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| ::The way I see it, I've done nothing wrong, but you clearly don't feel that way. So what do you see as a positive change that I could make here? ] (]) 20:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC) | ::The way I see it, I've done nothing wrong, but you clearly don't feel that way. So what do you see as a positive change that I could make here? ] (]) 20:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC) | ||
| ::: I think you should lose the focus on getting your way and just edit some articles. However, your statement above "I found I was not allowed to do so using correct English" indicates that you're not willing to drop the issue. In my experience, editors who see Misplaced Pages through this kind of filter always end up disappointed at best, blocked/banned at worst. --] ] 12:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC) | ::: I think you should lose the focus on getting your way and just edit some articles. However, your statement above "I found I was not allowed to do so using correct English" indicates that you're not willing to drop the issue. In my experience, editors who see Misplaced Pages through this kind of filter always end up disappointed at best, blocked/banned at worst. --] ] 12:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC) | ||
| ::::Here's what I mean by that. My aunt is a speech therapist. Spanish class drove her nuts because her teacher had a Castillian lisp. "But that's what I try to fix all day!" That's why I gave up gnoming. | ::::Here's what I mean by that. My aunt is a speech therapist. Spanish class drove her nuts because her teacher had a Castillian lisp. "But that's what I try to fix all day!" That's why I gave up gnoming. It feels too much like undoing my own work and that's just not how I want to spend my time. | ||
| ::::So what do you see as something I could do here? Ed Johnson said he wanted me to make some kind of voluntary pledge, but he didn't say what he meant by that. You're the only one who's answered any of my questions. ] (]) 12:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC) | ::::So what do you see as something I could do here? Ed Johnson said he wanted me to make some kind of voluntary pledge, but he didn't say what he meant by that. You're the only one who's answered any of my questions. ] (]) 12:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC) | ||
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I'd like some input
I've been asking around, but I'd like your take. In your view, what, other than a ban, would be a good outcome here? As for my interest, I'm a professional proofreader and editor. I've focused on pages that concern my area of expertise. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Darkfrog24: The desired outcome is that any page that provides advice to editors (MoS) or reference to readers (article space) is free of disruption. I think protracted disagreements that play out in a production environment, rather than on Talk pages exclusively, are disruptive to any person who comes by seeking advice or reference. Your average editor doesn't know or care about the intricacies of LQ and whether it is a purely stylistic or possibly nationalistic issue. Nor should they be made to care by being privy to the dispute, when all they were trying to do is figure out where to put a period. I believe you want to do what's best for the encyclopedia, but I think you've lost sight of that goal in that you're personalizing the issues, you're focused on winning the dispute, and you haven't demonstrated that you know when to walk away and find something else to do. This may be selfish but if you're a proofreader and editor I'd rather you focus on helping us at WP:PR or WP:FAC. Proofread and edit some pages that might actually show up on the front page some day, you know? I detest solutions that amount to force (blocks and bans) but I don't see any other way forward that doesn't involve you continuing the same behavior. --Laser brain (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- You will see that most of the complaints made against me concern talk pages. In those that involve info page or articles, I'm usually the one initiating talk page discussions. The ones that I had with Dicklyon concerning MOS:SUPPORTS were highly productive and led to each of us compromising with the other on substantive points.
- I happen to agree that the average editor doesn't care about this rule.
- I actually stopped general gnoming on Misplaced Pages once I found I was not allowed to do so using correct English, and I don't feel like using punctuation that is incorrect per its context serves the reader. I still do a bit here and there. A few years ago, I tried to find a filter that I could use to edit articles on British subjects, in which the current rule would be correct, but I didn't find one.
- The way I see it, I've done nothing wrong, but you clearly don't feel that way. So what do you see as a positive change that I could make here? Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think you should lose the focus on getting your way and just edit some articles. However, your statement above "I found I was not allowed to do so using correct English" indicates that you're not willing to drop the issue. In my experience, editors who see Misplaced Pages through this kind of filter always end up disappointed at best, blocked/banned at worst. --Laser brain (talk) 12:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- Here's what I mean by that. My aunt is a speech therapist. Spanish class drove her nuts because her teacher had a Castillian lisp. "But that's what I try to fix all day!" That's why I gave up gnoming. It feels too much like undoing my own work and that's just not how I want to spend my time.
- So what do you see as something I could do here? Ed Johnson said he wanted me to make some kind of voluntary pledge, but he didn't say what he meant by that. You're the only one who's answered any of my questions. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think you should lose the focus on getting your way and just edit some articles. However, your statement above "I found I was not allowed to do so using correct English" indicates that you're not willing to drop the issue. In my experience, editors who see Misplaced Pages through this kind of filter always end up disappointed at best, blocked/banned at worst. --Laser brain (talk) 12:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)