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Can I try the Standard Offer approach by editing Irish or Scots language wikipedias or conservapedia or a similar wiki or no?--PaulBustion88 (talk) 18:07, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm referring to the idea of leaving wikipedia in English alone for six months and editing elsewhere, for example on the Irish language wikipedia, instead. And if I edited well and without being disruptive, maybe I could be allowed to come back? I think it would be fair to say that this account has been less disruptive than the previous ones. Because, for example, I did not let my bias show up in my editing much. I was exagerrating when I said I hate Freemasonry, but I really do intensely dislike it, but I did not let my bias get in the way of my editing about it, and I tried to remove Manly Hall and Blavatsky from the Christian opposition to Masonry article because I thought it was unfair to Masonry to use their writings to argue it was anti-Christian when they are certainly not in the mainstream of Freemasonry. As a conservative, I oppose the Rockefeller Foundation, but I didn't let that prevent me from being objective about it, I found it unlikely that it was tied to Nazism, which is why I tried to remove the statements in the article suggesting it had links to Nazism. In this link, https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AFreud%2C_Biologist_of_the_Mind&diff=656068509&oldid=656068242, I criticized a sentence for not being npov because it suggested psychoanalysis has already been discredited, even though I'm opposed to psychoanalysis. The only thing I did this time that was extremely disruptive was adding Judaism and Islam to the Christian category. So if I can show on another wikipedia, for example Irish or Scots, that I can edit productively, can I be allowed to come back in six months?--PaulBustion88 (talk) 18:16, 18 April 2015 (UTC) I asked a user on Irish wikipedia to review my editing, and he replied, "I also left a reply on my discussion page. I'll do my best to review your edits. Just one quick note: There's nothing wrong with noting Freud's Jewish background. Both the English and German articles contain the word Jewish/Juden at least 10 times each, and the English article refers to that background as having some importance in his outlook. It just shouldn't be overemphasized. Ach go raibh maith agat as do chuid oibre anseo agus ádh mór ort. Thanks for your work here and best of luck. SeoMac (talk) 14:32, 18 Aibreán 2015 (UTC)"-- So, although I would never insist on adding the Jewishness to the Freud article if I came back, SeoMac is showing that that was also done on the German wikipedia, so it may not be inappropriate as people said it was. However, I'm not insisting on including that and I never would again. I took it off Irish wikipedia, https://ga.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sigmund_Freud&diff=763672&oldid=763599. PaulBustion88 (talk) 18:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

In a word, no. You said as late as March here that you agreed to stop using more than one account. That you would work on the Irish and Scots wikipedias for 6 months before coming back. I'm sorry, but you have no credibility wrt to these undertakings to stop socking. I don't see the Standard Offer as applicable to you any longer. As for this account being "less disruptive" than previous socks, less is not enough. I haven't researched the way you've used your other socks in any depth, but this one has been pretty disruptive. I spoke to you originally on this page with the good-faith assumption that you were a new user who just didn't know what was appropriate to add to articles nor talkpages. Now I know you were no newbie. Frankly, I feel you have abused my good faith with your faux-naif questions. If you'd like an uninvolved admin's take on the matter of the Standard Offer, you can post this text below: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Formally, that's an unblock request, but you could explain in the "Your reason here" field that you don't expect to be unblocked (you might as well say that, because you certainly won't be) but would like an uninvolved admin's view of your chances of the Standard Offer. You don't need to put a whole long argument into the field, just refer to your post above.

To any admin who responds to Paul's "unblock request": sorry to ask for uninvolved input in this manner, but I really don't know how else to do it. Hope you don't mind. Please see the page history and also this and this. Bishonen | talk 19:16, 18 April 2015 (UTC).

Not an admin, but saw the message, and received an e-mail from about this before the sock investigation started, even if I'm not an admin. Some of the wikis he mentioned are associated with the WMF, and so editing them wouldn't really count toward establishing credibility. The best way I can see for your potentially ever getting unblocked here, given Bishonen's comments above, would be for you to maybe do something on some of the other WMF entities or foreign language wikipedias which would show that you can be productive, and then, after a period of six months or one year of engaging in a lot of content related activity there without any real problems, to request that you be allowed to edit here, at least initially, on a limited basis, pretty much exclusively, in terms of importing non-controversial articles or clearly encyclopedic content from those other entities. That might work. Maybe. John Carter (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

WP Standard Offer

PaulBustion88 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Refer to my post above and answer whether I can do WP:Standard Offer. I think the only thing I did here that was indisputably disruptive was adding Judaism and Islam to the Christianity category. Refer to my post above for my replies to some of the arguments that I was disruptive in other ways. PaulBustion88 (talk) 20:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Decline reason:

There's a long history of problems which will need to be addressed; your summary below seems to show you have no self-awareness. As to the standard offer, it appears to have been offered before and you lied. It's going to be hard to commit to anything when you've proven that you have no integrity. I would suggest actually living up to conditions, then come back and make a case, preferably with your original account and not another sock. Kuru (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

One thing I was criticized for call and called disruptive for was arguing that the Rockefeller Foundation did not have links to the Nazis. The Rockefeller Foundation article said that they did, and sourced it to an extremist author named Edwin Black. The Rockefeller Foundation is definitely left-wing politically, Nazism is generally considered right-wing politically, so that seems counterintuitive. I was criticized for suggesting Mormonism was off topic in the Christian churches against Freemasonry article because Mormonism is actually more different from Christianity than Freemasonry is. I gave logical arguments for my position. There is a Christian pastor named James White who has said that theologically, Mormonism is more different from Christianity than Judaism and Islam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWqwrlifyWU He has said that this is because Christians believe God has eternally been God, and God is the creator of all things, and God is the only God, there is only one God, God created man, he did not procreate man, man is not of the same species as God, in all those respects, Islam believes the same thing. Mormons believe different things on all those issues. I did not edit war over the issue. Manly Hall is not a mainstream Masonic author, so I do not think his writings are a fair representation of what Freemasonry believes in, that's why I removed his section from that article. And I didn't edit war to keep my changes in that article. Even though I felt like I was right about the Rockefeller Foundation article, I reverted my edits there after Bishonen said he did not like them to me. --PaulBustion88 (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

First, Bishonen is not a "he." Second, the big problem, and it appears to be a very big problem, as per the number of confirmed socks you've already used, you appear to have regularly violated policies repeatedly, while also apparently not even abiding by your early promises, as per Bishonen's comments above. Also, frankly, at this point, it is really, really, ridiculous to ask whether you can apply for lifting of a ban as per the "standard offer" in a year or six months, considering that is a year or six months away. Like I said above, as a no-longer-admin, your best bet is to develop content elsewhere, in a non-problematic manner, and then apply after the time required for a standard offer to be offered has elapsed. I know personally that there are a hell of a lot of reference works over at wikisource which could use some attention, including encyclopedias, dictionaries, and biograhical dictionaries, which could easily and sometimes quickly be developed there and then imported here as reasonable. And I just started a page at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Religion/Library which includes a lot of other PD sources in the broad fields of religion, philosophy, and cultural anthropology, among others, all of which are considered still useful enough to be included in a recent bibliography of sources on those topics, and all of which could be developed at wikisource and then made available for importation by a pure cut-and-paste. Particularly given the rather problematic history of your multiple confirmed socks, I really think your best option is to try to do something else first before asking for an offer, to show good faith in being willing to abide by reasonable terms. Then, on the conclusion of that period, maybe ask to have the block lifted. John Carter (talk) 20:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

But did you find my editing under this account problematic, other than adding Islam and Judaism to the Christianity category? Were there any edits that were good here? I mean, I felt like this account managed to do a lot of things in a productive manner, at least compared to before. You don't think so?--PaulBustion88 (talk) 20:58, 18 April 2015 (UTC)