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Revision as of 17:40, 11 August 2015

Welcome to my talk page. I have been editing Misplaced Pages since 2007. If you want to know more about me, see my user page. My work on Misplaced Pages, like a lot of others, has been complimented and criticized. And in March 2012, I was blocked; see the block cases. It's during that first block case that I learned a lot about WP:Assume good faith and who you can count on to be there for you; that experience has made me more acrimonious towards Misplaced Pages, and this feeling was intensified with my second block case (again, refer to the block cases link). Still, I believe that it's best that I help this site, seeing as many people come here for information (Misplaced Pages is almost always ranking highest in search engines, and that type of thing is always going to bring in a lot of readers) and a lot of those people trust what they read here. So it's my job to make sure that any topic I am heavily editing is as accurate as possible. Especially see User:Flyer22#Main type of editing style for why what you consider neutral, or what you consider needed with regard to images, likely differs from my view; don't know about you, but I'm following Misplaced Pages policies and/or guidelines in that regard. If you have any questions, compliments or criticism concerning my Misplaced Pages work, feel free to leave me a message here on my talk page or email me. If you leave me a message here, I will usually reply here.

Archive

• Archive 1 (from May 8, 2007 - June 20, 2007)
• Archive 2 (from June 24, 2007 - November 3, 2007
• Archive 3 (from December 20, 2007 - November 4, 2008)
• Archive 4 (from November 10, 2008 - June 6, 2009)
• Archive 5 (from June 10, 2009 - October 9, 2009)
• Archive 6 (from October 9, 2009 - March/April 2010)
• Archive 7 (from April 2, 2010 - January 20, 2011)
• Archive 8 (from January 21, 2011 - July 27, 2011)
• Archive 9 (from July 27, 2011 - March 20, 2012 )
• Archive 10/block cases (from March 21, 2012 - July 24, 2012, for block case 1; December 12, 2012 - December 19, 2012, and to December 24 concerning extra comments, for block case 2; 2014 for block case 3)
• Archive 10 in general (April 25, 2012- August 31, 2012)
• Archive 11 (September 4, 2012 - April 3, 2013)
• Archive 12 (April 5, 2013 - September 10, 2013)
• Archive 13 (September 14, 2013 - December 29, 2013)
• Archive 14 (December 30, 2013 - May 5, 2014)
• Archive 15 (May 6, 2014 - May 27, 2014)
• Archive 16 (May 29, 2014 - September 21, 2014)
• Archive 17 (September 20, 2014 - December 30, 2014 )
• Archive 18 (December 31, 2014 - April 3, 2015 )
• Archive 19 (April 3, 2015 - July 14, 2015; this archive has a lot of Cali11298 material, especially WP:Sockpuppeting material)

Todd Manning

Hi Fly, I know we haven't spoken for a while, but I have been keeping an eye on your always entertaining talk page, so I know you've been busy this summer. Things have been busy with me as well. I wish that I had more time for article development; it seems that all I've been doing is maintaining existing articles and community stuff. Good work on your sock puppet diligence.

I would like to, though, move forward with Todd's article. To sum up, you wanted to create a storyline section--something I didn't think was entirely necessary, but out of respect for your knowledge of all things Todd, I acquiesced and agreed. I still feel the same, and was waiting to improve the lead until you completed a storyline section. As I've said, I think that the article, in its current state, is ready to submit to FAC. I'm willing to wait a little longer, but not much. Are you still committed to writing a storyline section? If so, do you think you can complete it in the next month, like mid-August? If not, I'll go ahead and improve the lead, then submit it, and take the lead for dealing with the reviews.

I'm a little sorry that I told you to watch The Flash based on Howarth's appearances. I doubt that his character will be back, alas. It was nice seeing him on the show for a while. With Tony Geary leaving GH this summer, Howarth has been rare there as well. Ah well. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Christine (Figureskatingfan), I've been meaning to get back to you on the Todd Manning article. Sorry for the wait. As you know, I am very lazy these days when it comes to Misplaced Pages articles I've set my mind on improving. Yes, I am still going to do the Storylines section and will be finished with it this month. As for the lead, I thought you were done with it. What more do you want to do with it? There are other parts of the article that need minor tweaking, but that can also be done during the WP:FA review.

As for The Flash, I'm glad that you and Bignole recommended it to me; as you can see, it's currently listed on my user page as one of my recent favorite television shows. I also talked with Bignole about the season finale. Flyer22 (talk) 05:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I was done, but I was waiting for you to include your storyline additions. I'll definitely look over the entire article before submitting it to FAC, especially the lead. I'm looking forward to what you include this month, thanks. I just looked at that conversation with Bignole; how fun. I love Tom Cavanagh, too, so I was also happy to hear that he'll be back. Do you watch Arrow, too? In some ways, I like The Flash better. Although my husband says I like Arrow because it's full of hunky men engaging in what's basically sword fighting. Our joke is that if a TV show or movie, no matter how bad it is, has ships (space or sailing), he's all in, and if it has swordfighting, I'm in. But anyway, I digress. Glad to reconnect with you again, pal. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Christine. And, no, I don't watch Arrow; I might someday. Flyer22 (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Re:Thanks for the pictures

For me it is a pleasure. Thank you for the compliments --Bart ryker (talk) 15:44, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Flyer22 (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon

Hi. I'm looking for help in writing Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon‎. I was born many years after the event, but from what i can gather, the Ratcliffe-Gordon disappearance is second only to the Beaumont children disappearance for South Australians and ranks alongside the Beaumonts and the Disappearance of Eloise Worledge for Australian child crime history. Paul Austin (talk) 19:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Paul Austin, I'm not interested in working on that material. I see that you contacted others about it. Maybe one of them will/can help you. Flyer22 (talk) 02:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

@Flyer22: I'm sorry. I was feeling kind of desperate. Paul Austin (talk) 09:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Grammar lessons (or, follow your own advice and quit acting like you know commas...)

Your own example of "His father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized in..." is EXACTLY the same as, "The 2007 film, Cougar Club, was dedicated to..." so stop taking out correct commas. Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project where we should all collaborate to keep things correct. Thus, we don't want errors like the ones you've been making. I'm glad we were able to have this talk, I've also gone and cleaned up your "mess." Have a good day.Cebr1979 (talk) 09:25, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Cebr1979, the last time you visited my talk page, I was clear to you that you are a highly problematic editor that I do not want to work with. Considering that you have been repeatedly told by others that "Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project," it is ironic that you are stating that to me. And given that you continued on that problematic path, as is clear from postings to your talk page since then (you know, the ones you delete), it's clear that nothing has changed. "His father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized" is not the same thing as "The 2007 film, Cougar Club, was dedicated to" wording. As you know by now, I've taken this matter to the article talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 09:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't remember ever being to your talk page before, (<--look! a comma!) you clearly weren't worth remembering. Peace out! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cebr1979 (talk • contribs)

Cebr1979, as various Misplaced Pages editors know, I have a very good memory. So don't take it to mean that you are special because I remember you, especially since, as is well known, problematic editors are quite easy to remember. The day you are indefinitely blocked will be a good day for Misplaced Pages. Flyer22 (talk) 09:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

You're just a wiki God, Flyer. Thank the Heavens we have you as the "experienced editor" you seem to love reminding everyone you are. Gag. Don't ping me anymore, I'm busy trying to forget you again.Cebr1979 (talk) 09:51, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Cebr1979, considering that you are roaming outside of your usual soap opera areas and popping up in areas where I edit and I see you behaving in a WP:BATTLEGROUND way each and every time, with multiple editors trying to talk sense into you, I can't promise that I won't WP:Ping you again. Not any more than you can promise to stop your WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior, WP:Personal attacks and WP:Edit warring at every turn. Flyer22 (talk) 10:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Yep. 'Cause I totally and absolutely went to the Cougar (slang) page just to see you, Flyer. Like, I totally knew that's a page you edit. <--that's all sarcasm, by the way - you may not know what that is but, wikipedia has a page for it--> I'm curious, Flyer, should I check with you in advance when deciding to edit a non-soap opera page or are we in agreement that this is https://en.wikipedia.org/ and not flyer22.com?Cebr1979 (talk) 10:19, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

SOS !

Hello Flyer22! Have you had the time in your busy life to check this  ?

It is impossible to add anything decent to article: all work is being immediately rejected/reworded/reverted by my *opponent*! Is there a way to put a stop to it?

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Blue Indigo (talk · contribs), of course there is something we can do. That is why I made this comment offering my assistance. Your response surprised me a bit, considering that Aubmn is not an editor one can work with (not for long and without serious and/or frustrating complications anyway), as is demonstrated all over that talk page. I will see about getting him banned from that article (an article ban) since he is completely WP:OWNing it. Given what has occurred at that talk page, that he has been blocked for his WP:Disruption at that article, and taken to WP:ANI for it, it should not be difficult to get him banned from editing that article. In my opinion, he shouldn't be editing Misplaced Pages at all. Flyer22 (talk) 03:13, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, thank you for returning to me. I did not jump on your offer to step in immediately because, after my last long post at MA's talk page I thought that our dear friend might decide to behave a little bit more courteously by stopping his (1) insulting manners on the talk page; (2) disruptive behavior editing the article; and it is what happened from 10 June to 17 July; at which date the situation began to escalate . Ever since, attempting to edit has turned into a duel, which I am sure you could foresee (!) Anyway, that's where we are now & I have come to the conclusion that trying to bring any amelioration to the article is a waste of time, with the added dumb risk of being blocked for edit warring, which I am sure is his goal. His edit history seems to follow the same pattern he has been using at MA's article: arming himself with the misinterpreted rules & regulations of Misplaced Pages to always find something wrong with other contributors, forcing his opinion down our throat, and, on several occasions, giving a source that says exactly the opposite of what he is putting in the article. Finally, the habit he has of jumping on last editor's last edit robs that editor of the freedom to check his latest entry & correct it, if necessary. It also comes across as total surveillance.

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 09:30, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

With editors like that, my WP:Assume good faith usually leaves quickly. I have no more faith in them after a certain early point, WP:Newbie or not. Years ago, my faith in other editors would last longer. Not these days. Too much experience with problematic editors; too much bitterness there for me. I know very quickly if an editor is the type of editor who is at all good for Misplaced Pages. Some such editors are good for Misplaced Pages in certain ways, but not in other ways; that goes for a lot of us. For example, an editor might state or feel that "Flyer22 is not patient enough to deal with this particular matter." It's true that I have had enough of certain types of editors and might be quick to want that editor gone because I can see the net negative there, even if I don't yet have enough evidence to ensure that the editor is indefinitely blocked or banned. Sometimes that makes me look like a bitch, but I call them like I see them. I don't like affording a second chance to people it will be wasted on. And with Aubmn, I'm not seeing any net positive there. He's had more than one chance to reform.

I see that Aubmn's first block was a result of Thomas.W's report: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive243#User:Aubmn reported by User:Thomas.W (Result: Blocked 36 hours). His second block was a result of Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive880#User:Aubmn and sockpuppetry. Again, I will get around to proposing a WP:Article ban for Aubmn, if someone else doesn't beat me to it first. Flyer22 (talk) 10:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

What I was referring to RE his edit history was an article in which Aubmn practiced his talent, albeit on a smaller scale, at what was be done later to MA's article. His first edit , some descriptive on 20 Sept. 2014, which led to back & forth reverts thru Oct 2014->January2015, vocabulary & tactic used later at MA . Then there was the Napoléon period which he ran thru with his Panzerdivision, blowing up whole sections, "trimming" them to the bone. Someone quickly put a stop to it . It is about that date that he came full time on MA's article. Of course, the above has nothing to do with the Marie Antoinette case, but it does show a pattern of extremely disruptive behavior.

Between us, I can hardly wait for him to move here .

My apologies for the sarcasme on your talk page. --Blue Indigo (talk) 13:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, I waited that long to call your attention back to this *SOS* and this is proof that trying to achieve anything on article IS mission impossible - which you knew. There is no use wasting any more time on this poor article as long as other editor is standing guard over it with his refusal to accept anyone's contribution. By the time you read this, he probably will have again reverted me, then will not return to article & leave it as is until someone else tries to edit it. That is his game. Also, I will not accept his 'invitation' of discussing anything with him on article talk page: the page is filled with months long discussions with other contributors & myself that lead to nowhere.

Have a good day, --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

P.S. This is where article was at when I began note to you . It has since been reverted. --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Anilingus discussion

I have started a new discussion, which seems related to a 2013 discussion you were part of. Feel free to weigh in, or not. Peter Chastain 00:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User:Peter Chastain, please see Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary. Viriditas (talk) 00:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Viriditas, I appreciate the feedback. On the other hand, I was trying to fix a problem in the article. Can we please continue this discussion on the article's talk page? Thanks. Peter Chastain 00:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Peter. I think you misunderstood what "talk page stalker" (tps) means. Since you started this thread, you're not a talk page stalker. Since I'm stalking this page, and I responded to a question asked of Flyer22, I'm the tps, which is why I used the template. In any case, I have no interest in taking part in the talk page discussion, which is another reason I identified as a tps. Viriditas (talk) 02:38, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Peter Chastain, I'm not interested in that matter or discussing it. I've mentioned before that the Anilingus article is one of the articles I'm least interested in; that's still the case. But I'll go ahead and discuss your intentions a little... As for you creating a section at that article called "Slang synonyms," make you sure that it is appropriately sourced...per WP:Reliable sources. IMDb, which you've mentioned at that talk page, is generally regarded as a poor source on Misplaced Pages; see Misplaced Pages:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb. Also consider combining your slang section with the barely-there Etymology section, so that the section is titled Etymology and terminology; I propose that because the Etymology section is a single sentence, and, per MOS:Paragraphs, "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading." I also propose it because, in my opinion, "Terminology" is more encyclopedic than "Slang synonyms."

On a side note: I remember we talked before; see Talk:List of paraphilias/Archive 3#Update for DSM-5. Flyer22 (talk) 08:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

And Misplaced Pages talk:Gender-neutral language/Archive 1#Transsexual, transgender. Flyer22 (talk) 08:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Viriditas, yes, I did misinterpret the tps template. I was trying to figure out the mechanism whereby something that you wrote here resulted in my receiving a notification. I guess the software must do that automatically, when it sees a User wikilink. Thanks for the clarification.

Flyer22, yes, our paths have crossed a few times, and I have seen you on WP even more often. There being so many editors, that always surprises me. Thanks for your suggestions, all of them both useful for the article in question and helpful in my quest to become a more proficient editor. Peter Chastain 05:01, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Periods

Yes periods may begin as early as 8 among normal girls. Your wording is still fine. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Doc James, regarding this, this and this edit at the Menstrual cycle article, the reason that I changed the text, other than to correct the typo, is because I thought that the "They may occationally start as early as eight and still be normal." sentence was stating that the girls may still be normal. That's why I stated, "And whether or not the girl is normal is not exactly the issue; it's the process." My point was that a girl might have an irregular/non-normal period, but that doesn't mean that the girl is not a normal girl. I was stating that the focus should be on the period. I then realized that the focus was already on the period. The "they" part is about the periods. Flyer22 (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure. Yes the girl may be normal and still have periods that may or may not be normal as early as 8 years of age. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

WLIT-FM Edits

Hello! I recently saw you undid my edits to WLIT-FM. I understand you feel that my edits to the format and the music it plays were unconstructive and incorrect. However, in footnote 6 of the page, the station pushing a Hot AC format is mentioned with the station's updated playlist. It is also mentioned in the Adult Contemporary page on Misplaced Pages that: "Hot adult contemporary radio stations play a variety of classic hits and contemporary mainstream music aimed at an adult audience. Some Hot AC stations concentrate slightly more on mainstream pop music and alternative rock to target the Generation Z audience, though they include the more youth-oriented teen pop, urban and rhythmic dance tracks."

WLIT-FM's format is heavy on current/recurrent music, and therefore its playlist is closest to the Hot Adult Contemporary format. The My FM branding is also used on other iHeartMedia owned HOT ACs such as WLGX in Louisville, KY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.22.241.115 (talk • contribs)

Feel free to restore your material then. I wondered if I should have simply reverted your edit as a WP:Good faith edit. Flyer22 (talk) 23:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/WLIT-FM
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/Adult_contemporary_music#Hot_adult_contemporary
3. http://chicagoradioandmedia.com/news/5683-wlit-fm-drops-the-lite-changes-to-93-9-my-fm
4. http://www.939myfm.com/music/playlist/

Your contributed article, MOS:Neo

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Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, MOS:Neo. First, thank you for your contribution; Misplaced Pages relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – MOS:NEO. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Misplaced Pages. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at MOS:NEO – you might like to discuss new information at ].

If you think the article you created should remain separate, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Misplaced Pages looks forward to your future contributions. | Naypta opened his mouth at 08:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the template, Twinkle templated automatically. CSD'd it because the same already exists with the MOS:NEO shortcode, and the convention is all caps I believe. | Naypta opened his mouth at 08:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Naypta, that redirect doesn't need deletion. It matters not that a completely capitalized version of it exists, just like it matters not that a completely capitalized version of WP:Neo exists. Some of us get tired of capitalizing a policy or guideline throughout and/or feel that the lowercase version makes more sense. WP:Redirects are cheap. Flyer22 (talk) 08:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of how cheap redirects were! Will remove the CSD. :) | Naypta opened his mouth at 08:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Naypta, thank you. Flyer22 (talk) 08:17, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Welp, @RHaworth: deleted it just as I hit save to remove the CSD. | Naypta opened his mouth at 08:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

And restored it: "(Deletion log); 08:19 . . RHaworth (talk | contribs) restored page MOS:Neo ‎(2 revisions restored: redirects are cheap)." Flyer22 (talk) 08:31, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Todd Manning, Part 2

Trevor St. John never portrayed the character. I'll get that info removed.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... it looks like a case of owning and not fully realising what you're doing. I'm going to go re-link those characters you unlinked (as per standard wikipedia linking) and also change the cast members page name back to the right one. As for St. John, that'll be a discussion. I already know what the consensus will be. Everyone agreed about Drake Hogestyn being taken out of Roman Brady's infobox. Talk soon.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Another example would be like when Kelli Giddish was hired to play Dixie Cooney on AMC but, then turned out to be a new character named Di Henry. Or when If you like, you can start consensus talk. I'm okay with that. I'll wait a bit and see what you decide.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Cebr1979, I knew it was a matter of time before you started editing one of the few soap opera articles that I edit. Per our latest previous interaction noted in the #Grammar lessons (or, follow your own advice and quit acting like you know commas...) section above, I am not interested in discussing this matter with you at all. You are wrong...again. This case is not like the Kelli Giddish/Dixie Cooney matter at all, since Kelli Giddish was never officially Dixie Cooney. Flyer22 (talk) 23:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: I altered the heading of this section with ", Part 2," so that editors are not taken to an identical section heading above when editing this section. Flyer22 (talk) 23:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure. It's your talk page.Cebr1979 (talk) 03:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Cebr1979 (talk) 03:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Good luck. Flyer22 (talk) 04:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Previous account

I managed to dig up my previous account on Misplaced Pages. Here you go Userpage and contributions --Iady391 (talk) 12:25, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Iady391, do you think I'm a fool? Does what I outline on my user page about knowing when an editor is a non-new returning editor sound like I can be fooled on matters such as these? There is no way on this Earth that the Typehumor (talk · contribs) account gave you enough experience to edit Misplaced Pages in the experienced way that you edit it. I stand by what I stated in our previous discussion. You remind me of one editor in particular, and you will have no luck throwing me off that scent. Flyer22 (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you're a fool, but I do think that this conversation is getting unproductive. I'll just leave it now. Iady391 | Talk to me here 21:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

apology

I am here by to make my guilt..... my edits won't dissapoint u in near future.... sorry for those Edits..... Jannat khalsa (talk) 08:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

derek shepherd

i have no clue if i'm doing this properly (sorry) but derek is actually referred to as mcass quite a bit, especially in the fandom. i wasn't trying to be offensive in any way, i just thought it could be added. Katerpleena (talk) 13:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for what I wrote on the RfA talk page. I mentioned the whole outing thing because I wanted to stop the incorrect accusations of lying that were flying about, but I felt uncomfortable about the possibility that I could have been revealing personal information that Liz would not have wanted revealed. As a result I overreacted when you asked how they found out her identity. Sorry about that. Brustopher (talk) 21:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Brustopher. I accept your apology. I understand how trying to accurately convey one's meaning and intent via text can come across muddled and/or completely inaccurate. That is what happened between you and me. Seeing your reply and Liz's reply, I also understand that my questions on the matter were not the best for her well-being, especially if someone had revealed something that could have caused her harm. So it would have been better had I not asked. Sorry about that, Liz. Flyer22 (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

It's an RfA, Flyer22, it's a stressful situation all around. Pass or no, I'm looking forward to Tuesday morning. I hope you're having a good weekend. Liz 21:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. You're handling that matter very well, outwardly at least. As for me, I just got back from my youngest brother's wedding (the one who used to edit Misplaced Pages, and probably still does as IPs or under a different account). It's 11:21 PM where I'm at right now. But, hey, it was a nice cap to my weekend. Hard to believe he's married at 21, though. Married before me, and to a lovely young woman, and the first of my four siblings to get married. Flyer22 (talk) 04:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Who are u mate ? Do you know anything about operation blue star

Tell plz Pritmaan128 (talk) 09:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello: Math

Are you a mathematician? (or a physicist etc.). I have several questions about some articles on mathematics in English wiki, but I don't know whom can I ask my questions. --Tamtam90 (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Tamtam90 (talk · contribs), I reverted you here because your edit was inappropriate. As for math, as noted on my user page, I generally stay away from editing Misplaced Pages math topics.

On a side note: I added ": Math" on to your heading so that it is clearer as to what this section is about, and will be easier to locate once archived. Flyer22 (talk) 18:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

As for where you can go to ask about math on Misplaced Pages, you can query the matter at the talk page of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Mathematics or Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Mathematics. Flyer22 (talk) 18:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! --Tamtam90 (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

SOS 2

Flyer22 - you may not have read the post + PS I left earlier today, as you are a very busy person. ; . However, since you had written this: Again, I will get around to proposing a WP:Article ban for Aubmn, if someone else doesn't beat me to it first. Flyer22 (talk) 10:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC), and since no one else has beaten you to it, I am asking you to (please) step in because this situation is insufferable and, as is, Misplaced Pages might as well blank out or lock the Marie Antoinette article - which is turning out to be the worst piece of wiki Mumble Jumble. This afternoon (afternoon in my little village in Europe (), Aubmn has added another piece of his literary & historical talent here . Yesterday, I had managed to bring the article down to around 112000 & was planning to get it much lower after having gone thru last sections & removed more unnecessary verbiage; but A has brought it up to over 115000 with a bunch of unintelligible rehashed tear jerking material. In addition, when he reverted me earlier today, he put back some huge inexactitude(s) of his - that I had corrected -, which shows his total ignorance of the workings of the French government in the Ancien Régime: using a title that never existed and, to boot, for someone who would have never been able to have such a title because of his low birth and the fact that he was a foreigner - unacceptable in an encyclopedia. All that is left to say is that I tried... and ended up like everyone else before me. Dommage!

If you feel your talk page is not the place to bring this up, please let me know, or move discussion somewhere else. Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 17:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I saw it. It's just that I'm currently not in a proactive mood to deal with this case. Yes, I know this is a change from how I previously was regarding this editor. But, on Misplaced Pages, when I see others not caring, I can sometimes cease to care. He's been disruptive for months, and the problem has yet to be dealt with as successfully as it could have been. You can go ahead and write up a report at WP:ANI about this disruptive editing and WP:Ping the relevant parties (including those who complained about Aubmn) there. I would support your commentary on this there. If you do this, make sure you point to the past and current problems regarding Aubmn's editing (such as WP:Copyright violations, falsifying text, WP:Edit warring, WP:Socking, the WP:IDIDN'THEARTHAT behavior, and the fact that he's been blocked before for editing disruptively at that article). Be clear about how it has driven away editors. I would recommend that you be concise with your report, since people's attention spans are often poor and they have a WP:Too long; didn't read mindset (including those helping out at WP:ANI), but a thorough report is fine in this case. If your report is significantly long, then consider using Template:Collapse. Flyer22 (talk) 00:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, thank you for returning to me, also hoping that you are not putting me in the category of those who do not care :( as caring is what this has been all along with me. It is just that I wanted to amass enough (additional) evidence, which I believe I have succeeded in doing.

Thank you for pointing out to me the marche à suivre and I will contact others when they are back from their summer holiday.

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 07:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Let me know if you change your mind:)

No, I know that you care. Flyer22 (talk) 07:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Merci! :)

Have a good day! --Blue Indigo (talk) 07:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22 - waiting for others to come back from holiday was not that good an idea after all as, in the meantime, I put myself at risk of being blocked or kicked out of Misplaced Pages, which would be quite ironic!

Anyway, all was done on my part for the good of the cause, and if I get blocked because of trying to save an article from ruin, well! that's that! Will get back to articles whose main contributor is waiting for my review & editing - also to my own work with a deadline at the doorstep.

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Reported at WP:ANI. Flyer22 (talk) 01:28, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, I want to thank you for this, you handled it much better than I would know how to.

Best to you, --Blue Indigo (talk) 12:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

SpaghettiCali

Good call. Thanks for helping me put the pieces together. Yunshui _水 08:25, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. And thanks for trusting me on that. Flyer22 (talk) 08:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Yunshui, he might also have WP:Sleepers; just noting that in case you didn't do a sleeper check. Flyer22 (talk) 08:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

There's nothing else on that IP or the IPs of the other Cali socks I matched it to. Yunshui _水 08:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Flyer22 (talk) 08:42, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

KTC, regarding this, mind letting me know what he stated? Feel free to email me the details if you'd rather not repost the material here on Misplaced Pages. And don't worry; I'm quite used to his abusive language; see the "05:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)" post in that link. I like to be in know when it comes to these things so that I might cite them and/or use them against him in the future. Flyer22 (talk) 13:51, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, policy does not allow me to release the information either publicly or in private. For that matter, I no longer actually have access to the edit since it has been oversighted. All I can tell you is that it was a highly offensive personal attack against another editor. -- KTC (talk) 14:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

KTC, thank you for taking the time to reply. I have been sent oversighted material before. I don't see where the oversight policy is clear that you are not allowed to send me details on this matter. If the attack were about a different editor, I would understand you not releasing the information. But seeing as the material was about me (I'm sure it was), I don't see the problem with you informing me of what was stated. I suppose I should imagine it was worse than his "05:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)" commentary. Anyway, again thanks for replying. Flyer22 (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

No, the statement were made against a different editor. -- KTC (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Surprising. I appreciate you letting me know. Flyer22 (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Note: For documentation, Password12 (talk · contribs) is a WP:Sleeper account related to this case; the account tried to save one of the Cali articles I tagged as WP:G5. See the talk page commentary for evidence; only WP:Administrators/higher-ups have access to that now that the article is deleted. Flyer22 (talk) 02:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

On the look-out for sock puppetry

Hi, you do not know me but I am Darkknight2149. On this site, I mainly edit articles pertaining to fiction (esp. the subject of comic books). I recently noticed a sock puppet of Cali11298 edit the article, Prometheus (comics), which you reverted. After doing my homework on this user, I reverted two of his edits here and here. If you know of any comic book related articles that this user has been known to edit (I already know about Merlyn (DC Comics)), I can keep an eye out for possible sock puppets. If I see any suspicious activity, I'll let you know, as you are much more experienced with this user than I am. Darkknight2149 (talk) 04:20, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Darkknight2149. Thanks for the offer to help. This editor has a portion of my life that I can never get back; I've dealt with him so often now that it has seemingly overshadowed all the other sock cases I have worked on. I'm now "the catch Cali11298 editor" to some people. I seriously would have moved on from this editor by now if it weren't for the fact that he keeps editing in places that I edit, is aspiring to be a WP:Administrator, and is learning more and more about how to appropriately use WP:Policies and guidelines by watching me and others; this has made it so that he is starting to blend in with the good editors better than he previously did. I mean, his run as Spaghetti07205 (talk · contribs) shows some improvement as an editor. But clearly not enough to have kept off JzG (Guy)'s radar as a problematic editor. The last thing Misplaced Pages needs is Cali11298 blending in well enough to be seen as a decent Wikipedian; and I state that because I don't think he can ever be improved enough to actually be a decent Wikipedian. He will always be a wolf in sheep's clothing to me. If he were to prove me wrong on that, then at least Misplaced Pages would no longer be at risk with him editing it. As for reverting his edits per WP:Block evasion, yes, you made a good call here. I likewise didn't revert all of his edits; this is because some of them were improvements that should stay (like sourcing uncited material) and because others were caught up in intervening edits (edits by others). I reverted enough of them, though (improvements included), and I had his articles deleted per WP:G5, so that he continues to get the point that he is not supposed to be editing Misplaced Pages and, because of that, his edits have a higher chance of being obliterated. I also meant to take care of this bit you took care of. Flyer22 (talk) 05:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

On a side note: What makes you think he edited the Merlyn (DC Comics) article? Flyer22 (talk) 06:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't mean to contribute to the perception that you're the "catch Cali11298 editor." I'm just concerned that if he shouldn't be editing on Misplaced Pages and has made disruptive edits in the past, he may make them again in the future. My goal is always the betterment of whatever article I edit, so you can understand why this is a concern.

As for the Merlyn article, I double checked the revision history and a Cali sock puppet didn't edit it after all. I thought I remembered seeing one of the sock puppets edit it when I was researching him but I guess I must have it confused with another article. Darkknight2149 (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

You reverting an edit of mine (4 August, Civility)

Hello. I challenge a recent edit of yours, in: Misplaced Pages talk:Civility#Incorrect revert. --Corriebertus (talk) 12:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries correctly

You removed Spaghetti's edits from Chris Christie but removed other people's, too. Do not use inaccurate edit summaries. This can confuse you for a vandal, who sometimes uses inaccurate edit summaries intentionally to hide vandalism. Thank you. No names left!! abcd (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

No names left!! abcd (talk · contribs), you are referring to this revert. I feel that it was a correct edit summary, though I agree that it failed to note what else I reverted. I noted in the #On the look-out for sock puppetry section above that I was careful about reverting that WP:Sock's edits. With regard to your edit, I don't see that it was needed. So that it got caught up in the WP:Sock's edit didn't seem problematic to me. And as you can see from this edit, another editor doesn't see your addition as necessary or an improvement. Flyer22 (talk) 21:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Good job, but not good faith edit in first place. Yours, Quis separabit? 13:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

William Lynch speech

That was copyvio, it's found on a number of websites but this is its origin. Doug Weller (talk) 14:05, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about that, Doug Weller. Flyer22 (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Dubious edit by anon on humoral immunity

I'm investigating the following suspicious edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Humoral_immunity&diff=prev&oldid=624707821

in which

Humoral immunity, also called the antibody-mediated immune system ...

became

Humoral immunity, also called the antibody-mediated beta cullularis immune system ...

On a quick search, I can only find echo-chamber articles containing "beta cullularis" or "beta cellularis". It appears to be completely made up.

A while back you reverted the following edit as "good faith".

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Transamination&diff=prev&oldid=608577987

which you attribute to 59.96.232.143 but which my subject (69.50.69.34) also appears to have made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Transamination&diff=prev&oldid=550195949

First things: both versions of this statement are probably wrong as (apparently) authoritative sources tend to include proline on this list.

Second thing: I lack enough knowledge of this subject to pursue this investigation further, as to whether this user's edits in general are fully constructive.

Here's another one that is perhaps a step in the wrong direction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Circulatory_system_of_the_horse&diff=prev&oldid=443612550

I've now taken this as far as my time permits, so I would be pleased if you could pick up the thread. — MaxEnt 14:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

MaxEnt, I can see why you find the "beta cullularis" addition suspicious. So do I. I could ask about this at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology and/or WP:Med if you like. Biological terms are things I'm very familiar with, but not that "term."

As for the "facial artery" edit at the Circulatory system of the horse article, that is fine. Like our Facial artery article states, it is called "external maxillary artery" in older texts. See this and this Google Books search. Besides, if it had been wrong, Montanabw would have reverted. Flyer22 (talk) 14:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know

who you mean at - if you want to email me about it, feel free. Doug Weller (talk) 14:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Doug Weller, what are you confused about? You interacted with that editor, and also commented in the thread I linked to in that post. Flyer22 (talk) 14:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, very tired for some reason. Either my sleep apnoea or a very painful arm at night. I've figured it out. Doug Weller (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Kingshowman

I recommend disengaging. Clearly this user has a grudge against you, and nothing you say will change that. Other users may be able to walk him off the ledge (doubtful), but I fear that you're just fuel for his fire at the moment. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 17:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)