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Concerned editors are here asked to please clearly explain, with reference to policy and guideline, how it is remotely possible that, contrary to vast noteworthy reliable sources, Chrysler has had ''no noteworthy recalls''. Thank you. ] (]) 21:31, 18 March 2016 (UTC) Concerned editors are here asked to please clearly explain, with reference to policy and guideline, how it is remotely possible that, contrary to vast noteworthy reliable sources, Chrysler has had ''no noteworthy recalls''. Thank you. ] (]) 21:31, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

:Thank you for asking about this issue in the talk pages for this article. You seem intent to stretch the "notability" guideline to keep adding recalls that are not significant to the almost 100 year history of this automaker. WP articles are not for news reposting for every event or recall. Similarly, you will notice that only the most significant product recalls are included in articles about other companies. Most auto manufacturers have no mention of recalls, even though their cars have multiple actions involving numerous issues each year. For example, the General Motors WP article includes only the ignition switch, although that company has had many product recalls affecting millions of vehicles. The Toyota article only includes those that involved Congressional Hearings, impacted sales and reputation, as well as cost the company billions of dollars. In other words, just because a recall is covered by multiple media sources they do not mean they should be included in the articles about the automaker. An encyclopedia is not a collection of all information.
:Moreover, please do not keep adding material under discussion into the article until the issue of your contributions is fully resolved here. Until this is decided to include, on the basis of ] guidelines, your contribution will be removed. ] (]) 22:05, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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"Global Big Three"

I have read that in the years following World War II; General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler were not only the three largest automakers in the U.S.A. but in fact on the entire planet. I am wondering if there is any information as to when Chrysler fell out of third place internationally? I would suspect sometime in the 1960's, during which Volkswagen was mass producing they're Beetle cars. Does anyone know the exact year?JeepAssembler (talk) 22:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)JeepAssemblerJeepAssembler (talk) 22:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Fiat box

The Fiat box is a little....stupid to have on here. All it says is all the Fiat brands, of wich Chrysler is NOT. Chrysler and Fiat will remain seperate companies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.37.27 (talk) 00:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Assessment

I assessed the article as start class because it has way too much coverage of electric and PHEV vehicles given the relative importance of those to the company and the focus the company has put into them and the relative lack of coverage of the rest of the things an auto company article should cover. I didn't want to change someone else's assessments without discussion though. Of course GM and Ford's articles also way overstate their green efforts as well. - Taxman 13:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

FiatChrysler

I don't think it makes sense that putting "also known as FiatChrysler" right after "Chrysler Group LLC" in bold letters makes sense because, a) Fiat and Chrysler both have their own corporate websites and logos, b) Chrysler is still technically a separate company, c) Fiat is a partial owner, not full owner, of Chrysler, d) The alliance with Fiat is not analogous to the merger with Daimler (see further information below)

The alliance with Fiat is not analogous to the merger with Daimler because Fiat only partially owns Chrysler and Fiat does not pay Chrysler's employees. The Fiat-Chrysler alliance would have to be more analogous to the Renault-Nissan alliance. So Fiat only takes ownership of Chrysler and share technologies with Chrysler. Heegoop, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

EV program

The section on EVs needs to be completely rewritten based on recent changes: http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BusinessofGreen/idUSTRE5A605N20091107 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skmacksler (talk • contribs) 15:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Chrysler's November sales

Last month, Chrysler had sold only 63,560 vehicles: a decline of 25%.

Source: http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20091201/BIZ/91201020/US+Nov.+auto+sales+hold+steady

Jeff39212 (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Daimler Chrysler

Did anyone notice that DaimlerChrysler is a redirect pointing to Daimler AG, and doesn't properly deal with Daimler-Chrysler ? 76.66.192.35 (talk) 05:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed links to redirect to Chrysler merger section on Daimler AG VX1NG (talk) 13:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

December 2009 sales

In December, Chrysler Group LLC had managed to sell only 86,523 units throughout the US.

Source: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2010/01/05/460570.html


Jeff39212 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.148.27 (talk) 20:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Bailout

Chrysler has been bailed out financially by the US government twice when facing bankruptcy, about 30 years apart. Where has that info gone? Chrysler bailout redirects to this page. I think the loan topic deserves its own page (possibly two, one for 1979 and one for 2009) as well as its own section on this page. For now I'm going to change the redirect to point to History_of_Chrysler#1980s_and_the_Government_loan_guarantees. Thundermaker (talk) 14:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


This statement is wrong: 'On June 10, 2010, Chrysler Group LLC emerged from a Chapter 11 reorganization'. It should say 2009. I don't know how to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.41.109.128 (talk) 03:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

UConnect

I did a bit of work on the UConnect thing, but I don't know much about it. Does anyone have more information about it than I do? Dakane2 (talk) 04:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

More info

I just added some more info about Uconnect a few days ago (what models it's available on). Reelcheeper (talk) 16:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

History -- 3 years out of 87

The history section in this article currently covers 1923-1926, the founding period of the company. It should include less about the founding years and more from the period 1927-2010, IMHO.

  • stock performance summary -- If a hypothetical investor had bought at the IPO and sold at the Chapter 11 announcement, what would his return have been?
  • two government bailouts
  • bankruptcy
  • unionization -- How and when did Chrysler become unionized?
  • Iacocca's destruction of Mopar tools

This could all be summarized in the space currently devoted to Maxwell. Thundermaker (talk) 13:58, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Aerospace industry

This article completely ignores a significant part of Chrysler's history. In the 1960's, they were involved in the aerospace industry, being the contractor for the S-IB rocket stage (first stage of Apollo Saturn I and Saturn IB launch vehicles.

In fact, the aerospace propulsion industry gets most of its "Aerospace Standards" and Recommended Practices from the Society of Automotive Engineers, rather than the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. JustinTime55 (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Hell of a jump there, isn't it?

The History section of the article has quite a massive jump from the company being renamed "Chrysler" in the 1920s to the DaimlerChrysler merger in the 1990s. What, did nothing happen between those two events? No acquisition of Dodge Brothers, the Rootes Group, or American Motors? No decline in the '60s and '70s? No drastic downsizing and reorganizing of the company in the late '70s and early '80s? No loan guarantees from the U.S. government?

I know there is a History of Chrysler article, but the History section of this article should at least be a reasonable summary of that article.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 04:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Missing information

I have filled in the time gaps (mainly using History of Chrysler) and missing work for the Government (radar antennas, missile, and space boosters).

Raymond C. Watson, Jr. (talk) 19:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Chrysler vehicle lifetime warranty , listed under Marketing

I just purchased a 2011 Dodge Challenger SRT8 with lifetime warranty. It includes all the powertrain and most everything except normal wear and tear stuff such as tires, brakes, clutch, wipers and such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.182.6 (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

SRT Brand addition?

Just tossing out the question if anyone would want to update the brands section with the new SRT brand, brought back summer 2011. I work in Chrysler Group PR (see my user page), but won't touch this article. If anyone wants to do it and has ?? for info, email me. Miked918 (talk) 05:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks like this has been taken care of. --Miked918 (talk) 16:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

no history on Fiat relationship

Under "History", the flow is from early corp. history (1920's to WWII) to "Brands" (all time) to "Special programs for the Government" (WWII) to "Daimler Chrysler" which allegedly covers history (that's still the main section heading) from 1998 to 2011, but it doesn't mention Fiat in the reorg in 2009. And there's no mention of Fiat anywhere else, except the lead to the article. No info on this relationship except in the lead. Adcva (talk) 12:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE

This page doesn’t reflect the Fiat alliance or the profits it has made as a result. This should be addressed. RGloucester (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Electric vehicles

1) I think Chrysler's ENVI division is now closed; 2) In the article: Chrysler is also currently planning at least three hybrid vehicles: the Chrysler Aspen hybrid, Dodge Durango hybrid, and the Dodge Ram hybrid including HEMI engines. The Chrysler Aspen was discontinued. Same for the Durango hybrid.---Now wiki (talk) 02:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

History

Why in this section there is no mention of the what happened to Chrysler under DaimlerChrysler, private equity firm Cerberus, bankruptcy in 2009 and rescue by the U.S. Government???---North wiki (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Imported from Detroit

Correct me if I am mistaken, but shouldn't the "Imported from Detroit" campaign be placed in the Chrysler (division) article not the Chrysler Group LLC article. VX1NG (talk) 13:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Uconnect duplication

There are now two sections (4.3 and 4.5) covering essentially the same subject. Will an editor with the resources please merge these. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:58, 24 March 2013 (UTC)


Excessive soap and directory content

Unencyclopedic content in this article includes lists of non-notable directors and management staff; also glowing descriptions of past advertising campaigns. The lede is also stuffed with boring corporate minutiae. Can I suggest that a well-informed non-COI enthusiast editor give this article a good working over? Alternatively, a completely uninvolved editor such as myself might come back and give it a real pruning. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 04:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I can hit the lead section. I've already given it one shot; I need more time to give it a better overhaul, but I think what I've done is better and provides a history of the company in a nutshell. I think I need to put a little more into the role Chrysler held in the U.S. auto industry bailout and perhaps remove some of the detail of the events of 2009–2011. Thoughts? —KuyaBriBri 22:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Michael Manly is incorrectly linked to a deceased head of state.

When will Chrysler LLC become FCA?

I was under the impression that Chrysler LLC and Fiat S.p.A would become FCA, and all the brands would be under FCA. Wouldn't that mean Chrysler LLC would be defunct and FCA was its successor?

Requested move 16 December 2014

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The result of the move request was: page not moved for now, just until the new title enters common usage, or a disambiguation plan arises. Arbitrarily0  19:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Chrysler → FCA US LLC – Name change announced 16 December. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Split The history of the company, though its various incarnations, (ie. Daimler-Chrysler, etc) should be documented in one article "Chrysler", while the current corporate entity (Fiat-Chrysler) should be a separate article. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
It seems we already have Chrysler (division). OSX (talk • contributions) 10:44, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment After a week, the closest we have come to consensus appears to be that while the company has changed names, a move would be inappropriate right now because the new name is not commonly used. Anyone who agrees want to close this?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:52, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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FCA is seventh largest automaker worldwide

Global ranking (7th) represents combined vehicle sales for all FCA Group brands. FCA US LLC (or, different perimeter, FCA Group sales in NAFTA) account for approximately half of that figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.88.22.8 (talk) 10:49, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Grammar

"It sells vehicles worldwide under its flagship Chrysler brand, as well as the Dodge, Jeep and Ram."

Really?

Imperial's reversion to model status under the Chrysler brand

The article originally stated that Imperial was folded back under the Chrysler brand in 1973 (making it the Chrysler Imperial, again, as it had been prior to the 1955 model year). According to the book, "American Cars, 1960 to 1972", written by J. "Kelly" Flory, Jr., this change took place with the 1971 model year, making the 1970 Imperial the last as a stand-alone brand in that era. Mhrogers (talk) 19:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Removal of controversy section

I recently removed the controversy section from the article. I'm not sure these pages should have a section called "controversy". WP seems to generally stay away from such headings as well as headings like "criticism". That said, the reason why I removed it was because the one item in that section seemed of very marginal significance given the history of Chrysler (founded ~90 years ago and grew to become one of the largest companies in the world). I've posted on several car company talk pages asking what criteria should be used before a controversy is considered significant enough to exist on an article page. For example the Ford Pinto controversies or the GM Corvair controversies seem significant enough for inclusion (the Pinto case currently isn't on the Ford page) because they were either large in scope, deaths were attributed to them, or the significantly changed the legal or public perception landscape regarding automobiles. I've started a Automotive project page conversation about it here Springee (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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I would suggest adding that Fiat bought a major stake in Chrysler July 2011 and that it is own by an Italian base company. This page indicates that it is an American car company. They manufacture cars in America but it is in fact an Italian car company. Colobull (talk) 21:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
The lede of the article already says it is owned by Fiat. RudolfRed (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 26 February 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 13:35, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


Chrysler → FCA US LLC – Chrysler group changed its name. FoxNewsChannelFan (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Strong oppose this new title means nothing to people - acronyms are not a good thing for titles . We did not move this every other time because Chrysler is still the most common name. Cant fix copy and paste move...will need help here. -- Moxy (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
I have left "FoxNewsChannelFan" a note about moves on his talk page...best that problem is talked about in personal space. We can help him there. -- Moxy (talk) 17:55, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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Non-notable recall

An editor recently added a brake booster recall section to the page . This was a reversion of a removal of the material by me . Per WP:Project Automobile discussion here , this is not an encyclopedic recall. The limitation of recalls to only the most notable was supported by the following editors (notified due to involvement in the discussion): CtrlXctrlV, Dennis Brown, Dennis Bratland, OSX, TREKphiler, Greglocock. Springee (talk) 15:37, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I think you might be mistaken. These are mainstream media, and they are not routine coverage. They have named reporters quoting multiple sources, referencing past events in the timeline of the story. No severe crashes or deaths are mentioned, but over 800,000 vehicles were recalled and it was a safety issue. Maybe a close one, but I would probably allow it. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
My understanding of the coverage in the WP article should be limited to only the largest or most significant recalls. So for Ford it would be things like the Pinto fuel system, the Firestone tire recall, probably the cruise control recall. Toyota would be the unintended acceleration related recalls. GM in recent times would be the ignition switch. Perhaps others. When looking at this Chrysler recall I can't see it coming close to any of those Ford, GM or Toyota examples. This is the sort of recall that has never made it to any of the infamous recall lists (not that those are the best indicator). Springee (talk) 16:20, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Agree, you are mistaken. Here is the proposal from the project talk page archive:

Proposal:recalls are mentioned in articles when they have received widespread attention in the MSM. This does not include single MSM articles mentioning them as they are announced.

This is an entirely non-controversial, straight-forward application of our due weight policy to automobile recalls. As an experienced editor, you well understand coverage in Misplaced Pages is proportional to coverage in reliable sources, and in any case a Wiki Project may not adopt a local over-ride of our project's core policy. Please note it does not say "only the most notable" may be included or "no recalls may be included." "Only the largest" or "only the most significant" or "only the most notable" would limit Misplaced Pages coverage to one recall regardless of coverage in reliable sources which is clearly incorrect. Regarding your recent section blanking of the "Product recalls" section of this article, is it your position that our article should reflect that Chrysler has had no noteworthy recalls? Did you try even the most cursory search before your section blanking? Thank you. Hugh (talk) 16:27, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
HughD, I'm sorry you have brought your edit warring to this article. So you are claiming that this recall, a recall that has been tied to no injuries, would be as notable as recalls like the Pinto fuel tank recall or the Toyota unintended acceleration recall. Plenty of recalls have been covered at the time in mainstream news sources when they occurred. However, most of those (including this Chrysler recall) are forgotten after the fact. To quote the Project Automobile discussion, I respectfully recommend the application of common sense. Don't ban mention of recalls, but only mention the ones that are critical. Big ones, ones that hit the headlines, ones that involve high profile litigations.... That's probably only 1% or 2% of all the recalls that happen. But please let's avoid attempting to dream up "one size fits all rules" where they're not needed and where they can too easily become an excuse for unproductive p**sing contests. HughD sadly came here to make this a p**sing contest. Springee (talk) 16:49, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Please focus on content WP:FOC. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
HughD, at least the second recall you added may be significant enough for inclusion. Again, we should use judgement when deciding which recalls will really be notable in 20 years. The first one you restored as part of a wikihounding effort is very unlikely to make it to any long term list. We should be careful about including recent recalls just because they were recent. Springee (talk) 18:41, 18 March 2016(UTC) Edit HughD, please read your sources more carefully before editing the article. Your edit was very sloppy. First, your edit reads like the recall was 1.7 million vehicles related to airbags. The articles you added actually referred to several recalls at once. The airbag recall was ~1.1 million vehicles. WP is WP:NOTNEWS and we should not just repost headlines. Second, the three sources say no fatalities, not two fatalities. Why did you put two fatalities in the article? Again, since there were no deaths this seems like a case of you dumping dirt into the article. Please save that for your Koch family and Tea Party articles, not here. Springee (talk) 18:55, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The guidelines for inclusion of vehicle recalls should be significant enough to shape the product, change the business strategy of the automaker, etc. There are numerous recalls conducted on a regular basis. They are typically not encyclopedic in nature. Having it reported in the general media does not signify a recall's notability for an encyclopedia article. For example, last month's recall by Toyota (one of countless problems encountered by this automaker) involves almost 2.87 million cars (see here) and it has been reported by major media worldwide. However, even this recall does not rise to the level as Toyota's huge historic product defects, and thus this latest recall is not included as part of WP's article on Toyota. Similarly, Chrysler's brake booster recall is not noteworthy for an article about the history of this company. Just because a recall is noted by The New York Times, does not make it newsworthy for inclusion an encyclopedia article. Please notice that there is a major distinction between serving as a news report and that of an encyclopedia. CZmarlin (talk) 20:18, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

CZmarlin, thanks for removing the second recall article (the one that incorrectly stated 2 fatalities). If you would like to remove the brake booster per talk page consensus I would appreciate it (I've removed it twice today which is once too many). Springee (talk) 20:32, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

"Recalls" section blanking

Concerned editors are here asked to please clearly explain, with reference to policy and guideline, how it is remotely possible that, contrary to vast noteworthy reliable sources, Chrysler has had no noteworthy recalls. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 21:31, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for asking about this issue in the talk pages for this article. You seem intent to stretch the "notability" guideline to keep adding recalls that are not significant to the almost 100 year history of this automaker. WP articles are not for news reposting for every event or recall. Similarly, you will notice that only the most significant product recalls are included in articles about other companies. Most auto manufacturers have no mention of recalls, even though their cars have multiple actions involving numerous issues each year. For example, the General Motors WP article includes only the ignition switch, although that company has had many product recalls affecting millions of vehicles. The Toyota article only includes those that involved Congressional Hearings, impacted sales and reputation, as well as cost the company billions of dollars. In other words, just because a recall is covered by multiple media sources they do not mean they should be included in the articles about the automaker. An encyclopedia is not a collection of all information.
Moreover, please do not keep adding material under discussion into the article until the issue of your contributions is fully resolved here. Until this is decided to include, on the basis of WP:NOTNEWSPAPER guidelines, your contribution will be removed. CZmarlin (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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