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⚫ == Scientology R2-45: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
{{subst:Arbitration case request
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'''Initiated by ''' &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> '''at''' 08:57, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


=== Involved parties ===
⚫ |Scientology R2-45: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
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*{{userlinks|MSGJ}}, ''filing party''
*{{admin|The Wordsmith}}
*{{userlinks|Prioryman}}
*{{userlinks|Feoffer}}
*{{userlinks|Damotclese}}
*{{userlinks|Slashme}}
*{{userlinks|Thimbleweed}}


;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
|admin = no
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|party2 = The Wordsmith *
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|P2 admin = yes
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|party3 = Prioryman
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|P3 admin = no
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|party4 = Feoffer
|P4 admin = no

|party5 = Damotclese
|P5 admin = no

|party6 = Slashme
|P6 admin = no

|party7 = Thimbleweed
|P7 admin = no

|otherDRsteps =


;Confirmation that other steps in ] have been tried
*] on whether the is a ] to support extraordinary criminal allegations. *] on whether the is a ] to support extraordinary criminal allegations.
*] on copyright violations of (1) an image used in the article and (2) a link to a page hosting an unlicensed copyright recording. *] on copyright violations of (1) an image used in the article and (2) a link to a page hosting an unlicensed copyright recording.
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=== Statement by MSGJ ===
|statement = ({{user|BiologistBabe}} was a minor ] member.) ({{user|BiologistBabe}} was a minor ] member.)


A TEAM of editors/administrator is working against ] to advocate against Scientology. The editors of ] use/d ]ed quotes, blog speculations, an image in violation of ], a single book mention from 50 years ago (no other critical books mention the subject), and ] theory from a non-expert to accuse Scientology of A TEAM of editors/administrator is working against ] to advocate against Scientology. The editors of ] use/d ]ed quotes, blog speculations, an image in violation of ], a single book mention from 50 years ago (no other critical books mention the subject), and ] theory from a non-expert to accuse Scientology of
#publishing lists of people to be killed, #publishing lists of people to be killed,
#death threats to intimidate enemies, #death threats to intimidate enemies,
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and two members of the TEAM have nominated it for GA., and two members of the TEAM have nominated it for GA.,


In AE, '''The Wordsmith''' deprecated Prioryman's editing violations: "The sources are an editorial matter, not a disciplinary one."] But under Arbcom , editorial and content violations are sanctionable. There is real factor of ]. The accusation reaches into present time because Hubbard's words are dogma for the church. The Church leaders, now and in the past, are alive and known by name. Every person who identifies as a Scientologist from ] to John Doe is accused of being in a murder-suicide cult. In AE, '''The Wordsmith''' deprecated Prioryman's editing violations: "The sources are an editorial matter, not a disciplinary one."] But under Arbcom ], editorial and content violations are sanctionable. There is real factor of ]. The accusation reaches into present time because Hubbard's words are dogma for the church. The Church leaders, now and in the past, are alive and known by name. Every person who identifies as a Scientologist from ] to John Doe is accused of being in a murder-suicide cult.


Not all editors named edited this article. But all added "consensus". Not all editors named edited this article. But all added "consensus".
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'''NB The Process:''' The sanction "was, in fact, suggested by an Arbitrator I consulted for advice". That Arbitrator should be identified and recused. '''NB The Process:''' The sanction "was, in fact, suggested by an Arbitrator I consulted for advice". That Arbitrator should be identified and recused.
=== Statement by The Wordsmith ===

=== Statement by Prioryman ===
=== Statement by Feoffer ===
=== Statement by Damotclese ===
=== Statement by Slashme ===
=== Statement by Thimbleweed ===
=== Statement by {Non-party} ===
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
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=== Clerk notes ===
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== Scientology R2-45: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence 

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Initiated by — Martin (MSGJ · talk) at 08:57, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by MSGJ

(BiologistBabe (talk · contribs) was a minor WP:TEAM member.)

A TEAM of editors/administrator is working against Scientology arbitration of 2009 to advocate against Scientology. The editors of R2-45 use/d WP:cherrypicked quotes, blog speculations, an image in violation of WP:COPYVIO, a single book mention from 50 years ago (no other critical books mention the subject), and WP:FRINGE theory from a non-expert to accuse Scientology of

  1. publishing lists of people to be killed,
  2. death threats to intimidate enemies,
  3. ordering people to commit suicide,
  4. advising believers to commit suicide, and
  5. being founded by a "malignant narcissist". R2-45 cites a diagnosis by sociology professor Stephen A. Kent, though Kent is not a psychiatrist, never met Hubbard personally, worked from anecdotes, and did not have the essay peer reviewed by psychiatrists or published in a psychiatric journal. The diagnosis is not in standard medical texts, and Kent is considered FRINGE by members of his own field (as told on the Misplaced Pages page).

Conspiracy to murder and threat to murder are criminal accusations. All these allegations are highly infamous and need reliable sources, but these are the weakest. The article violates WP:REDFLAG: "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources." But as one TEAM member Thimbleweed admitted: The problem here is that there aren't any proper secondary sources, we'll have to make do with what we have. None of the other TEAM members objected to that assessment.

Yet the TEAM has repeatedly agreed on the talk page that the article is in tip-top shape, and two members of the TEAM have nominated it for GA.,

In AE, The Wordsmith deprecated Prioryman's editing violations: "The sources are an editorial matter, not a disciplinary one."] But under Arbcom 15.1, editorial and content violations are sanctionable. There is real factor of WP:BLP. The accusation reaches into present time because Hubbard's words are dogma for the church. The Church leaders, now and in the past, are alive and known by name. Every person who identifies as a Scientologist from Tom Cruise to John Doe is accused of being in a murder-suicide cult.

Not all editors named edited this article. But all added "consensus".

I am topic banned for a year (as of June 1) for opposing the TEAM. The Wordsmith presided over the AE, which was wrong:

  1. The Wordsmith has a private collection of Scientology literature and knows more about the cult than "most Scientologists" -- i.e., possible WP:COI (cultist or ex-cultist)
  2. After filing the AE, complainant Prioryman canvassed The Wordsmith to preside over the proceeding.
  3. The Wordsmith banned me as an SPA,WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive193#Sfarney which proved false in the appeal.
  4. The Wordsmith announced that secret information justified the banning, convincing others to affirm the sanction, but later admitted the secret information was untrue.

The findings were reversed, but the ban remains in place. And the members of the R2-45 TEAM are in violation of Scn ArbCom.

NB The Process: The sanction "was, in fact, suggested by an Arbitrator I consulted for advice". That Arbitrator should be identified and recused.

Statement by The Wordsmith

Statement by Prioryman

Statement by Feoffer

Statement by Damotclese

Statement by Slashme

Statement by Thimbleweed

Statement by {Non-party}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.

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