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"Features" and "Controversy" sections are redundant

It seems to me that the "Features" section is merely a summary of the "Controversy" section. Shouldn't it instead list some of the web site's regularly recurring features, and not simply present information that is presented later on in a condensed fashion? I suggest that for the time being the "Features" section be removed until it can be rewritten. --Impaciente 02:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I've just restored an older version of the Features section from a few weeks ago, before it had been overwritten with negativity. -- Bovineone 03:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Biased Page?

This page seems to be biased towards the alleged fact that ebaums world is stealing. If someone could try and edit this page to be more unbiased and present both sides of the story equally it would be great. Floog 18:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Unbiased? You mean lie to make EBaum's World look better? The story is very clear. I don’t think there is some huge conspiracy going on between many internet forums to create animation, allow EBaum's to use it, and then claim it never happened. Redd Dragon 18:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not biased. I've looked it over, it only gives facts. Don't look at me if most of those facts point against it. --72.70.53.60 01:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

More Theft Controversy

There's something new that Ebaum's World has stolen. Animator vs. Animation. This flash cartoon appeared on Albino Black Sheep as well as Newgrounds before appearing on Ebaum's World. The creator has stated that he did not give permission on Newgrounds and elsewhere. User:Bill BIsco June 12th, 2006

AB, the owner of Albino Black Sheep, has already contributed in many ways and has teamed up with the creator's family against Bauman. -Led— Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.154.112.227 (talk • contribs)

Psh, everything on the Internet's stolen.

NAMBLA?

"Eric Bauman is a member of NAMBLA (the north american man-boy-love-association) and has been since 2000. Many people do not believe this yet Eric admited to his membership after constant pressure from the media." Does anyone have a source to that statement?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.229.113.245 (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is just vandalism by eBaum's World Sucks. They even have a topic there condoning it. --Machchunk

Not by us, we don't do stuff like that. It makes Bauman look like the victim.--Alexrules43 13:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Machchunk, I'd like you to re-read the article from the first page. The majority of comments posted in that thread condemn the vandalism, rather than condoning it. I myself have posted to that thread, in fact. DarkMasterBob 07:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

First off, spell my name right. Second, yes, maybe I said it in a wrong way (in fact, I'm webmeister from that forum), but the point is there were people saying it was justified. What I said doesn't even have to mean the regulars did it. It could just be the n00bs who don't know any better. --Machchunk

Reposted Content

I reposted some of the content and added a disclaimer that it just rumor. People still need to know that SOMETHING was/is still going on. Again, they are rumors without evidance, but there are some strong claims on there. Dragon-Girl March 28th, 2006

What sucks is you're getting a lot of childish people posting ignorant comments. That's what happens when EVERYONE can edit anything (i.e. Congress Controversy). And thank you Alwarren. I would of done that sooner, but I was at school and didn't have the time. You've made it a decent page again. Dragon-Girl March 28th, 2006

Unveryfiable content removed

I removed all of the unverifiable content on this page. There's no reason to have rumors and propaganda here. Fetty 19:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The "Quality" section

I personally see little need for the section detailing that when eBaum rebrands images that it degrades the quality of them. Looking at the comparison of an original image and rebranded one, it's difficult to see a significant difference, and thus it would have done better for them to be bigger. However, I don't really see how much the section adds to the article, and it would probably benefit it to shorten it a little and integrate it into another part. 24.7.163.154 23:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree; the difference in image quality, if it exists, is not clear enough to be mentioned. -Unknownwarrior33 02:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

This article keeps getting worse

And worse, and worse, and worse. Also, someobdy removed my comments to the talk page. Anyway, going to make an effort at cleanup. Alwarren@ucsd.edu 23:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do. The vast majority of it could just be deleted. Dbchip 23:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Made an attempt at cleaning things up a bit. Definitely not done, but most of the stuff that made me wince is gone. Alwarren@ucsd.edu 00:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but where exactly, then, does the YTMND incident belong? Someone tried to make a seperate Contreversy page, but that was shot down. --Tiler 05:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Like any other page, controversy belongs ON the page of the article, rather than on another site in an attempt to redirect information and avoid discussion of the topic. --OMG LAZERS 22:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Forum Invasions

Ebaum's users have hacked the YTMND forums again at http://forums.ytmnd.com/ , replacing the letter 'a' with a message about '_EBAUMS FORUMS OWNS U_' and a number of unidentifiable characters. The stylesheet has been removed, and the line dividing the signature from the main body of the post has been replaced with a pornographic image of two men having intercourse. After 10 seconds, every page forwards to forums.ebaumsworld.com. I'm not sure what proof you guys need to say that this sort of thing is happening, but it's happening right now if you want to go over and check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.145.64 (talk • contribs)

You should've checked the April 1, 2006 page. YTMND is pretending to be "bought" by Eric and Neil Bauman. In the process, the real eBaum's World forums are being flooded. --Tokachu 19:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

This was stolen?

AS much as I hate bauman, when i checked this page, all it said was "I stole this from ebaumsworld. People need to stop playing with this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superducktoes (talk • contribs)

Are you suggesting we request the page be protected? --Tokachu 01:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

This page is not protection-worthy since the controversy is long gone and people are not out to vandalize the page as much as say, things related to current issues. --OMG LAZERS 22:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Unverified Section

"On February 27, 2006 a researcher named Bradley Scott..."

The unverified section above is from the albinoblacksheep forums, in a thread by AB (the owner of albinoblacksheep) I'll get the link as soon as I get a chance. Ziiv 15:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok. This is what that person was referencing. ] Since a forum can't be considered a "credible publication," I'm going to delete the section.Ziiv 06:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

A recorded phone call and emails are evidence though. http://www.absforums.com/ebaum.html Please do not dismiss this.

Anything Good?

Is there anything good to say about eBaums World? I am finding it more and more difficult to find any site that have any positive comments towards this website. What's the deal? --MrBucket 01:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The main reason that most people who are active enough on the internet to actually make a presence and voice their opinion for people to read are the people who frequent sites like YTMND or Something Awful. EBaum's policy of 'it is easier to ask for forgivness than permission' has really riled these readers up (like myself). For that reason, it's hard to find anyone who posts on things like, say, Misplaced Pages discussion pages with much good to say about Ebaum. If you find someone who only knows Ebaum from word of mouth and is less internet savy (See - 10 year old girls and yuppies) they'll enjoy Ebaum for it's large archive of content in one place. --OMG LAZERS 22:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course, they'll only think that until they're told that all eBaum does is steal the content, and then probably join one of the three camps of opinion on him. And sadly, once you've visited the site many times, you become ensnared by the opinion that it's so wonderful, you feel threatened by those who want it to not be there. ...Gee, I guess psychology class did help... Tom Temprotran 01:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Anyways, yeah this is far from neutral. --Spikelee 05:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Something that needs to be said

I know that Eric Bauman is not the most highly regarded person on the Internet today, but there is an obvious lack of effort in trying to keep this page neutral. The image of the main page with the advertisements and popups is blatantly biased and completely inappropriate. Just because there are advertisements on the site and this is a true statement does not make this OK. Why isn't the first sentence of the Adolf Hitler article, "Adolf Hitler was the leader of Nazi Germany and an oppressive racist responsible for the heartless slaughter of millions of Jews"? Yes, it's every bit true, but it's inconsistent with the policies of Misplaced Pages because it gives people a technically non-neutral impression. Of course, everybody who read the article would eventually realize that he was a sick monster, but that's only through presenting facts in a completely neutral way.

I don't mean writing this article like "eBaum said X, but X is wrong because of Y"; you should say stuff like "eBaum claims X, but critics contest this because of Y". Misplaced Pages is a neutral enyclopedia. I know that we can all do better. Oklonia 22:47, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The screenshot is displaying the page with ads. It is correct to point out that part of the screenshot is ads and not part of the website, not to mention that the ads are the reason why Ebaum has gotten so much revenue off the site. It is not negative and is completely accurate to say that the site has a lot of ads. The supposedly non-NPOV things you are point out aren't even being put in to portray the site in a negative light. Nor are we going to water down facts as "claims". --Xombie 00:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The original screenshot (check the image history) was much cleaner and had no ads visible on it, but it was removed under claims that the image was inaccurate. So I took a screenshot with the advertisements. What you don't see is that the "Entrepreneuer" pop-up appeared four times, not just once as it appears in the screenshot. If you doubt me, go to the web site yourself. --Tokachu 03:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no problems with ads but placing the pop-up at the bottom is biased. We would not do that with any of the millions of other sites that have pop-up ads. I have no problem with banners ads being displayed because they are part of the page... or mentioning that the site does open lots of pop-ups... but, they are not part of the site. gren グレン 07:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The part edited out was not necessary or factual. I am going to edit out (humorously subtitled "Media For Dumbasses") It is unnecessary and not factual. --Spikelee 15:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I some changes. Feek free to comment on them,. --Spikelee 00:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The picture that used to be there wasn't a pop up but something that was built onto the front page, like a layer, that slides across from the side -inside- the window. If they don't wanna be depicted like that, take off that one ad and makes 1% less money and earn some credibility and not look like a porn site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.33.33.44 (talk • contribs) .

I uploaded that image. That image is exactly how eBaum's World appeared when I loaded the web site without using any sort of ad-blocker or pop-up blocker. It's meant to convey the most accurate representation possible; in other words, what the average visitor would see. --Tokachu 03:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Latest Change

Okay, the last change I made I deem worthy of change. The alligations of the Funbar containing spyware are false according to the link. I'm also trying to keep this site neutral. It is not neutral. And the people that claim they are just reporting facts don't even have arguments for eBaums actions. They are all against eBaums actions. Please do not revert to the old article. --Spikelee 17:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit once again and added another warning your talk page. The 'allegation' is sourced via a notable website. Please stop removing it.--Andeh 00:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

"Animator vs. Animation"

Considering the recent conflict going on between Albino Blacksheep and ebaumsworld due to the "A vs A" video, could someone with knowledge about the whole issue write about it? --gadren 02:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Wrote some stuff about it, but it can be added to. Greatly added to. --Batmobile 22:16, 12 June 2006

You have to admit, he's good at what he does. Only took him...what? 2 days? To rip it off albinoblacksheep.com. We can only hope he doesn't manage to worm his way out of this next court case...--Labine50 04:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

http://ebaumsworld.com/flash/animator-vs-animation.html http://newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=511039 sources for new info added. So the guy took the money and then decided that he was cheated? Mgunit

From what I saw, he was sent the check without any notification. Then when he threatened with legal action, Eric Bauman said he won a "contest", offered him an additional $1000, and posted a quote making it look like he agreed to have it posted there. Alan also tried to send the money back.

Maybe you should go back to spamming siteadvisor.com. You're not fooling anyone. --Tokachu 04:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

This is what I gather: eBaum took the flash. Alan threatened to sue (with the help of AlbinoBlackSheep). eBaum then gave Alan a grand total of $1250 for the flash. Alan took the money and said that eBaum had paid for it. eBaum put up a quote on the page from Alan saying he paid for it and he talked to Alan before the whole law suit thing started. Technically he did talk to Alan before the lawsuit but Alan told him that he couldn't have the flash so eBaum stole it. However, the quote made it sound like eBaum had permission before hand to post it which he did not. But since Alan took the cash he sold everyone out, everyone got pissed at him, and now he is trying to unsell out. It does look like eBaum removed the flash though Dominic 01:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Current Event banner

What happened to the curret event banner (or whatever it's called) at the top of the Controversy section? Considering the recent developments in the Animator vs. Animation/Albino Blacksheep vs. eBaum's battle, it seems like this is still quite current and likely to keep changing. IMFromKathlene 00:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

YTMND / eBaums war?

What happened to the mention of the DOS attack that YTMND users launched against eBaums? That seems to have been covered up nicely.

Y'know, when they pinged their chat and forums to death?--Mofomojo 03:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

It should be mentioned. And let us not forget the DOS attack Ebaumsworld launched against SomethingAwful; after all, if we are going to mention such actions taken against Ebaumsworld, we must mention the DOS attacks they have launched.--— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.62.130 (talk • contribs)

I'm going to tone down the paragraph about YTMND-Day in the YTMND article and include it here. It deserves a huge mention.Sam 18:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Forums are not considered 'credible sources' on Misplaced Pages. Therefore, that claim is not substantiated, and every time you try to re-add it to the main page, I will delete it. Find some hard, admissable evidence, type it up in a way which dignifies Misplaced Pages (captials and punctuation especially), then add it. Not before. --Killfest2 13:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

And do not delete my posts, or you will be banned. That is your final warning.

That user is not an admin. Ignore his ban threat.

But don't delete people's comments, it's not polite. ----

so hes a liar

IT SAYS HERE THAT EBAUMS REMOVED THE AUDIO CLIP AFTER THE RAIDS BUT IF YOU GO TO HIS SITE ITS STILL UP THERE, just like to point that out....

Child Pornography Claims

While YTMND is clearly a biased source for information, I do find that this image... may be bordering on child pornography in this case, and thus the claims to be founded. Discussion? Payneos 03:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The edits are vandalism -- repeated, unsourced, exaggerated, inflammatory. I am not sure what you intend to accomplish by diverting the semi-protection discussion here. --G0zer 03:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

A moderator already denied the protection claims and asked that discussion on the topic be redirected here. I have sourced the picture in question as being *possible* child pornography. You may view it here . Payneos 03:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Crazy Telemarketer

Unless and until there are relibale secondary sources (i.e. outside eBaumsWorld forums and YTMND) this cannot go in. The irony of YTMND, masters of the copyvio soundtrack, accusing eBaums of copyright infringement is not lost on me :-) Just zis Guy you know? 10:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• Yes...There is one big difference though...its called "Image Origin" and "Sound Origin". That means that the original image and audio authors or source are given credit. Ebaums world has had a number of instances where the author was not given credit and instead had Ebaums infamous watermark pasted on it. This made it look like it was the work of the website and not the authors. Ebaums also have had a number of authors come out and say they did not submit their work to Ebaum's, did not consent it, and still didn't approve of it after the "theft". Ytmnd has never been accused of this by any authors. They have only been accused by retaliating Ebaum's users. If Ebaums is just like YTMND in theft, then why isnt YTMND being as openly criticized like Ebaums by both spectators and Authors alike?--CoolDrMoney9 19:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)My Brother and Me = Best show ever

• • True. JzG, maybe you should look into this kind of stuff more. --Clorox MUN Goatse Virgin ONS (diskussion/fortune cookie) 20:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• • giving credit to source is a pretty minor thing under US law and you are pretty much required to do it but it provides you with sod all protection. For example this is a pretty clear copyvio. The reason no one objects that most of the theft is from big companies or from random people with stuff on google images so no one cares (If I was really feeling board I'd send YTMND the standard set of failing to follow the GFDL notices).Geni 22:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

That's not the issue though, YTMND is not on trial. This is about how eBaum allegedly stole a long humorous sound file from someone else without giving proper credit. Attacking YTMND is not a way of proving eBaum's innocence. Payneos 16:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree as well. Though YTMND is known for being a bit sycophantic in their crusade against eBaums, they do hold the high ground in this argument if you look into it. A proper citation is not needed as of yet, but will be if this drags on longer, especially since one will become available. You tend to be very aggressive in your deletions as your talk page suggests, but give this one time, it's not something that will happen overnight. This situation requires patience. Payneos 20:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

A proper citation is always needed.Geni 22:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Not if you take the edit on Good Faith. Payneos 23:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I don't think that WP:AGF means "believe what other editors say even if they don't offer proof." That seems to be completely contrary to WP:CITE and WP:V not to mention completely unworkable in practice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ElKevbo (talk • contribs) 23:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

"To assume good faith is a fundamental principle on Misplaced Pages. As we allow anyone to edit, it follows that we assume that most people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it. If this weren't true, a project like Misplaced Pages would be doomed from the beginning. So, when you can reasonably assume that something is a well-intentioned error, correct it without just reverting it or labeling it as vandalism."

I would have to guess by the opening statements that by this effect, these people are trying to help Misplaced Pages by adding reasonable facts to the site. They don't seem to be vandalizing, but actually making a contribution. You can't cite EVERYTHING you place in Misplaced Pages (See: Opie and Anthony) so sometimes an edit that is not qualifiable under vandalism should be taken in good faith. Payneos 00:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

If you can't provide a cite you run into WP:NOR.Geni 02:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't have to do "original research" in this case, so no, it does not. Again, the edit must be taken in good faith, you are not taking the edits in Good Faith, so you request citation. Payneos 16:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Requesting sources for a particular assertion or alleged fact has nothing to do with good faith and everything to do with verifiability and providing reasonable evidence for what we state in this encyclopedia article. Someone who requests that you provide a source is not necessarily assuming that you are wrong or that your edit is vandalism - they are simply requiring that you provide verifiable evidence supporting your edit. It's not personal and it's certainly not any sort of attack on you or your credibility. It's how we maintain this encyclopedia. It's what makes this an encyclopedia. --ElKevbo 17:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur, but it is a noteworthy event. If it was irrelevant, I would agree, but there's no publication to cite off of yet, yet it is a reasonably major event in the controversy that surrounds eBaumsworld. I also believe that just because it can't be cited, that means it needs to be deleted, which is what is being done. It should be modified so that it IS acceptable for the article. Not everything can be cited, and that's my point. The relevance is there, so I see no need to cite it right off the bat. Payneos 18:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)