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== Dubious == |
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As I was copyediting this article, I found some information in it that I find dubious. (Much of the article is unsourced.) In particular, the article claims "Tacitus stated that the Germans were passionately fond of dicing", but there were no "Germans" at that time, and any such term would be an anachronism. There were Gauls, Franks, Celts, Teutons, and Goths, all living in that general region and/or providing ancestors for modern Germans, and I'm not sure what group Tacitus referred to. – ] <sup>(])</sup> 17:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC) |
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Also, the article claims "The word for four in Chinese, Japanese and Korean is a homophone of the word for death and is considered unlucky." Japanese, Korean, and the various languages in China are from different language families and have very different words for both "four" and "death". It isn't a homophone in all these languages. – ] <sup>(])</sup> 18:19, 27 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:I guess we can see why it is was delisted at GAR... there's a lot of fix, but thank you for the copyedit! ] (]) 18:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::For anyone who's curious, The Chinese-Japanese-Korean thing is about the Chinese writing system. , the character for 'four' is pronounced the same or similarly as , the character for 'death'. Chinese languages, Japanese, and to a lesser extent Korean all use these characters, so this aversion is shared. Having said that, the connection to this topic is really "dicey", and I would have no problem cutting it from the article. ] (]) 08:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Three points for "dicey". I too think it should be omitted. – ] <sup>(])</sup> 13:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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The use of "Germans" probably refers to the tribes of Germania as collectively identified in this way by the Romans. It seems to me one of those ''acceptable'' historical anachronisms. For example retrospectively referring to the ], what was going on in "England" when it was clearly individual Anglo-Saxon/Danish kingdoms or referring to Christopher Columbus as Italian before such a country existed. Now to the red fours. A linked article says now about India being the origin of red fours. ''Why?''. Like thirteen in the west, four is an unlucky number in much of the far East and there have been sources to say the Red is a lucky colour used to compensate the bad luck. The origins of unlucky four may or may not be down to the homophone with death in Chinese, but it does not need to also be a homophone in other languages for the supistition to spread. ] (]) 08:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:I dispute that those anachronisms are acceptable for an encyclopedia. They are not NPOV because they are deliberate attempts to construct nationalistic narratives around ill-fitting historical facts. Your cited examples are more obviously non-neutral than the usage in this article that you mean to support by them so they actually undermine your case. ] (]) 03:16, 23 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::The line about Tacitus and the "Germans" appears to be derived from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica . I'll leave it to someone else to actually track down where they got it from, but as I recall, there's a lot of stuff attributed to Tacitus that only survives 2nd or 3rd hand, much like it ended up in this article. ] is a valid historical concept, so calling them Germans is slightly clumsy, but I don't think this is non-neutral. ] (]) 03:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Games played with dice == |
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== Games played with dice == |
I was looking at this page in mobile view, and the image at the top of the page (at least) appeared to extend outside of the box for it, covering some of the page text. If it's necessary, I was using an iPad (unsure of version: school-owned) in a horizontal orientation. RETheUgly (talk) 17:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello all,
I just took a picture of an old die I saw at a museum dating back to 2000 B.C. Should I upload this to the Misplaced Pages Commons image page?
