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Reponse to your "kind reprimand"

Carissime frater in Christo,

You write: "The claims made by you about the validity of the Ngo Dinh Thuc consecrations". What claims did I make? I was careful to point out that the Holy See had made no declaration about the validity. It only said it said it would treat those involved as in the state they were in before. The Holy See did say that. So what have I done wrong? Oremus pro invicem. Lima 20:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church

You have uploaded a few pictures saying you are the creator of them. Were you really at Bishop Thuc's Mass in 1982, and also at that traditionalist ordination listed as 2002? Also, the Roman Catholic Church article is about the Church as a whole. The particular ordination picture looks nice and has a place somewhere (if it's yours to give), but it does not represent very well the face of the Church today. I don't push to have Eastern Catholic pictures there. Gimmetrow 14:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I take some offense at your insinuations about my motives. Gimmetrow 14:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, Fontgombault is part of the Church. Let me put it this way - would you think it appropriate if I put in a picture of an Eastern full-immersion baptism and confirmation of an infant, and just referred to it as "confirmation"? Gimmetrow 15:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, then that identifies our difference. I would not find it appropriate to display a picture of Eastern infant confirmation and just refer to it as "confirmation" because I think that would misrepresent the majority Roman Catholic practice in the main RC article. It *would* be appropriate in the specialized confirmation article, where it could be given appropriate context as a custom in particular communities. I'm not sure what you mean by saying "Fontgombault is in the Latin rite Catholic Church" - we're talking about the Roman Catholic Church article. Gimmetrow 20:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

If you put antiques on display, it is only right that they be accompanied by an explanation, as you yourself have now begun to provide. The first explanation with which I accompanied your picture was incomplete: I must improve it. Oh, by the way, "show", not "elevate" is the word in the Tridentine Roman Missal: "Quibus verbis prolatis, statim Hostiam consecratam genuflexus adorat: surgit, ostendit populo, reponit super Corporale ..." Lima 04:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Please prove those acolythes kneeling int he Bohermeen pictures are priests. They are old acolythes. In 1950s Ireland, I was in my late teens and early twenties and neither then nor before did I ever see anything but young boys of elementary-school age (like the two in the picture) acting as altar servers in parish churches. On the occasion of the bishop's annual or, in some cases, biennial visit to the parish, children who would have left primary school before his next visit were confirmed; that's why the two altar boys are slightly younger than the confirmands. I don't need to prove the men kneeling at the altar rails were priests. If Smith2006 ceases to claim they were part of a normal Sunday congregation, I will cease to state what they were. The bishop is kneeling. Normally Confirmation is conferred at a Mass celebrated by the Bishop. Yes, though still not obligatory, that is normal now, one of the improvements made in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. It was not always so. So why are you constantly reverting my editions? Constantly removing my comments? I can't think why, unless perhaps (if the statement is true) Smith2006's editions and comments are constantly erroneous. Is Roman Catholicism your monopoly? Certainly not, not is it Smith2006's. Kind regards, Smith2006 14:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC) Warm good wishes to Smith2006. Lima 15:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I must apologize, not for the first time, to Gimmetrow for not having taken his observations seriously enough. I really am sorry, and have no sufficient excuse. The candles he refers to, and to see which I inexcusably failed to take the trouble to look again at the picture, are certainly the candles that used to be put out for Benediction or for the Quarant'Ore (Forty Hours) devotion.

On the other hand, the girls are not wearing a mantilla. Irish women wore hats to Mass, not mantillas, which they looked on as a Spanish custom and would sometimes bring back from a visit to Spain as a curiosity. (The mantillas that I saw brought back were always black, not white, and, if I remember right, shorter than those on the girls in the picture.) So who are the girls? Members of some sodality, like the Children of Mary? I confess I have nothing concrete to propose. Were they perhaps dressed like that for a Eucharistic Procession to follow the Mass? I no longer hold to my previous hypothesis that it is a Confirmation Mass.

The two candlesticks for seven candles each are indeed yet another indication that this Mass was no ordinary 1950s Mass, and indeed that, even with such a plentiful supply of priests, Catholics in Ireland hardly ever experienced a High Mass. Lima 18:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Jewish chant and early Christian music

Hi, Smith2006! I've been working on bringing the Gregorian chant article, and have some thoughts about the recent edits you made to that page. When you get a chance, would you take a look at the talk page? I think you may be working with outdated information. Thanks! Peirigill 19:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Your edits on German history

You do not own the Historical Eastern Germany article. Therefore please refrain from statements such as "Don´t touch my version." (see this edit) The rest of the edit description is a personal attack against me. See the WP:NPA (No personal attacks) Misplaced Pages policy. For your information I'm not a Polish (or any other) nationalist. I'm just a proud Pomeranian who believes the heritage of both Polish and German people should be remebered in all the lands that changed hands between the two nations in their intertwined history. Your edit record shows a strong bias for making NPOV (seeWP:NPOV) and inflamatory statements on many issues related to German history. You also tend to add unsourced material whenever you think it can further your opinions (see Misplaced Pages:Citing sources). Please remember Misplaced Pages is for readers of any political views from all nations. Therefore we should try to present objective and unbiased facts and where a controversy exists, try to present the views of both sides in a non-inflamatory way. This is most of all an enyclopedia: a source of of objective facts. However in addition to that, I strongly believe it should be a place that heals old wounds, not re-opens them. Tschüss, from a ProudPomeranian 06:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Your recent edits (Szczecin etc.)

Hi, it seems I have interfered with some of your recent edits including Szczecin, Gdańsk etc. I only wanted to let you know that I believe in you doing the edits in good faith and that if I reerted anything it was not intended as any POV pushing on my side either. Particularly, it would be interesting to have some more sourced information on what happened to Stettin in 1945, how it got into Polish hands, who gave orders and also about subsequential expulsions of the German inhabitants of the town. Would you have some verifiable sources about this ? --Lysy 13:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Pope Pius XII

Please discuss on the talk page before adding an unexplained NPOV tag to a featured article, removing images, or adding unreferenced text. The Pinchas Lapide figure is already sourced and in the "contemporary" section. As for the other things you wanted to add, you need a source. Please discuss on the talk page before making radical changes to an article. savidan 22:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Assuming good faith

Hi there, two things regarding :

1. The edit in question was made in good faith, and so was not vandalism, so please don't call it that.
2. Non-registered editors have the same editing privileges as registered editors.

Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 21:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Martin Luther Edit

Welcome to the Luther page. I'd like to comment on your addition. Before the Reformation, there was no such thing as the Roman Catholic Church. This is a term used after the Reformation to refer to those who remained loyal to the Pope rather than joining the Lutheran, Reformed or another Christian tradition. I just thought you'd like to know why I'll likely change it later today. Bob Smith --CTSWyneken 12:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

What I'm saying is, the term is anachronistic. It did not exist before the Reformation. So it is inaccurate to call the church "Roman Catholic." Second, there was no monastic order in the West that was not "Catholic" at the time, so the term itself, if meant to refer to submitting to the authority of the Pope is redundant. It's like saying "an American US Marine." Finally, we are supposed to use printed sources to support our edits. Do you have a source that calls Luther a "Roman Catholic monk?" If not, let's simply drop the language.--CTSWyneken 12:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Although it's not about winning in my book, just trying to keep things accurate. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the content of the article on the Martin Luther talk page -- if you can read past the vigorous debate over Martin Luther and the Jews. I'm trying to work on the rest of the article while that struggle goes on. --CTSWyneken 12:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the Martin Luther Page

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I'm currently trying to get a Dutch military task force started, would you join us? From what I've seen on the Netherlands in World war II article, you could most certainly provide a (more than) worthy contribution.

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Germans

Hi, care to take part in the Germans article, specifically the usage of the term regarding Austrian and Swiss nationals of German ethnicity? I see you have a healthy historical perspective on issues related to Germany. P.S. Good work on reversing the Nazi-Christian cooperation myth. Let's not forget that the church doscouraged its faithful from voting for the Nazis, while entry into the SS had far greater chances of success when one didnt belong to any religious congregation, and had proof thereof. Ulritz 15:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Article needing cleanup, or not worth it?

I noticed your name on a number of Catholic articles, including traditionalists, and wonder if you could take a look at a new article that just popped up, Latin Mass Society of Australia. Reads like a personal essay by a member than an article, not well written. Looks like they're more than Latin Tridentine advocates, with also a sedevacantist tinge. Don't know if it's worth cleaning up, or is the organization really not worth noting? -- Fan-1967 03:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)