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| Thank You Mackensen, sorry to have troubled you. Either the proxies are too intricate, or it must be meatpuppetry. Bear in mind the issue is NOT sockpuppetry, it is complex long term abuse. Sockpuppetry was just one option on the mechanics of it that, if proven would resolve it once and for all, so checking seemede obvious. The complex, long term abuse and collusion is not even in doubt. --] 02:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | Thank You Mackensen, sorry to have troubled you. Either the proxies are too intricate, or it must be meatpuppetry. Bear in mind the issue is NOT sockpuppetry, it is complex long term abuse. Sockpuppetry was just one option on the mechanics of it that, if proven would resolve it once and for all, so checking seemede obvious. The complex, long term abuse and collusion is not even in doubt. --] 02:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
| Thanks, Mackensen. Unfortunately, Zaraeph's delusions will persist, even despite evidence to the contrary. --] 12:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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A Kiwi
- A Kiwi (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Keyne (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- 199.181.32.204 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) (admitted IP of User:Keyne)
- SandyGeorgia (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- 67.86.96.174 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) (admitted IP of User:SandyGeorgia)
Something is very wrong here but I cannot get a clear picture of what. User:A Kiwi has only ever edited on the contentious aspects of User:SandyGeorgia's editing and , in blind support of User:Keyne, who, in turn edits in the same way as User:SandyGeorgia with exactly the same kind of syntax and logic compare: with and .
At this stage I am convinced that there is some degree of sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry going on, though if sockpuppetry I feel certain it is masked carefully in proxies. User:A Kiwi produced a list of simultaneous, or near simultaneous, posts made by User:SandyGeorgia and User:Keyne, but that is easily done by using two different browsers with different proxy settings (Gozilla at least used to allow this). However, everybody makes mistakes sooner or later and a checkuser may reveal one or two, or sufficient other features to at least give some idea of the truth. --Zeraeph 13:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- So, Keyne is from Chicago, Sandy is from New York and both have static IP addresses. I have a dial-up connection with randomly assigned addresses (not everyone has access to cable or broadband). Thank you very much for following through on my request that you take steps to back up your allegations rather than leaving things as mere aspersions and smears. Mediation Cabal It is deeply appreciated. The sooner the full truth is known, the better for all concerned. --I am Kiwi 00:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Clerk note: Discussion moved to talk page. The checkusers are very experienced at looking at this sort of thing and the answer will be whatever it will be (assuming the request is accepted).
Summary Zeraeph has accused SandyGeorgia and Keyne as being sock or meatpuppets for their edits at Talk:Asperger Syndrome. A Kiwi appeared in the middle of the dispute with no prior edit history and produced a defense of SandyGeorgia and Keyne. Thatcher131 (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Kiwi posted to Keyne's page on August 20; although her only edit history is defense of Keyne, she did not "appear in the middle of the dispute, with no prior edit history". Sandy 16:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keyne brought this situation to my attention today. I have responded on the talk page here, and hope that an admin will e-mail me for copies of the e-mails I have been receiving. Sandy 16:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
This entire situation is getting amusing. Please do let me know if I'm multiple, with the ability to be in at least three places at once. I'd like to use my powers for good! For reference, I post from a computer near Chicago and in Northwest Indiana, depending on if I'm at work. I'd really like to settle Zaraeph's rather paranoid delusions as soon as possible. It's getting silly. --Keyne 17:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
This does not seem appropriate for checkuser and appears to be a fishing expidition - I would hate to think that someone showing up in the middle of a debate at the "wrong time" would get the preverbial ip spinal tap. On the (non-existant) chance that this does come true - what benefit is there to the grand encyclopedia? Basically, you block a couple of socks... but no real policy violations other then that. Please drop this nonsense and get some real mediators going here. (DISCLAIMER: SG referred me to this on my talk page, and IIRC at one point someone accused me of being of a SG sock as well). RN 21:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Unrelated Mackensen (talk) 22:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank You Mackensen, sorry to have troubled you. Either the proxies are too intricate, or it must be meatpuppetry. Bear in mind the issue is NOT sockpuppetry, it is complex long term abuse. Sockpuppetry was just one option on the mechanics of it that, if proven would resolve it once and for all, so checking seemede obvious. The complex, long term abuse and collusion is not even in doubt. --Zeraeph 02:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Mackensen. Unfortunately, Zaraeph's delusions will persist, even despite evidence to the contrary. --Keyne 12:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)