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International Institute of Management

Miro.gal, I thought I'd leave a comment regarding the article which I noticed was nominated for deletion. I have noticed you've made multiple pleas to people to "save" the article.

There is no individual who is going to make that decision. It is a community decision, you might call it groupthink. Therefore, the appeals to administrators are probably misdirected, and you'll see this pretty soon if you look at the results of other articles that have been AfD'd as well. Appealing to the administrators is like asking the local printing press to stop printing blank speeding ticket booklets because the cops have been giving unfair citations - the request isn't compatible with how things really work, even if on the surface, it seems like a simple solution to an apparent problem.

I am not saying it is necessarily right or fair. But I can provide the following bit of advice that may explain why the delete votes are getting piled on. Misplaced Pages is inundated constantly with people trying to promote their own stuff. I would say daily, but it is truly constant - there are 1,440 minutes in a day, and there's a spammer spamming Misplaced Pages within every one of those minutes. I am not saying you are a spammer, but a common characteristic of spammers and self-promoters is that they create articles related their organization as their first and only creations. That fact alone is going to be setting off spam radar, before anything else is considered. I'm not saying IIM is non-notable, but for people to accept it as a creation from a newly-created account, it's going to have to be about as notable as the Red Cross, or as well known as chocolate. Another thing is that with all due respect, is that from my subjective intution, the IIM article reads like something that doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages. That is something I can't concisely explain other than to say you will only come to sense when you've seen hundreds or thousands of articles.

Another thing is that real spammers are experts at creating numerous large web sites to make themselves look big, so when you provide lots of links, they don't get very much weight. The kind of link that does carry a huge amount of weight however, would be two or three links from a newspaper or a news TV station web site that essentially says the same thing you want to say. Most people on Misplaced Pages feel that if the news can report on it, so can Misplaced Pages (though two or more independent sources are vital - there is a huge difference between one source and more than one source).

I am one of the few I believe will admit that it almost seems like a "big boys club" - as though the people who have been around here longer can do as they please, and newcomers who create an article will fight an uphill battle to even keep it in existence. It seems totally not fair that they say for everyone to be WP:BOLD, but that somehow some people are entitled to be bolder than others. However, the only other thing I can say is that if you stick around here long enough, you'll get sucked into believing that it's the only way it can work - and only because you'll be rolling your eyes at what you see appear on here daily.

If you continue to edit articles for several months, and then were to recreate the exact same article, maybe it'd stick and maybe it wouldn't. But it probably would - not just because people wouldn't see you as a newbie, but also that you'll have a sense of what to put in a "keeper" article, and what to avoid to set off people's spam radar.

Good luck to you, and hope that you have a positive experience editing Misplaced Pages. Reswobslc 19:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input

Hi Reswolbslc, although you said that your initial feeling is to support the delete vote, from the way your wrote your response I can see that you are fair and open minded. I kindly request you to read my last comments in details at this article's entry and help in resolving the dispute. If you still advice against keeping it, then I will let it go. If you think it deserves a chance or requires more information then I will keep trying. Miro.gal

I am pretty much powerless there. The most I can do is put a "Keep" vote, which won't mean much in the face of countless mounting Deletes. I am only one person. Basically, the page you've created meets most people's criteria for deletion, whether or not it's fair. Since I was new recently enough myself (you can look at the very beginning of my edit history to see how I created articles only to have them kindly deleted, as well as argued for the keep of pages I couldn't understand why they were being deleted), I thought I'd write you so that you'll be less inclined to feel that Misplaced Pages is a bunch of raving snobby wolves that seek to delete anything they haven't heard of. I personally would welcome you to recreate the page after a month or two of editing other articles, and while I'm only one person who can't dictate its success or failure, I can express confidence that you'll be able to create a page that people won't object to. Reswobslc 21:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Every Keep Vote counts, please help, I have added comments that supports the keep vote and I got strong keep vote from Ephilei Miro.gal

IIM vote

No problem. Happy to help. --Ephilei 23:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion on the article takes place for 7 days total and then an admin will take action based on the consensus. In this case of about 3-6, I'm not sure if that's considered consensus. Remember, Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, so the votes don't really mean anything except reflect people's thoughts. All you can do now is find other users to support it (have you posted it on the Assoc Inclusionists?) and continually stress that nn is not an official reason for deletion. That scares people off pretty well. However, don't get into nitty debates about deleting - it makes you and the article look alone and desperate.

I too was once extremely discouraged by deletionists. I nearly left WP until I discovered the Association for Inclusionists. If you want to help inclusionism, there are several things to do:

• Help edit WP:NNOT - a proposal to eliminate deletions based on nn status
• Patrol Articles for Deletion and voice the inclusionist opinion where appropriate
• Revitalize the Association of Inclusionists. The group is pretty dorment now and needs constant upkeep in order to function at good capacity. A great addition would be posting links to AfD articles that inclusionists should vote on. (The AfD list is HUGE and the vast majority don't relate to inclusionism). I once tried this, but was too much work than I had time for.

--Ephilei 04:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)