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	== Removed unsourced claim ==		== Removed unsourced claim ==

	I removed the sentence about Kokesh and others being targeted for arrest, because the only source for that paragraph, from US News, does not make that claim. ] (]) 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)		I removed the sentence about Kokesh and others being targeted for arrest, because the only source for that paragraph, from US News, does not make that claim. ] (]) 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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	== removing un-reliable sources and sources that are primary documents ==		== removing un-reliable sources and sources that are primary documents ==

	Using ] as our guide, we must avoid using as sources:		Using ] as our guide, we must avoid using as sources:
	* Blogs that are not subject to a news organization's normal fact-checking process		* Blogs that are not subject to a news organization's normal fact-checking process
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	== IVAW ==		== IVAW ==

	Concerning in which I commented, "Adam has temporarily been a member of a lot of things; no group should be given undue weight in the lede. (His role in IVAW is mentioned elsewhere in the article.)", I would also note for future editors that Adam has rapidly distanced himself from socialist sentiments; and it would therefore be inaccurate for the article to imply that he's currently a leftist via the communist-front IVAW.--] (]) 19:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)		Concerning in which I commented, "Adam has temporarily been a member of a lot of things; no group should be given undue weight in the lede. (His role in IVAW is mentioned elsewhere in the article.)", I would also note for future editors that Adam has rapidly distanced himself from socialist sentiments; and it would therefore be inaccurate for the article to imply that he's currently a leftist via the communist-front IVAW.--] (]) 19:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
	-Get of his KOX (etym. of Kokesh = cock), your boy wonder has been x-posed! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		-Get of his KOX (etym. of Kokesh = cock), your boy wonder has been x-posed! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Judaism ==		== Judaism ==

	Whoever is doing this needs to stop denying Adam's heritage. Adam was raised Jewish, he may not practice Judaism today but this is still significant. Stop denying it, here is the source:		Whoever is doing this needs to stop denying Adam's heritage. Adam was raised Jewish, he may not practice Judaism today but this is still significant. Stop denying it, here is the source:

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	== ] ==		== ] ==

	There is an ] on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.		There is an ] on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

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Removed unsourced claim

I removed the sentence about Kokesh and others being targeted for arrest, because the only source for that paragraph, from US News, does not make that claim. RNealK (talk) 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

His "political party" bar in the infobox says he's Republican. That is not entirely true, he was Republican during his 2010 congressional run only. There is also a religion bar that says he's "Jewish", he is actually atheist but ethnically Jewish. There are numerous mentions of it, including this video where it is a more prominent subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JUfWlf2xNY (00:40 sec). DA1 (talk) 08:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Finding reliable sources for things one "knows are true" can be difficult.Sometimes it's just better to leave things out when not quite accurate. FYI. CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie🗽 19:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but that was't the case, as someone had entered his religion as "Jewish" (which is not accurate), than leave it blank. I have sourced and changed it to "atheist". DA1 (talk) 19:52, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

"Atheist" is not a religion. SPECIFICO talk 19:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I was going to change it to "None (atheist)". But thought i rather not, lest it be reverted and be blamed for not following "good faith" in refraining from editing the article. DA1 (talk) 20:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not suggesting you edit the article. I am suggesting it's nonsense to call "Atheist" a religion, on WP, on the street, in church, on the moon, or anywhere else. SPECIFICO talk 20:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

User SPECIFICO, for someone who has claimed "personal attack" against me for my use of terminology, i would say your statement is indeed against "good faith" and borderline 'personal attack'. I would also like to point out the contradictions in bringing up logic (on the correct use of "religion"/atheism), when you yourself refuse to acknowledge any of my logic. DA1 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I would like to address the recent edit removing the term "ethnically Jewish" to simply 'Jewish'. Jewish-ness is both a race and a religion. If Kokesh is an atheist (which he has repeatedly admitted), then the only thing that remains is being "ethnically" Jewish. Having an article that says he's "Jewish but an atheist", is extremely confusing to readers and even contradictory. There needs to be a reasonable level of user discretion in editing articles, as opposed to blindly including/deleting anything that isn't specifically mentioned in a citation. DA1 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I think we should keep what I wrote: "He was raised Jewish, but today is an outspoken Atheist". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp16103 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

removing un-reliable sources and sources that are primary documents

Using Misplaced Pages:Verifiability#Reliable_sources as our guide, we *must* avoid using as sources:

Blogs that are not subject to a news organization's normal fact-checking process
Questionable sources, "those that have a poor reputation for checking the facts, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest"
Self-published sources
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Primary sources, see: Misplaced Pages:BLP#Misuse_of_primary_sources and Misplaced Pages:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources.

I am removing information from this article that are supported only by sources from the categories I've listed above. Kingturtle = (talk) 16:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Your blanket revert reinstalled POV arguments and speculation into the article, and I've reverted it. Please clean up from this current version. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

IVAW

Concerning this edit, in which I commented, "Adam has temporarily been a member of a lot of things; no group should be given undue weight in the lede. (His role in IVAW is mentioned elsewhere in the article.)", I would also note for future editors that Adam has rapidly distanced himself from socialist sentiments; and it would therefore be inaccurate for the article to imply that he's currently a leftist via the communist-front IVAW.--Froglich (talk) 19:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC) -Get of his KOX (etym. of Kokesh = cock), your boy wonder has been x-posed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.35.149 (talk) 23:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Judaism

Whoever is doing this needs to stop denying Adam's heritage. Adam was raised Jewish, he may not practice Judaism today but this is still significant. Stop denying it, here is the source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ-doQFd3I — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp16103 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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