

The Regime almost insists upon the "L'état, c'est moi" conflation between the party and the state in the same way as Falun Gongsters insist on labelling all people who do not support their movement as supporters of the Regime. IIndeed, I restored the essay within my own userspace after learning about the former's complaint to EdJohnson, in which he repeated his previous provocative smear that I was somehow "pro-Regime". It made me suspect whether he understood that anti-Regime people can also be anti-Falun Gong. If the distinction between the two is not clear in his own head, one must question whether he ought to be editing such polemic topics on Wikiepdia.

In view of the foregoing, I would state that the assembled should not be too surprised if there were no further comments from me on this case. -- Ohc  05:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Please do not be misled into confusing my fatigue of Falun Gong shenanigans with arrogance. I certainly do not feel I am unblockable, though my two principal accusers seem to share the belief that I think I'm immune to sanction. I am but an ordinary editor who does not want any further personal emotional reaction (i.e. stress) to this topic, and certainly no further drama. The editing issues being complained of here are content disputes – exactly the same as the last time – despite the attempt to position them otherwise. As I already stated above, I reinstated my essay because there seems to be some fundamental questions as to my allegiances and stance. Even after its reinstatement, it appears that there continues to be miscomprehension and even misrepresentation of my personal position and editing stance. Notwithstanding, to save myself reinventing the wheel at every juncture, I feel that the content of my essay is of value. Writing essays is a valid expression of one's personal sentiments, and serves to document emotional and editing issues faced every day on Misplaced Pages, so I would oppose its outright deletion of my effort because editing of Falun Gong articles is a rather unique experience. However, as it appears that there may be some sensitivity to the naming of names therein, I will make suitable redaction. I hope that will be satisfactory. -- Ohc  03:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by John Carter

It is worth noting that this subject has already been discussed with Ed Johnston at User talk:EdJohnston#Request for reinstating indefinite topic ban on User:Ohconfucius and the comments Ed made in response.

I also think it worth noting that the previous arbitrations have made it rather obvious that this is a vital article to the Falun Gong movement, which is remarkably active in the West, and that editors associated with the movement have been much more "sanctioned" historically than others. As for the claims that Ohconfucius' edits are ideologically-driven, I would be interested in knowing what "ideology" is allegedly driving him, because that has not so far as I have seen been indicated, and he has in the past reacted very strongly and negatively to allegations of being on the side of the PRC, understandably, I think. I also note as per his history that he has edited other, related articles in the broad qigong field, and that it is primarily on the basis of his work that the only FG FA out there exists. None of that is indicative of any sort of ideological involvement to my eyes, let alone being driven by ideology. John Carter (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by coldacid (uninvolved)

Despite the conversation on EdJohnston's talk, this essay is certainly questionable, and considering Seraphimblade's comment in the June 2014 amendment request, it seems that Ohconfucius is definitely tempting fate. Whether this is the editor taking the WP:ROPE they were given and hanging themself with it, or not, I can't say. For sure, though, we should hear from Seraphimblade on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by coldacid (talk • contribs) 02:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I have to agree with TheSoundAndTheFury's "quick comment". Regardless of the content dispute, Ohconfucius' attitude even here on this AE request demonstrates that the editor should be strongly encouraged to edit other topics. At the very least, they should be topic-banned from anything relating to Falun Gong, and their attack essay deleted and salted. Ohconfucius has been given enough rope. @Seraphimblade: Would still like to hear from you on this. // coldacid (talk|contrib) 15:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment by My very best wishes

This edit by Ohconfucius strikes me as very recent and highly problematic (I know how important this article is to Falun Gong propagandists, but you should accept it as an unfortunate consequence of one of your fellow FLG editors choosing to plagiarise an entire chunk of it). Otherwise, I am not sure this AE request would be reasonable, given that most other diffs/edits by Ohconfucius were rather old (although also problematic), and Arbcom did not ask for reviewing this matter after a year, judging from their motion. My very best wishes (talk) 18:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I do not think that editors in this area should be cursed and treated as "Falun Gongsters" (per Ohconfucious). During FG-2 case I talked with some of them, and they looked as good-faith and highly educated contributors, and in particular, User:Homunculus, very different from crude political SPA I have met in other subject areas. Unfortunately, she is no longer active in the project, just as many others, possibly due to the disputes and sanctions...

I think it would be fine for Ohconfucius to express his opinion about editing FG in his essay. However, he targeted several specific contributors: "more sophisticated undeclared/clandestine FLG advocates who are well versed in Misplaced Pages's policies appeared. Homunculus and TheSoundAndTheFury ..." and links them to WP:COI (in the end of the paragraph). I do not really know: perhaps there is an evidence of their WP:COI? If so, Ohconfucius must provide his evidence here, and these contributors should be sanctioned? But I did not see anything about their WP:COI during FG-2 case... My very best wishes (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Re to comment by Ohconfucius on my talk page . Yes, Ohconfucius removed these passages from his essay dated April 2 2015. Yes, that would be fine and sufficient, but he continue blaming others as "Gongsters" and "Falun Gong advocates" on this very page (see his statement above) and even on my talk page. No, this is not a fair assessment of these people, given their contributions to the project . My very best wishes (talk) 15:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

• In summary, I think this is hardly a reasonable AE request based on the most recent diffs (and it could be left without action), however given the suspended topic ban, a review of editing by Ohconfucious during the entire year and based on all provided diffs would still be reasonable. My very best wishes (talk) 01:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by TheBlueCanoe

Here’s what Seraphimblade said at arbitration:

“If Ohconfucius' pattern of commenting on editors rather than edits continues or speculating on their motives, I'll be in favor of reinstating the topic ban. In that vein, Ohconfucius:, I will be requesting reinstatement of the topic ban if you do not get rid of all of your userspace material on Falun Gong and leave it gone.”

Reposting an archived version of the userspace essay less than a month later was clearly defying the spirit, if not the letter, of the request. More interesting is that Ohconfucius completely restored the essay last week, after a complaint about it was filed on EdJohnston’s talk page. I have no idea how to account for this--tempting fate, or maybe Ohconfucius thinks he's unblockable.

On the NPOV issue, some of these diffs bear examining more closely:

• Deletes information claiming it’s not in the source, but it was.

• Deletes information about torture, saying he wasn’t clear on the source, but the source was clearly cited.

• - Adds a notability tag to the article, saying all mentions of the subject are trivial. The subject was the central focus of articles by several major news organizations--something no impartial editor would call trivial coverage.

• Says reports of torture is merely a Falun Gong allegation, which it’s not.

I’ve tried to give the benefit of the doubt that these were all honest mistakes, and maybe they are. But looking more closely at the history I’m not so sure, and it does seem that the user is ideologically driven. Certainly some of the reasons he’s given for deleting cited information on these pages are pretty flimsy (e.g. )

It also goes without saying that I don’t appreciate the insinuations that I’m a sock, a “meatpuppet” or a “Falun Gong propagandists” for trying to address and correct the issues I see on these pages.TheBlueCanoe 16:34, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Result concerning Ohconfucius

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• As a purely procedural note, the view I expressed regarding Ohconfucius' userspace material was an opinion of mine, and was not part of the formal terms of the restriction being suspended. That does not, of course, mean that I'm particularly thrilled to see they were restored, but that is not in itself grounds to revoke the suspension. There may exist other grounds to do so, if so, I'm sure the admins here will make that call. Seraphimblade 17:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Tarc's editing restriction

Nado158

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Request concerning Nado158

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Nado158 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#Standard discretionary sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 24 March 2015 Editing article about a Serbian soccer team to chnage the name from the English language version to the Serbian language version (this is very similar editing to that which resulted in his indefinite ban)
2. 29 March 2015 Editing article about a Belgrade soccer team to change the name from the English language version to the Serbian language version (again, the same pattern as previously)
3. 11 April 2015 Removed mention of the involvement of Serb Chetniks alongside Axis troops in the Kozara Offensive, with the edit summary "No Chetniks". This is a clear POV-warrior move, as the academic literature is crystal clear that a Chetnik leader called Rade Radic and his detachment participated on the Axis side against the Yugoslav Partisans during this offensive.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 22 February 2013 Nado158 is banned for 1 year from "from all articles and discussions related to Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania, broadly construed"
2. 15 June 2014 Nado158 is topic-banned from everything related to Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania (this was an indefinite ban).

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• Most recently given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 15 June 2014 by Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I would probably not have come across Nado158 if it was not for the most recent edit. I had some minor dealings with him over some problematic edits back in 2013, but nothing since then that I can recall. Having looked at his edit history and previous bans, it would appear that he is continuing with exactly the same behaviour he was previously banned for.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Nado158

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Statement by Nado158

Oh come on, first the Name is not BSK Beograd, this is a false lemma, as well as "Sabac Stadium". On WP are lemmas to be preferred in the local language, you know that. The name is Beogradski SK and not BSK Beograd (which is a artificial lemma which does not exist). Also, the stadium Name is Gradski stadium Sabac (Sabac City Stadium) and not Sabac Stadium. The current versions are wrong. I also have removed tha part about the Chetniks, because there is no source available. Your intentions are clear, I see absolutely no willingness for cooperation from your side. But, I see insinuations and offensive behavior against me without reason. Did I revert you? No. Have you tried to start a discussion? No. You acted instantly offensively and unbiased, and way is clear who processed here every day in this field. I am not the POV-Warrior here.--Nado158 (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

The ban previously were exaggerated, based in part on incorrect facts and were so picky placed in the wrong light as you try now and have nothing to do with the things now. Again, did I revert you? No. Have you tried to start a discussion? No. Did i removed somethin what had a source? No. Did i put my POV ther? No. Did I removed the correct names and put the wrong name there? No.--Nado158 (talk) 14:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I don t understand. really. I had beem previously unjustly punish. Because of this processing (See here ) Please keep in mind exactly. I updated the article, add sources, and the other User reverted me. On prejudice, without arguments, discussion or sources. How can that be? He broke the WP-rules, not me. And i would punished??? And this with the support of the Croatian and controvers Admins Joy, who often abused his position for his controvers POV. How can that be please? Not I broken the rules, the other user. And Joy abused his admin options. Luckily someone else had seen. Nevertheless, I was punished for nothing. Look here ). Please look and this. I was punished, although this processing has proved to be true. I cant believe it till today what have you done to me. To date, the lemma is false. I tried to improve and to update this article, but I was constantly attacked, accused, etc. Although I was right at the end and that's why I was punished??? Where is the justice? This is very very unfair what are you doing with me. At the time I tried to explain everything, but nobody answered to me, no one was listening to my arguments, just like today. All wrote and talked as if I do not exist. Why??? That's not fair.. Like now. That's not fair. Look here (). This is not a profile of a rampaging nationalist user or POV-Warrior.

The user who is accused me constantly are involved in conflicts and has an anti-Serbian attitude. Please look at his profile and his resume on WP. Please. As soon as I'm back, he is trying to represent me like a bad man for nothing. You's doing me wrong, again and again and gives me no chance. Simply because I am going to upgrade Football Articles and for that i will be punished, ridiculous, sorry. This are Serbian Football not Croatian ect. Did i make racist statements or POV? No. And, I've removed the Chetniks, because after the sentence was not a source. The rest of the text I have not read. Also in the infobox I saw no Chetniks. So that's why I removed it. Why he has not show me the source? And beside this, I also have not reverted him or anything, just for this I am attacked so hard. I did not even reverted. I saw later it was true. This is ridiculous what's going on. Sad.Nado158 (talk) 08:11, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Look here https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:FK_Partizan_Kosovska_Mitrovica, Nobody was interested until this article till today, he was false and miserable, so I had updated the text. I have pointed out before, wanted a discussion, at some point I started to work in their own hands, because nobody react, and what you do, you ban me out for correct information and because of the updat of the WP article, and the one who broke the rules and acussed me, reverted all the work which was sourced you let unpunished, I was punsihed for the info which was correct. He remains unpunished. THANK YOU WP-Team. Now the same again, now for three words, 2 right words and 1 removed word for a thing, because i didnt saw a source there. New record for the WP-guiness book. Thank you.Nado158 (talk) 08:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by OccultZone

@Zad68: Yes the blocking admin was involved and it was not an AE block. You can read more at User talk:Joy#Use of very long blocks in a case in which you are involved. Nado158 is not an active editor and his sanctions were updated by Sandstein on 15 June 2014. Thus the block from 2 June 2014 should not influence on this complaint. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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Result concerning Nado158

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

From a June 2014 AE, "Nado158 is topic-banned, as described in WP:TBAN, from everything related to Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania". The first diff shows editing about football in Serbia. So we can tell these edits are contrary to his ban without needing to look into the actual naming issues. I'd recommend an AE block of appropriate duration. EdJohnston (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

• Yes this is actionable. Last AE blocks were in April 2014 for 48 hours, and then one in June for one month, but the block log says the block was "Removed" because the blocking admin was involved. So we do not count that one at all? I am inclined to ignore that June 2014 block altogether. Given the length of time since the last block and the duration of that block I'm leaning toward something like a block between 2 days and a week. Striking the part discussing duration because I want to look at it a bit closer. Zad68 15:39, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Infantom

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Request concerning Infantom

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Opdire657 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Infantom (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBPIA :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 11 April 2015 Removing words linked to Palestine and replace it with Israel which came into existence in 1948
2. 6 April 2015 Denying the existence of Arab Jews
3. 16 November 2014 Adding Land of Israel - clearly POV pushing
4. 27 September 2014 Removing article related to Palestinian football again
5. 30 September 2014 Adding Israeli Jews to an unrelated article and removing Palestinian people
6. 13 September 2014 Adding Hebrew translation despite being unrelated
7. 13 September 2014 Removing words linked to Palestine and replace it with Israel which came into existence in 1948
8. 16 June 2014 Adding article unrelated to Israeli football
9. 16 June 2014 Removing article related to Palestinian football
10. 16 June 2014 Adding categories about Israel
11. 10 June 2014 Adding Land of Israel
12. 4 June 2014 Denying Palestine's existence
13. 30 May 2014 Denying Palestine's existence; Replacing it with Ottoman Syria

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 11 February 2015 Blocked for violating WP:1RR on Israeli cuisine for 48 hours
2. 11 July 2014 Blocked for one week due to sockpuppetry using Guy355

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• Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on Date by Username (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
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• Successfully appealed all their own sanctions relating to the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Since he began editing Misplaced Pages either with his new account or the old one it has been very hard to communicate with him. He is stubborn and don't like to be disagreed. He is also interested in denying Palestine and the Palestinian people as can be seen here.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Infantom

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Statement by Infantom

This is completely ridiculous. I warned Opdire657 that if he doesn't start a discussion and reach consensus regarding Mandatory Palestine national football team he will be reported. And What did he do? Reported all my edits (over the months and years) that he didn't like, adding ridiculous allegations. That's the first time i am encountering this editor so his "Additional comments" are nonsense (though his childish arguments remind me the user Uishaki). I have nothing else to say about this ludicrous attempt, except that i have never been blocked for sockpuppetry. --Infantom (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

The block was a mistake and i was unblocked, from some reason you decided to ignore it. Denying Arab Jews? So far not even one source has been added to support this controversial claim of "Arab Jew"; regarding the recent edit in Arabs, i added several sources to support my edit. There is not a real case against me for that matter. Infantom (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

User:EdJohnston, given the fact that Jews are an ethnic group with distinctive culture and history, the term "Arab Jew" is very dubious. No source was given to support the claim of Arab Jew, and eventually i provided my own sources to support my claim (i should have done in the first edit though). As for Mandatory Palestine national football team, i started a discussion and requested for sources, if no source will be provided i will revert again. (BTW, i would seriously consider to check if Opdire657 is a sockpuppet of Uishaki) Thanks. Infantom (talk) 00:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by RolandR

Despite Infantom's protestations above, it is absolutely clear that s/he has indeed been blocked for sockpuppetry. The editor is in addition POV editing and edit-warring on several articles to remove reference to the indigenous status of Palestinian Arabs, to deny that there are Jewish Arabs, and to repeat contentious edits.. RolandR (talk) 16:46, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by AcidSnow

Here is another diff where he oddly removes Arab Jews with zero explanation: . This diff is from 7 March which isn't too long ago. AcidSnow (talk)

Statement by Rhoark (uninvolved)

This has all the surface appearance of passive-aggressive PoV pushing, but looking closer into related articles, the edits seem reasonable. Most of the altered references to Palestine pertain to British Mandatory Palestine, the direct predecessor state of the modern State of Israel. Arab Jew is a 20th century term that would be anachronistic to apply to a claim about 6th century Islam. At the time of the Battle of Beersheba, Beersheba was indeed a territory of Ottoman Syria. Unless there were specific talk page consensus that these edits went against, I think the issue here is just that the editor needs to leave better explanatory notes. Rhoark (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Kingsindian

There are very old diffs in the report, which seems to have been cobbled together without much rhyme or reason. It is notable that there has not been a single talk page comment by Opdire657 or Infantom on this matter on the Mandatory Palestine national football team page, which seems to be the trigger for this escalation to WP:AE. I suggest a trout to both and an admonishment to use the talk page more often. I mostly agree with Rhoark above, however some of the edits are dubious, especially diff 5. However it is a very stale diff. Kingsindian ♝♚ 19:44, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by username

Result concerning Infantom

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• It appears that User:Callanecc and User:Yunshui decided that Infantom was *not* employing User:Guy355 as a sock in July 2014, contrary to what was originally concluded in WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Infantom/Archive. I suggest that Infantom should consider archiving his talk page instead of deleting messages. The record of his exoneration from the sock charges is buried in his talk page history. EdJohnston (talk) 03:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• There are the usual debates about the nuances of 'Palestine'. It does appear that Palestine League mostly consisted of Jewish footballers and existed prior to 1948, so Infantom's edit about that seems defensible. Infantom has engaged in borderline edit warring about the definition of 'Arab Jew'. For example see his four edits at Arabs beginning with this one on April 6. His claim that 'Jews are not Arabs' appears to be circular reasoning. If you set up the definitions in a certain way, then Arabs can't be Jews. I'm uncertain if that needs any action here, except possibly a warning. EdJohnston (talk) 14:58, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Agree with Ed here, the most (and at a stretch) we can do here is give a warning but I'd inclined to warned both Infantom and Opdire657--Cailil 15:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• With my football hat on, the edits by Infantom are entirely correct - the Israeli FA is the successor to the Mandate-era FA (FIFA's website notes that the affiliation year for the IFA is 1929). The behaviour of other editors at Mandatory Palestine national football team who are continuing to insert linkage to the current Palestinian national team (affiliated to FIFA in 1998) should be reviewed though – it's either knee-jerk reverting or trying to make a WP:POINT. Number 57 11:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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