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| For removing POV, the words "exploit" and "marriage broker" and "mail order bride" either need to be removed or placed in quotations so it is very clear that the editors do not pass judgement on the online dating industry where there is a restraining order on the IMBRA law in question. See Restraining Order. This is the son of a fundraiser for Tahirih who is obviously the chosen webmaster. He should take a step back and ask himself what he is doing. This topic is clearly not in his personal interest otherwise."] 19:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | For removing POV, the words "exploit" and "marriage broker" and "mail order bride" either need to be removed or placed in quotations so it is very clear that the editors do not pass judgement on the online dating industry where there is a restraining order on the IMBRA law in question. See Restraining Order. This is the son of a fundraiser for Tahirih who is obviously the chosen webmaster. He should take a step back and ask himself what he is doing. This topic is clearly not in his personal interest otherwise."] 19:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
| Hey Kirill, thanks for all your help man. This guy is really weird; he's talking crap about you now on his site. Really awkward person....] 22:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Short version of WPMILHIST Navigation
Perhaps it would be a good idea to make a shorter version of template:WPMILHIST Navigation, for short pages like Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (military vehicles). It could have all the links in the first section and just the headings of the remaining sections, or the remaining sections collapsed by default.
On the other hand, guidelines grow, and it may not be worth the trouble to make it, maintain a copy, and keep swapping it in and out of pages. Just an idea. —Michael Z. 2006-08-15 21:13 Z
Formating issue
Its come to my attention that US army forts are located in articles that adressing such installations as "Fort X", where "X" is the name of the fort, and "Fort X, Y" where "X" is the fort and "Y" is the area that it is located in (Texas, Illinios, etc). For the sake of uniformity we should decide on one methode of presenting the names instead of using both methodes. IMHO, we should use the former and reserve the latter for cases where two forts happen to share the same name. For examples of what I am talking about, you can see Fort Bliss, Texas, Fort Sheridan, Illinois, Fort Sill, and Fort Knox. TomStar81 21:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (city names) suggests that US city articles be formated as "City, States" and other well known cities be formated "City, Country"; however it should be noted that multiple locations in a country can share the same name, especially when the name is popular (this is one reason why so many city names share disambiguious links). Military installations do not generally share names since that would create confusion as to the base being referenced (I would venture an educated guess its also the reason why each service branch uses a different naming convetion, like AFB, Naval air satation, Fort, etc). Unless the names of military installations are shared on a multinational level (like having a George AFB in the US for George Washinton and a George AFB in Engalnd for King George) I do not see that there would be a problem in IDing a base simple by name and not by county, state, region, etc. Unfourtunatly, as I am preparing to leave the city for a few days I do not have the time to conduct a thurough investigation into the issue, so this at the moment is just observations. When I return I will look into it more thoruoghly and let you know what I turn up. TomStar81 22:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Kirill, I have had some time recently to look into this matter further. I found three lists —List of United States Navy installations List of United States Army installations, and List of United States Air Force installations— which hi-light the standard format of US army installations based on the format currently used by the US Department of Defense. It would appear the Army bases are usually named "Fort X", where x is the name of the fort, while Navy and Air Force guys seem to use the format "NS/NAS Y" or "Y AFB" where "Y" is the name of a certain citiy, or town, or other civilian location. I think that we ought to adopt this format for US military installations so that they can all conform to the names that they are refered to here. TomStar81 01:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Most pages already have the correct name, but some (like Fort Bliss) were moved from there original name and can not be returned to those pages without going through the requested moves page, unless of course an admin such as your self undoes that move and restores the original name to the page. To keep this from happening in the future maybe we ought to come up with our own naming convention, if we have not done so already. TomStar81 17:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
FA nominations in Version 0.5
Hi, Kirill! I have a question: I saw your nominations of FA articles in Misplaced Pages:Version 0.5 Nominations. And I was wondering: Most of these secions, such as Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, Military history of the Soviet Union, Siege and tank have no or veeeeeeeery few inline citations. And in some of them even the references are poor. Why are these articles remaining feautired??
I'm even more astonished, since we are now striving to have the articles well-referenced and full with inline citations. It does not look fair to me.
Thanks! And congradulations for your re-election (you know you are already reelected!)!--Yannismarou 18:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- We knew he would be before the vote even started... :P -- Grafikm 13:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Portal
Hey can you try to put Image:Naval Jack of the United States.svg into {{portal|Military of the United States|Image:Naval Jack of the United States.svg}}? Thnx Joe I 19:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
POW Camps
Where does this subject fit inot overall Military History project?
I can't find the right place. And of course none of my new articles are listed under new articles for that reason
Syrenab 14:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Portal:Bangladesh
Yo Kirill - I request your help in making Portal:Bangladesh featured. Please do check out Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Bangladesh portal. Rama's arrow 17:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Unfinished work FAC
Thank you very much for the constructive criticism of unfinished work at it's FAC. I have responded to your comments and made some changes to the article. Even though it is no longer active as an FA candidate I would still greatly appreciate you reviewing what I have said and done, should you have the time. Cheers, violet/riga (t) 21:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick response. I've been working on the article this evening, and hope that I've met most of your concerns. violet/riga (t) 23:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- It seems that Raul654 decided that the nomination had gotten stale and, after many additions to the article, I have renominated it. Please take a look to see if it meets your approval. Thanks, violet/riga (t) 13:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
American Civil War task force
Given how active you are in this area, I thought you might be interested in the newly-created American Civil War task force of the Military history WikiProject; someone of your considerable experience would be extremely welcome, I think. Kirill Lokshin 20:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I am not too interested in group administrative activities such as this. I will check out their project page from time to time, but I intend to spend my time writing articles. Considering the very low volume of ACW content editing (not including the blizzard of renaming categories, date formats, and generating random assessments on Talk pages), I really wonder why you bothered to create a separate task force in the first place. Hal Jespersen 20:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Rewriting a B-Class article
Kirill. What's the policy on a total rewrite of a B-Class article ie:The War of the Grand Alliance? The article needs major work. Can I totally rewrite it, or I am I only permitted by Misplaced Pages policy, or wiki etiquette, just to edit/adapt what's already there? Raymond Palmer 22:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Although it may take me a couple of months. Raymond Palmer 22:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Autotagging reloaded
Hi Kirill,
Since our article autotag thing is going nowhere, I was thinking about another thing in order to make it pass:
I would create a page "/Autotag" either in the WP:MILHIST tree or somewhere else, explaining what autotag is, why is it useful and so on. (just a few lines, mind you).
But most important, it will have a queue (wow, I drank too much, can't even write that word right... <_<) listing all the operations the bot will perform, such as:
- {{AFV}} - All articles having this infobox are military history and will be tagged - XXX total as of DD/MM/YYYY, YYY remaining
- {{AmericanCivilWar-stub}} - All articles having this infobox pertain to the history and will be tagged - XXX total as of DD/MM/YYYY, YYY remaining
Project members (and perhaps other people too) will be able to discuss the choice of stubs, propose some more, oppose some of them and so on.
The idea is to show we're completely transparent on the subject, that we're receptive and we discuss the potential impacts. Sure thing, it will be quite cumbersome (although I think I'll manage it), but it is better rather than having all this thing going nowhere. Cause I don't know if you have the idea of how much articles are untagged just because they don't have a talk page... well I do, and it is quite terrifying... <_<
What do you think?
Best,
Graf.
Remaining work on Version 0.5
Hi Kirill, thanks for starting the WikiProject Council, that seems like a very useful idea. I wondered if you could take a look at my recent post and give me some feedback? If you have time, some comments on the rivers and the Lakes and Seas set noms. Thanks! Walkerma 05:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Fair use image
Thanks for your message, as you are no doubt aware the Potter image was originally tagged as GFDL. If you'd been to commons you'd have seen I'd already removed that component some 5 hours before your message when I saw the tag had been queried (you may have to clear your cache). Thanks for the heads up anyway, - GIen 06:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Re: August newsletter
Will start tomorrow 15:00 UTC or something, I'm just too wasted right now and need go sleep :) -- Grafikm 00:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delivery complete :) -- Grafikm 14:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The Vote for Cooridinator
Congrats on being elected (or reelected, I cant remeber which at the moment) as lead cooridinator! In honor of you achievement, I present you with these stars. I wish you and your staff the best in the coming term. TomStar81 00:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
WWII Question
I have an article here on the Battle of Petsamo, which occured during the Winter War between Finland and the USSR. I was curious as to whether or not this falls under the WWII task force. I am of the opinion that it does. --Laserbeamcrossfire 06:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks a bunch, as usual! --Laserbeamcrossfire 07:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue VI - August 2006
The August 2006 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This is an automated delivery by grafikbot -- 12:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Automation department
Hi Kirill,
I created the automation department page at the link you provided (well, the first version of it :). Please tell me what you think :)
However, we still need to think what can we do about this approval thing... <_<
Best, Grafikm 14:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
{{WPBiography}}
Hi Kirill. Do you have the above on your watchlist? (Rhetorical question :) since I'm really asking you to add it if you don't :)). Obviously, it's quite high profile now, and a specific user (Ghetteaux (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) has twice added a rather useless fair use image to it. He's had a fairly stern warning this time. In the unlikely event that doesn't do the trick and I'm not here (off to bed shortly) would you take care of it please? Either a short block, protect the template until the morning, or both. I think he's well-meaning so it should be OK. Cheers. No reply needed. --kingboyk 22:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Request
Hi Kirill. Would you be able to preform my requested move at WP:RM? (Magyars --> Hungarian people) It's already been 5 days, so it's in the backlog section right now. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 03:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks again. —Khoikhoi 16:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Re: Tagging question
Sure, will do :)) I'm just seeking for a way to do it in one pass as it currently requires two (and the second is not started yet). -- Grafikm 13:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Incidentally Kirill, I find the {{Stubclass}} template to be huge. If we (=all projects using it) don't want to get some complaints about too big templates on talk pages, maybe you can use your super template-fu to try and reduce the size just as you did with our own banner? :) -- Grafikm 13:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I can't do it in one pass, so I need two: one to tag non-tagged articles and assess them, second to assess articles already tagged (unless they were already assessed by a way or another). And I'm not qualified enough to mess up with advanced replacements in AWB yet... Slower but safer :) -- Grafikm 15:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology
Thanks for the advice in helping me breath life back into WP:MCB. It's such an important project, I think, but it's just lacking in direction. I'm looking forward to reading over what you have in the guide to WikiProjects so far. Even in its unfinished state, I'm sure I'll find it very handy. Cheers! – ClockworkSoul 17:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Sketches are coming
Here here :) -- Grafikm 18:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Añoranza
This case has closed and the final decision has been published at the link above.
To summarise, Añoranza is banned for one week and the principals in this matter are encouraged to enter into good faith negotiations regarding use of propagandistic operational codenames for which there are neutral alternative names in common use.
For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 21:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Help with ref
I can't figure out why this is happening-- Stephen Trigg is using the ref tag and the first one has just the letters listed, and besides that, the first one is not linking anywhere? I happened to also just be peer reviewing Basiliscus and noticed it happening there too on their footnote... Do you know what's heppening? plange 01:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! It was driving me nuts, kept thinking I was overlooking something really obvious :-) plange 01:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Question
Given that the scope of the military history project is so big (and that the project includes various subprojects), would it be possible to design a bot that could track which of the articles falling within the scope of the project (and any of its sub projects) that have been tagged with templates like cleanup, afd, FAC, FARC, etc, and list/categorize them so that editors within the project(s) can see at a glance what pages that fall into their particular group need help? I think this could help with things like deciding collaborations of the week, but the sheer size of the parent project is way too massive to permit a manual check of all articles. TomStar81 03:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
project banner template on Categories
Are we supposed to tag military related categories? --James Bond 09:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Portal Indonesia
Umm, so, it has been 17 days since I nominated the Indonesian portal on WP:FPCAN. I remember you said you want it to stay for 2 or 3 weeks on the nomination page. So, because 17 days is exactly between 2 - 3 weeks, can we decide now? Cheers! -- Imoeng 12:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for all your help to improve the Indonesian portal! Take care -- Imoeng 08:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
WP:MCB
"Coordinator" is looking good. Thanks. :) – ClockworkSoul 16:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Second Punic war
I decided to work over the whole Punic Wars section. Could you take a look or send me someone to check? Especially the Second Punic War (Talk:Second_Punic_War) I wanted to completly restructure it from a military perspective. I think this way the inner logic of events is presented better to the reader. Wandalstouring 19:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Admin advice
Kirill, check out Boy Scout and the actions of User:Spazik007, see the edits, talk page and his own talk page. He obviously has a vendetta against BSA, but is using this article, which is an international one in scope and about the youth himself, not any organization to carry out his agenda. Also, there is a FA on the subject, Boy Scouts of America membership controversies, for this subject. We get these guys from time to time, but he's by far been the most obstinate. Please advise on how to proceed. I'm asking you as the Scouting project has no active member that's an admin as far as I know and I respect your opinion. Thanks for your time. Rlevse 02:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- He just did it again, can you block him for 3RR? RFC now? Should you or I do the RFC? I've never done one and it might be better if someone not involved did it or left a warning.Rlevse 02:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
The message you left on Spazik's page regarding boy scouts
Hey, if you were to read and compare, you'd see that I made a couple changes to what I wrote, which actually makes it an edit and not a revert. We were debating the issue on the talk page and I made appropriate changes to the information I added. If your going to come onto my talk page and admonish me then please at least have the presence of mind to do some reaserch so you don't look like a fool. Spazik007 02:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject Military History Question
Do biography articles on senior civilian Pentagon officials, such as the Secretary of Defense qualify for inclusion in WikiProject Military History? --TommyBoy 03:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
please review Pavel Dybenko
please review Pavel Dybenko
AbuAmir 10:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Alert
Well...it's sort of an alert. The Tahirih Justice Center article has been discovered by someone who is very anti-IMBRA and who made some major changes to the article recently. I have reverted these, but I may need your help in the future so I'm just letting you know. This person apparently started a whole thread in an online forum where there is even some discussion about personal matters relating to me (see here). He might need to be banned, although we'll see what happens.UberCryxic 17:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
This guy (EnglishGarden) already opened a discussion on AI about me. I've added the link about my personal information there. I have to admit he is a little bit unstable. Just wait and see I guess.....UberCryxic 18:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Umm Kirill, I'm having some more trouble. At Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Tahirih Justice Center edited by son of fundraiser volunteer, one person wrote,
" I would be wary of editing articles where a conflict of interests might be presented. On one hand, you're a Misplaced Pages editor and must maintain NPOV when editing. On the other, it is your job, or a family member's job, to promote this organization. I would steer clear of the article if you're unable to be neutral. Furthermore, it is incorrect for you to assume bad faith in the complaining editor. He may have been accused of sock puppetry in the past, but that is niether here nor there. Please remain on topic. Regards to both"
No apparent care for the personal information.
EnglishGarden has written things like,
"You are still not disclosing whether there is financial remuneration in this for yourself. A 19 year old male isn't going to work hard as the webmaster of a Misplaced Pages article on a women's political organization in the Washington area whom his mother is a fundraiser/volunteer for...without some kind of interest."
"Erald's mother is a fundraiser volunteer for the Tahirih Justice Center. He has written a blatant fundraiser advertisement. Please check the changes I made. Here is the proof that she is a fundraiser/volunteer Mrs. Kolasi"
Can you please drop a word in there when you have time? Thank you very much. I'm sorry if this is all too sudden. It was definitely weird for me. I came back from class and for two hours straight I've had to deal with this stuff.UberCryxic 18:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I requested that now.UberCryxic 18:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, can you at least write another message to EnglishGarden telling him to stop using personal references and to stop being disruptive....or something to that effect. His focus on my mother precludes me from responding. As I told him, I would ignore any personal remarks from now on in the talk page. He is really flying off now, and he continues to make inflammatory and incorrect statements (claiming the person who I told you about was an administrator when in fact he wasn't) in his website. Thanks.UberCryxic 18:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
EnglishGarden wrote this in reply to your message,
"Thanx Kirill. I have proven that this young man's mother is a fundraiser for the TJC. He has admitted as much on the complaint board. He has not disclosed that he is not receiving remuneration as the webmaster for this article. There is a family conflict of interest and another member has asked him to steer clear of this board as a result.
For removing POV, the words "exploit" and "marriage broker" and "mail order bride" either need to be removed or placed in quotations so it is very clear that the editors do not pass judgement on the online dating industry where there is a restraining order on the IMBRA law in question. See Restraining Order. This is the son of a fundraiser for Tahirih who is obviously the chosen webmaster. He should take a step back and ask himself what he is doing. This topic is clearly not in his personal interest otherwise."UberCryxic 19:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey Kirill, thanks for all your help man. This guy is really weird; he's talking crap about you now on his site. Really awkward person....UberCryxic 22:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Drini and the CVU deletion
You, like so many other Wikipedians, seem to have felt that Drini's actions in the CVU deletion proccess were wholly inappropriate. As a result, I'm forming an ad-hoc group of sorts composed of people interested in removing Drini. If you'd like to be involved, just drop me a note. ShortJason 20:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)