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Battle of Batapur

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No information available about this battle at all there is no mention in enough amount of sources that there should be a separate page or even a paragraph dedicated to this unknown battle if it matters. D4iNa4 (talk) 12:01, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Pinging @Kautilya3, Wikibaba1977, and AmritasyaPutra:() for opinion. D4iNa4 (talk) 07:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Human3015  13:19, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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• Delete - only 165 Google hits for Battle of Batapur. Article does not mention any fatalities. Unless it was called something else, it appears rather insignificant. —Мандичка 😜 13:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
• Delete: This is a series of battle articles created by various Indian and Pakistani POV pusher editors. As Wikimandia said it is very insignificant incident and no mention of this "battle" in independent reliable sources. Moreover if there is any "mention" still a passing mention do not deserve separate article. Currently article has this source which is a "opinion" as heading says. This is the best source that creator got, this source only have passing mention of Batapur bridge. I wonder this should be called as "battle" or not, this is seems to be an original research. This incident is insignificant specially when there is vast reliable literature on India-Pakistan conflicts still there is no description of this event in those sources. Fails WP:MILNG.--Human3015  14:02, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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• Delete: per nominator. --AmritasyaPutra 03:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
• Keep, Rename/Move and Create a Redirect while we are at it: The actual battle is called 'battle of dograi and batapore'. Lots of books written about this which discuss it in detail. A simple google search with the real name brings forth a handful of RS. So no need to delete, just rename. here are only a few of the sources on the net. There are many books which are not digitized, so other sources may also be found. Anyway, there are many books which establish notability. Like, this, this, this, this, this, and of course this book which has been written in its entirety about this single battle. I am sure when there are entire books written about a battle we don't delete their articles. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 06:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
• Keep, Rename and Develop: This source (Anthony, Frank (1969), Britain's betrayal in India: the story of the Anglo-Indian community, Allied Publishers) says The battle of Dograi has rightfully taken its place as an epic in the Indo-Pakistan conflict. Clearly notable. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I think that we are confusing two things here. First we have to know what was Dograi.

"Dograi was a township that stood on the East bank of the Ichhogil Canal."

"Dograi, a small township located on the east bank of the Ichhogil canal, was the scene of bitter fighting."

"The battle of Dograi was the last and also one of the grimmest battles before the cease-fire. Situated on the Ichogil Canal on the main Grand Trunk Road Axis."

"After capturing the township of Dograi, we neutralised the strongly-held pre-Ichhogil canal line of defence."

"Situated on the eastern bank of Ichhogil canal, Dograi is about eight miles from Lahore."

Your source also mentions Icchogil Canal on same page. Since Icchogil Canal was related which is related to battle of Lahore, that means we already got an article on this battle, which is known as Lahore Front, and there is also a Battle of Ichogil Bund where the battle went from 22-23 September, but the article is not well written. "Battle of Batapur", name and the article still remains dubious with mostly false information and unknown, that's why nominated for deletion. D4iNa4 (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Keep One can find mention of Battle of Batapur in following books

• The Story of My Struggle by Tajammal Hussain Malik
• India-Pakistan War, 1965, Volume 1 by Hari Ram Gupta
• Missed opportunities Indo-Pak war 1965 by Lachhman Singh Lehl
• Prepare Or Perish: A Study of National Security By K. V. Krishna Rao

Wikibaba1977 (talk) 05:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

• Keep and Rename: I could not find anything good on the internet, but those books kind of prove that this battle was an unimportant yet notable battle. It seems completely workable article. The literature might be limited in nature, but it is easily able to prove notability. There is enough WP:DEPTH to WP:FIXIT. Ceosad (talk) 19:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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