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Physical-Address merely means the expression of physical address, but if fact, PAE implies another important thing, the way to extend the existing physical addressing like it describe above quoted. So Physical Address Extension is much more proper than Physical-Address Extension, so we'd better not change it! ] (]) 03:53, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | Physical-Address merely means the expression of physical address, but if fact, PAE implies another important thing, the way to extend the existing physical addressing like it describe above quoted. So Physical Address Extension is much more proper than Physical-Address Extension, so we'd better not change it! ] (]) 03:53, 27 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
== Enhanced Version of PAE == | |||
For months, I've also noticed this discussion happened on both Intel and AMD forum. | |||
Frankly, I would deny this suppose. The paging in AMD64 architecture is not an enhanced version of PAE, but just based on it. We could not call it as an Enhanced Version of PAE, Physical Address Extension! AMD64 is a standalone 64-bit architecture, mainly invented by AMD, and later incorporated into x86 family. Intel also made their ISA-level compatible processors, but they call their products as Intel64, not AMD64. When processor working under its native mode, 64-bit mode of both AMD64 and Intel64 processors, the virtual address is directly mapping into their corresponding physical-address format. There is nothing used to extend both address and address method. So we could not make that conclusion. | |||
PAE only happens to IA-32 processor with PAE-enabled or AMD64/Intel64 processors when working under legacy mode (non-native mode)! | |||
I wish this explanation would answer this question to the public through wikipedia! ] (]) 04:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC) |
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"Physical Address Extension " vs "Physical-Address Extension"
I wanted to change Physical Address Extension into Physical-Address Extension because it is the correct English spelling ("an extension regarding the physical addresses", not a physical peculiarity of a more generic "Address Extension") and also used by the official documentation by AMD: http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/24593.pdf
Unfortunately Intel does it wrong and writes this term without dash. :-(
Perhaps we should at least mention this fact in the beginning of the article? --RokerHRO (talk) 13:04, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Please don't. Intel invented it, they get to name it. Windows follows the Intel usage, as does the Shanley book. AMD appears to be a distinct minority in their usage. There is no possible confusion anyway, so no need for a hyphen. Jeh (talk) 17:17, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- I see you similarly moved Page Size Extension. I'll be undoing that. Jeh (talk) 18:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Damn it. Since the redirects have edit histories, now we have to go through "requested moves" to fix it. Perhaps you should have at least asked before taking it upon yourself to move PSE? Jeh (talk) 19:19, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry for that. I didn't want to make confusion. :-/
- But according to Hyphen#Compound_modifiers the spelling with hyphen would be the correct one if Intel wouldn't define it as a fixed term without hyphen, right?
- --RokerHRO (talk) 10:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- So which of them is the "common term", as per WP:COMMONTERM? Guy Harris (talk) 11:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- I checked almost all of the references here (got tired of it after about #23). Out of that batch, AMD appears to be alone in using the hyphen. Jeh (talk) 04:47, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. I don't care one way or the other. "Physical-address extension" is better English, but I don't see "physical address extension" giving rise to confusion with "physical address-extension". It's a technical term. Complicating the issue is the title is capped ("Physical Address Extension"), and that means the article is about a proper noun. It is not just a generic "physical-address extension" but rather the particular PAE described by Intel. Glrx (talk) 04:14, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
For days I found something removed from here quite meaningful, in avoidance to make waves, I quoted it partially below
“ | Physical Address Extension reflects two things, Physical-Address Extension and the way to implement the extension of physical addressing when the architecture stays unchanged. | ” |
Physical-Address merely means the expression of physical address, but if fact, PAE implies another important thing, the way to extend the existing physical addressing like it describe above quoted. So Physical Address Extension is much more proper than Physical-Address Extension, so we'd better not change it! PAEExplainer (talk) 03:53, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Enhanced Version of PAE
For months, I've also noticed this discussion happened on both Intel and AMD forum.
Frankly, I would deny this suppose. The paging in AMD64 architecture is not an enhanced version of PAE, but just based on it. We could not call it as an Enhanced Version of PAE, Physical Address Extension! AMD64 is a standalone 64-bit architecture, mainly invented by AMD, and later incorporated into x86 family. Intel also made their ISA-level compatible processors, but they call their products as Intel64, not AMD64. When processor working under its native mode, 64-bit mode of both AMD64 and Intel64 processors, the virtual address is directly mapping into their corresponding physical-address format. There is nothing used to extend both address and address method. So we could not make that conclusion.
PAE only happens to IA-32 processor with PAE-enabled or AMD64/Intel64 processors when working under legacy mode (non-native mode)!
I wish this explanation would answer this question to the public through wikipedia! PAEExplainer (talk) 04:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
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