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*I've watched the topic from afar, from the first Arb case to now, only participating in one AE and never in any GG article. I've said before and will repeat that Mark needs to be topic banned. I also believe that Gamaliel is too close to both Mark and the GG topic area that he should be considered ] when it comes to both, and recuse himself from acting as administrator in both areas. ] - ] 00:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC) | *I've watched the topic from afar, from the first Arb case to now, only participating in one AE and never in any GG article. I've said before and will repeat that Mark needs to be topic banned. I also believe that Gamaliel is too close to both Mark and the GG topic area that he should be considered ] when it comes to both, and recuse himself from acting as administrator in both areas. ] - ] 00:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
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==Monochrome Monitor== | |||
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* 18:01, 15 November 2015 NeilN (talk | contribs) blocked Monochrome Monitor (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of 1 week (account creation blocked) (Edit warring Violation of the ARBPIA WP:1RR) | |||
* 08:31, 24 June 2015 Bishonen (talk | contribs) blocked Monochrome Monitor (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of 2 weeks (account creation blocked) (abusing multiple acounts, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Monochrome Monitor) | |||
* 02:33, 14 May 2015 EdJohnston (talk | contribs) blocked Monochrome Monitor (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of 24 hours (account creation blocked) (Edit warring: Violation of the ARBPIA WP:1RR at Israel, per a report at WP:AN3) | |||
* 06:42, 10 July 2014 Callanecc (talk | contribs) blocked Monochrome Monitor (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of 36 hours (account creation blocked) (Arbitration enforcement: Violating the 1 revert rule at Rachel Corrie) | |||
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TripWire
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Request concerning TripWire
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- D4iNa4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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- WP:NPA, WP:SOAP violation.
- Use of very hostile language, WP:BATTLE.
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- Topic banned from all "edits related to Pakistani politics and Indian/Pakistani conflicts, for a period of 6 months".
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- Just came off a topic ban this year.
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Once he would realize that his topic ban is no more in force, he would go back to making those same kinds of edits that led to the topic ban, he would make three objectionable edits to Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965 at first, then he disrupted the article Bangladesh Liberation War by edit warring and making hostile comments on talk page, after that he would falsely accuse @Volunteer Marek: of harassment. And now he seems to be missing no chance to attack editors like @Ghatus and Kautilya3: and others. D4iNa4 (talk) 14:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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Statement by (TripWire)
tl;dr - you can unhat this when its 750 words or less |
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Please note that most of edits referred by DiNA4 were made by as others (atleast 3) and myself were in conflict with MBlaze Lightning - a blocked sock. His master KnightWarrior25 - blocked POV/edit-warring, NOT for socking. So, these edits were challenges to a blocked POV-pusher/habitual edit-warrer and were mainly done to fight a sock while following WP:BRD, WP:CONSENSUS. If left uncheck, MBL threatened Misplaced Pages as project. All this was done while talking it out with the involved editors. At no place did I edit-war as being claimed or else I must have been reported to ANI. MBL's being a sock & his master being blocked for POV-pushing/edit-warring is altogether a confirmation that I was correct in my approach. The policy for filing a report here says that "diffs older than one week may be declined as stale" but D4iNA4 has quoted weeks old diffs. Reply: Accusation-1: Reply-1:
Accusation-2: Reply-2:
Hence my revert was correct/justified, and complainant is manipulating facts.
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To Admins: I'll ask for boomerang as this report is vindictive and Di4NA4 implied that just because I was topic banned before, he can hound me on that basis even after the ban ended. Reply to Capitals00First, hey there, havent seen you much, thankyou for waking up. How did you know about this report by the way? Coming over to your accusations:
Reply to Kutilya3Out of the 1,381 edits I have made, 286 are on unique pages, but that makes me an SPA?
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Statement by Kautilya3
Some general remarks concerning TripWire. As far as I can see, they are an SPA, whose contributions are limited to Indo-Pakistan conflicts. Secondly, the majority of their contribution are to edit-war over the content that the others have contributed, very little of their own content. How much of that the project can tolerate is a big question. TripWire has barely come off a 6-moth topic ban. Whether their behaviour has improved as a result is another question. I think it has. There is less edit-warring and more participation on the talk pages, even though I would say it is still far from ideal. The over-aggressive behaviour in discussions continues.
One factor that is currently playing out at the moment is that MBlaze Lightning has been indeffed, rightly, and the pro-Pakistan editors favour reverting all of his edits wholesale. I have objected to that approach and said that we need to discuss specific objections in an issue-based way. That has not gone down well with the pro-Pakistan editors, and they have taken to calling me a supporter, even a "meatpuppet," of MBlaze. However, ironically, TripWire has been forced to point out on this page how often I have opposed MBlaze and supported their stance instead. That is poetic justice, it seems.
Given that TripWire's behaviour shows improvement, I don't believe any serious sanction is warranted at this stage. However some cautionary remarks to TripWire to tone down their rhetoric and be more collaborative in their approach would be welcome. A recognition that editors like me are willing to listen to all sides would also be useful.
Statement by Freeatlast
We can see from the get go that the entire "evidence" here is fabricated.
- The first claim of gaming cleverly and conveniently fails to say that in actuality Tripwire was undoing vandalism by a sockpuppet and trying his best to refrain from even touching the article. You will see that many of his reverts are to versions that are from uninvolved editors.
- As far as the so called "personal attacks" go we have someone who is asking for a t-ban based on an editor saying "please act maturely". I do not know whether to laugh or cry at the copious amounts of bad faith oozing from this. This is a highly volatile area and truth be told if every editor who asked another to "act maturely" was banned from topics we will have to T-ban almost 75% of editors. So this is just a "filler" used by the nom to "beef up" his accusations, and make them look big. more space=more suspicion. The reaction usually is "There are so many diffs, he MUST have done something".
- As far as the accusation of WP:BATTLE is concerned firstly you can see that once again it is a filler. Why not include it with NPA? no Sir! We are going to make a new accusation. Secondly it is clearly the exact opposite of what the nom claims, Tripwire is actually saying "no harm, no foul" at the end leading to quite a good faith ending to a heated discussion. Including such a diff here is mind bogglingly bad faith.
My advice is that the nom should spend time actually improving the encyclopedia instead of filling this kind of bad faith requests. I was going to suggest boomerang but then I though why ask for a block? he only comes online once or twice a week to revert etc. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Statement by Capitals00
While I have nothing to say about the long and non-convincing explanations of TripWire other than that he is trying to reject any fault with his editing, he is also denying that he recently came off from a topic ban.
TripWire's discussions on talk page has been WP:BATTLEGROUND, he even prefers opening the sections with disparaging titles.
His edit warring is too widespread that he removes what he doesn't like, not to forget that he made four reverts only for removing an infobox image that he didn't liked,, despite he had no consensus to do that and infobox image still exists on the main article.
WP:ASPERSION is being violated on this page alone.
- TripWire: "including Ghatus and Kautilya3 - both Indians"
And also false accusations of meat puppetry and sock puppetry.
I don't see how one can deal with such user after they create such a toxic environment. Blocks and topic bans are the only way. Capitals00 (talk) 09:16, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Statement by SheriffIsInTown
By looking at WP:ARBIPA, there were five decisions made in it. The number 2 decision was specifically about sock-puppetry which reads as below:
"2) Abuse of sockpuppet accounts, such as using them to evade blocks, bans, and user accountability–and especially to make personal attacks or reverts, or vandalize–is strictly forbidden."
By reverting the edits of the sock, TripWire was actually upholding WP:ARBIPA's decision number 2 and i don't think he should be held accountable for that and when we look at this the other way around, people who are reinstating the sock's edits are actually violating WP:ARBIPA and instead they should be t-banned for doing that. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:25, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Result concerning TripWire
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TripWire your statement is 1900 words. Reduce it to 500 or I shall cut it off at that point. Hint - spend less time casting aspertions at your opponants and just stick to explaining why you think your edits were not a vio. Spartaz 06:06, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- Please move all your responses to your own section, I might be willing to extend your wordcount to 750 but no way can we give you license to write as much as you like. The word count is to concentrate your responses to the key matters. Sorry but you need to amalgamate your responses and edit it down to 750. Spartaz 15:00, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- FreeatlastChitchat I have hatted your section as there is ample evidence that the OP has used socks - but they have done their time and you know where SPI is if there is new cause for concern. At first blush your section appears aimed at discrediting the OP rather than discussing the complaint. I'm sure you don't really mean to expose yourself by doing that do you so I must be mistaken but please don't do it again.
SheriffIsInTown I have removed your section entirely. Making a nationality based slur on an AE page? Really? Perhaps you could leave a short note on my talk page explaining how your participation in this area adds any value whatsoever as I'm strongly minded to impose a TBan for that edit. Please don't post to this discussion again. Spartaz 06:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)- TripWire, I moved your writing into your own section as required by the instructions here. Please pare everything down ASAP. I think you'll find that if you focus on explaining why your edits were not violations and remove any text referring to the actions of others, you will rapidly be in compliance. --Laser brain (talk) 23:29, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
HughD
Closing as no violation --Laser brain (talk) 12:15, 12 April 2016 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning HughD
Editor banned from edits related to conservative politics post 2009 and the political activities of the Koch family in particular (" I am imposing a one-year topic ban on you from all articles related to the Tea Party movement broadly, including but not limited to anything at all related to Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries, the Koch brothers."). The Fraser Institute is described as a conservative think tank in the article lead. The editor has previously added Koch related content to the article (example ) which makes the general article a violation of "broadly". The violating edit was related to a 2014 article about the institute which would violate the 2009 and later conservative topic's portion of the ban.
Previous issues with topic ban violations.
Notification: ] Discussion concerning HughDStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by HughDNo topic ban violation. Complainant cites a superseded topic ban; the sanction currently in effect on the reported editor as of 11 December 2015 is a topic ban from conservative US politics post 2009 under WP:ARBAP2; please see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/Log#2015. The Fraser Institute is Canadian, conspicuously omitted from the complainant's filing. In any case, the edit reported above as an arbitration enforcement issue by the complainant was a good faith effort to restore content deleted, by an IP, with no edit summary, while improving sourcing, clearly an improvement to our encyclopedia, and not directly or indirectly related to conservative American politics, or to the Kochs or the Tea party movement for that matter. Given the complainant's obsession with the reported editor, it is highly unlikely the complainant was unaware of the scope of the applicable sanction, or the nationality of the Fraser Institute; this filing therefore appears to be deliberate misrepresentations in an AE filing. Important context for understanding this filing is that complainant is the current subject of a proposed 2-way interaction ban at WP:ANI proposed by uninvolved editors to address copiously documented obsessive following and other harassment behavior issues. Colleagues are respectfully requested to please support the 2-way interaction ban proposed at WP:ANI#Springee campaigning; respectfully request snow close of this filing. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 21:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by (username)Statement by FyddlestixPlease note this ongoing ANI thread, in which an Iban between Springee and HughD has received some support and both editors have alleged harassment by the other. It seems to me exceedingly poor judgment in Springee's part to file a new AE report against HughD right now. Fyddlestix (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Statement by SpringeeThe admin, Ricky81682, made it clear that this is a broadly construed topic ban that applies to all Koch related articles. " I am imposing a one-year topic ban on you from all articles related to the Tea Party movement broadly, including but not limited to anything at all related to Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries, the Koch brothers." HughD previously tried to push the limits of the topic ban by adding links to Koch related material (but not a specific Koch statement in his edit). When HughD was blocked a second time for violating his ban he was told, "Second, your comments at my talk page that it's not a part of the topic ban because it "makes no mention of the Kochs" is ridiculously disingenuous if you are going to be adding content related to Donors Trust which is directly related to Tea party politics and to the Kochs in general." This article is clearly one that HughD feels is Koch related given that he added Koch related content last year. "Broadly" is certainly means cases where the Koch's are considered funders of the group. Certainly Ricky81682 should be given a chance to weigh in before this is closed. Springee (talk) 00:27, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Request close per Ricky81682's comments: Because the article is Koch related (based on HughD's own edits) I had assumed it would fall under the topic ban. It appears that outside of the US Koch related activities are allowed for HughD. HughD, please accept my apologies for this error. Laser brain, please close as a mistaken ARE request on my part. Springee (talk) 00:49, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by Ricky81682I'm no fan of HughD but HughD is correct on all accounts. As noted, the relevant topic ban is for all conservative US politics post-2009 which is a permitted subdivision of the larger US politics arbcom case. There is no case about Canadian politics and thus no basis for Fraser Institute to be in any such topic ban as it would not be included in the original Arbcom case and so on. While the US-based Koch foundation donated to the institute, it remains related to Canadian politics to me and I don't see a basis to claim a topic ban violation. A separate issue of disruptive editing about that page can be argued but it seems like the concurrent ANI report is the appropriate place for that argument. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:41, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Result concerning HughD
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MarkBernstein
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning MarkBernstein
MarkBernstein is by now an inveterate Wiki-warrior in the Gamergate topic area. He has demonstrated time and again his apparent inability to refrain from lengthy WP:FORUM and WP:SOAPBOX diatribes about Gamergate, full of both sesquipedalian wordplay and naked aspersions against other editors, despite being asked numerous times, at numerous venues, to stop. For this he has been topic-banned, un-topic-banned, blocked, unblocked, blocked again, unblocked under conditions, given four final warnings for violating those conditions, and ultimately had the admins enforcing those conditions apparently throw up their hands in exasperation. His involvement anywhere in the Gamergate topic area invariably brings with it more heat than light. He has recently also begun interrogating journalists on twitter about their (unflattering) coverage of persons associated with the topic (Note: MarkBernstein's twitter handle is prominently listed on his personal webpage, which he links on his Misplaced Pages userpage). This has to stop. The following diffs are just the most recent of his grandstanding and generally disruptive behavior.
MarkBernstein seems to believe that the righteousness of his cause overrides any concerns about civility, collaboration with others, and building the encyclopedia generally. He's been given plenty of chances to bring his behavior in line with expectations, and has declined to do so. Enough really is enough.
By my count, MarkBernstein's combined statements below come to more than 1500 words, well over the 500 he is allotted. I am not suggesting that any of his comments be removed but I do think he should be encouraged to use less Milton and more simple declarative language. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Discussion concerning MarkBernsteinStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by MarkBernsteinGood grief! Gamergate has repeatedly sought to use Misplaced Pages to harass its targets and to exculpate its actions. You may recall that the first murder threat sent to the first Gamergate target was delivered through Misplaced Pages. The Gamergate Controversy page, and the pages of Gamergate’s victims, continue to be used to threaten women in the software industry and to rehash their sex lives in order to demonstrate the fate that will befall women who accept employment in this field -- or indeed anyone with whom Gamergate becomes displeased. Gamergate’s long-planned operation against "the five horsemen of wiki-bias", again thoroughly documented in newspapers, magazines, and academic journals, was rewarded last year by ArbCom’s infamous decision. In recent months, the fora used to coordinate that campaign (and some new ones) have planned a fresh assault on their new Wiki targets. An ArbCom case was brought against Gamaliel yesterday over a supposed BLP violation in the Signpost involving Donald Trump’s small hands, and (surprise!) here we are today. Civility to other editors does not preclude condemnation of campaigns of misogynist harassment coordinated with ruthless energy on shadowy web sites and chat boards. I have worked to write firmly and honestly but -- especially since my block -- with scrupulous civility. I have done my best to find humor where I can, and have worked on-wiki and off to find a path to ending this protracted and unproductive dispute. Those overtures have been rebuffed by many, including some of those whose names appear here. I have many calls on my time, and may occasionally and unintentionally have written ambiguously or unclearly. I apologize. I am hardly alone. I sometimes write allusively; I am accustomed to writing for an educated audience. I am sometimes sloppy; I am, after all, a volunteer. I do not apologize for writing forcefully in defense of The Wiki Way and, in point of fact, in defense of common decency. I note in passing that scarcely a day passes in which Gamergate boards and media accounts fail to question my sanity, cast aspersions on my professional credentials, insinuate that I am a pedophile, caricature what they believe to be my religion, call for new editors to hound me on wiki and off, or speculate that I am engaged in a homosexual relationship with Gamaliel. When I have spoken at universities, Gamergaters have sent letters to their chancellors or presidents demanding that my host be fired. When I reluctantly agreed to speak at a Gamergate event (since cancelled), they openly planned my downfall in the most vivid terms. All this is childish and vexatious, but it is also fatiguing, and since Gamergate's rhetoric is prone to violence, it would be imprudent completely to ignore it all. Though a few Wikipedians have been helpful and sometimes sympathetic, Misplaced Pages has seldom lifted a finger to help or offered any expression of thanks for arduous work defending Misplaced Pages's own principles against this pernicious menace.
And.... we’ve just seen what, if I can read the illiterate scrawl correctly, what appears to be a death threat arising from this charming discussion. I have notified Oversight. You folks sure expect a lot from volunteers, and we receive very scanty thanks. MarkBernstein (talk) 22:04, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by MasemI had brought Mark Bernstein to AE before, which resulted in the Sept 5 2015 diff linked by Starke above; I voluntarily took a break from the page for a minimum of 3 months but only returned in March 2016, when I saw a WashPost article I felt was interesting in its neutral take (). That was met with ad hominem comments from Mark Bernstein (among others) that had nothing to do with the policy issues I raised. , . Further discussion brings more of these ad hominem comments , . In particular, this ad hominem statement is based on the original personal attack he made against me ("rape apologist") that got him blocked in November 2014 (linked by Starke above) simply because I explained the factual nature of a certain image and colors used by GG (which by no means implies that I support that, but that's how this is being taken). I want to stress again that this block occurred simultaneously to the GG Arbcom case, so his behavior was not the subject of any review there. Several of Starke's diffs are statements that continue this type of ad hominem attack against other editors as a means of discrediting them instead of talking about policy issues on what is a very difficult subject to cover by a neutral encyclopedia. I have purposely, pursuant to the previous AE I raised and its conclusion by ArbCom, avoided any direct response to any of Mark Bernstein's comments and otherwise potentially engaging with him on any topic, simply letting them go and focusing on policy aspects with other editors. (The GG page is actually still off my watchlist to avoid any urge to engage routinely). I did this purposely to avoid recreating the situation that led to the first AE, at least from my own end. I would hope that evidence here shows that while normally it takes two to tango in heated discussions, that Mark Bernstein appears to rather snipe at editors that don't take up his very specific POV, instead of discussing the nuances with covering the topic neutrally. He is creating more discourse than needed, and he should not be participating in this topic area. --MASEM (t) 17:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Statement by Brustopher@Gamaliel: I went AWOL for 4 months so I might have missed something but when did DHeyward violate the iban and not get sanctioned? I can only recall one case of him violating the IBAN (in the signpost comment) and he got blocked for that. Brustopher (talk) 20:05, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Statement by Ryk72MarkBernstein's original statement is, to quote an old friend, While I join that editor in deploring harassment, and threats to any person anywhere (including threats to women in the software and journalism industries), none of these are exculpatory of:
I am not a member of the Gamergate movement; Masem, DHeyward and other editors are not a members of the Gamergate movement. It is utterly inappropriate for MarkBernstein, or any other editor, to treat us as if we are; or as if we are responsible for or apologists for any of the actions of the Gamergate movement. We are Wikipedians and should be treated with the same respect as any other editors. Multiple editors have requested many times that MarkBernstein's disruptive behaviours cease. (My own most recent requests:) . It is time that they did, preferably voluntarily, but if not, then by administrative action. I began with a quote, and should finish with a quote, from a respected editor: If MarkBernstein sees Gamergaters in every shadow and beneath each rock, then it's time for a Wikibreak. - Ryk72 12:26, 13 April 2016 (UTC) @Gamaliel:, With respect, and regret, it is clear that you no longer have the required level of objectivity with regards to either the Gamergate controversy or User:MarkBernstein. I respectfully request that you either strike your statements or move them from the Uninvolved Admins section to a new Statement by section. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 21:49, 12 April 2016 (UTC) @The Wordsmith:, With regards to question of involvement, I would consider that a Misplaced Pages administrator:
@Drmies and Dennis Brown: As two respected administrators who have previously been involved in AE discussions on MarkBernstein's behaviours, your input may be valuable. - Ryk72 12:26, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by MONGOThere is such a thing as fighting the right fight in the wrong way or with excessive zeal in which we see boogeyman in places where there aren't any. A six month vacation from GG topics is long overdue for Bernstein. Its not like the topic will implode with his temporary hiatus...they may just get better.--MONGO 22:33, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by CarriteI've got no idea whatsoever, none, why Mark Bernstein has been allowed to once again edit on the Gamergate topic. The Gamergate crew may well be the biggest band of jackwagons on the planet, but NPOV is NPOV. If one can't set aside their biases, but rather continues again and again and again to engage in polemics and to make one-sided claims, it is time for that editor to be removed from that topic. We're at least a year past that juncture here. Carrite (talk) 00:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by ColorOfSufferingThis has gone on long enough. The fact that MarkBernstein is allowed anywhere near Gamergate-related articles continues to confound me. I don't have much more to add beyond the evidence that has already been provided in this and previous AE requests. MarkBernstein's behavior has not changed, and it will not change. His edits are not productive. He is frequently attacking other editors and questioning their motivations. Given the diffs provided, I don't know how anyone could expect this editor to hold even a shred of neutrality in this space. He has demonstrated time and time again that his contributions to any Gamergate-related article will never be productive due to his oft-admitted bias. WP:NPOV is a core content policy. We have to be better than this. ColorOfSuffering (talk) 00:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Statement by GamerPro64I don't think I've ever seen a comment made by MarkBernstein where he doesn't bring up GamerGate into a discussion. I think he has reached the point of obsession and should find a different topic to take part of here. I echo ColorOfSuffering's comment on his contributions on anything GamerGate being productive. I suggest topic-banning him. This has gone on far too long. GamerPro64 01:05, 13 April 2016 (UTC) @The Wordsmith: I want to point out how rather problematic it is to have MarkBernstein be part of GamerGate topics when he has a section in his user page dedicated to GamerGate. The last paragraph alone where he imagines a meeting with Zoe Quinn scolding him doesn't show a person unbiased. GamerPro64 20:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by CoffeeCrumbsThe editor in question already has *7* hits on his block log on this topic and Starke Hathaway could have put three times as many diffs in his statement if he wanted to -- it would actually save a good deal of space to post the diffs in which Bernstein *wasn't* soapboxing or casting aspersions on others. These are among the reasons he received those previous blocks, this isn't new behavior. If you find an uncivil Gamergate discussion, Bernstein's usually at the heart of it. Let Bernstein and his Gamergate rivals go have their feud elsewhere. And per Ryk72, Gamaliel should not be pretending he's not personally involved in this topic and this editor. Even now, he's using Gamergate as his bogeyman in an unrelated arbitration case request against himself and requesting another administrator take concerns about his level of involvement behind closed doors rather than out in public. Gamaliel is certainly entitled to express his opinion, but not presenting it under the guise of an impartial, uninvolved administrator. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 01:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Some diffs that haven't yet popped up:
And it keeps going. And more than just Gamergate page itself, it's a problem with any related page. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 06:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by KingsindianIt is virtually impossible to find a thread on the Gamergate talk page in which Mark Bernstein does not engage in soapboxing or unfounded accusations about Gamergate collusion off-site. Maybe Mark Bernstein has reasons to be paranoid or careful, but when every thread is like this, it gets tiring. To give a few months old example of some rather egregious behaviour by MB, here is one where he implies another editor (Sitush), is anti-Semitic, without actually saying it explicitly. This kind of passive-aggressive behaviour is par for the course and is long-standing. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 05:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by SitushWhat Kingsindian says above and Spartaz below. I've no idea why MB is still allowed anywhere near any of his pet topics. He's clever with his words, insinuations, passive-aggressiveness, suggestions of something similar to martyrdom etc but ultimately highly toxic. Things are never going to stand a chance of improving while he is permitted to operate in areas such as Gamergate. It has gone on for long enough. I also think Gamaliel is far too involved to act as an admin in this area. - Sitush (talk) 05:46, 13 April 2016 (UTC) @MarkBernstein:, you say above "In recent months, the fora used to coordinate that campaign (and some new ones) have planned a fresh assault on their new Wiki targets." Prove it. - Sitush (talk) 06:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Statement by Only in deathIts openly acknowledged that Bernstein enjoys the protection of Gamaliel (except of course, by them) due to their shared POV and idealistic crusade against all things gamergate. If at this point his previous blocks and the diffs supplied above (let alone his off-wiki actions where he bullies his opponents through social media) are not enough to get someone a topic ban from an area under discretionary sanctions, then there really is no point in AE as a noticeboard, as it is failing in its purpose to enforce sanctions. Only in death does duty end (talk) 07:32, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by AnonNepThe statement by Sitush caught my eye. Let's change the username. To wit: " I've no idea why (Eric Corbett) is still allowed anywhere near any of his pet topics. He's clever with his words, insinuations, passive-aggressiveness, suggestions of something similar to martyrdom etc but ultimately highly toxic." Just saying. AnonNep (talk) 15:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by Mr ErnieIt's time to take action or close this request. There has been ample evidence presented. The longer this goes on, the more off topic it will become. Topic Ban or close with no action, but be ready for the next one in a few weeks. My recommendation is a 6 month topic ban or so, with a continued plea to experienced editors that help is clearly needed at the Gamergate article. The reference to Eric Corbett is entirely unnecessary and is only intended to derail this report. Mr Ernie (talk) 16:05, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by Torchiest@The Wordsmith: I wasn't going to comment here, but the diff Drmies provided after "Mark Bernstein uses GG advocacy accusations rather haphazardly", the diff you quoted in your most recent reply, is the very first diff listed in the original request by Starke Hathaway. That is, in fact, the comment that I found unacceptable enough that I collapsed it (the second diff in the original request) and warned MB that further such comments would force me to bring him here. That's the comment that he repeated almost word for word (minus the most personal attack), the third diff in the original request. That is in fact that straw that broke the camel's back and finds us here. —Torchiest edits 20:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Statement by (Username)Result concerning MarkBernstein
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