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Current nominations
- Category:IPad Mini to Category:IPad – C2C. – Nick Mitchell 98 09:48, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Rio de Janeiro (city) to Category:Rio de Janeiro – C2D. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:05, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Katahrine Susannah Prichard to Category:Katharine Susannah Prichard – C2A: Spelling mistake JarrahTree 08:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Netherlands to Category:Commanders-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Netherlands – C2A pluralise Good Ol’factory 05:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Chief of Defence (Netherlands) to Category:Chiefs of Defence (Netherlands) – C2A pluralise Good Ol’factory 05:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by David Zucker to Category:Films directed by David Zucker (filmmaker) – C2D per David Zucker (filmmaker). Trivialist (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Jerry Zucker to Category:Films directed by Jerry Zucker (film director) – C2D per Jerry Zucker (film director). Trivialist (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Divisions of Wangcheng County to Category:Wangcheng District – C2D per Wangcheng District Le Deluge (talk) 23:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Divisions of Yuhu County to Category:Yuhu District – C2D per Yuhu District Le Deluge (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Indiana to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Indiana – C2C: Per Category:Aluminum sculptures in the United States, as established at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 1#Category:Aluminium sculptures in the United States. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Maryland to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Maryland
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in New York to Category:Aluminum sculptures in New York
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Ohio to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Ohio
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Oregon to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Oregon
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Pennsylvania to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Pennsylvania
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Texas to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Texas
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Utah to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Utah
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Washington (state) to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Washington (state)
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Washington, D.C. to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Washington, D.C.
- Category:Aluminium sculptures in Wisconsin to Category:Aluminum sculptures in Wisconsin
- Category:House of Mountbatten to Category:Mountbatten family – C2C, C2D per Category:British families. DrKay (talk) 18:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Burevestnik Voluntary Sports Society to Category:Burevestnik (sports society) – C2D: per Burevestnik (sports society) Tim! (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:K. Sint-Truidense V.V. to Category:Sint-Truidense V.V. – C2D per Sint-Truidense V.V.. SuperJew (talk) 12:12, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Dominican archaeologists to Category:Dominican Republic archaeologists – C2B Good Ol’factory 10:29, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Kenyan marxists to Category:Kenyan Marxists – C2A Good Ol’factory 10:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Bentleigh Greens to Category:Bentleigh Greens SC – C2D per Bentleigh Greens SC. Struway2 (talk) 09:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Morristown High School (Morristown, New Jersey) alumni to Category:Morristown High School alumni – C2D to match title of parent article Morristown High School. Alansohn (talk) 03:25, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose as ambiguous, Category:Morristown High School alumni is a disambiguation page. – Fayenatic London 07:00, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Support I'd say to merge Category:Morristown High School (Morristown, Tennessee) alumni into Category:Morristown-Hamblen High School East alumni, as the page Morristown-Hamblen High School East also contains the history when it was known as Morristown High School. And then merge Category:Morristown High School (Morristown, New Jersey) alumni to Category:Morristown High School alumni per nomination
- Category:Brose Baskets players to Category:Brose Bamberg players – {the basketball team is now named Brose Bamberg } H-Hurry (talk) 10:16, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Communication by region to Category:Communications by region – C2C per contents as well as siblings Category:Communications by continent, Category:Communications by country. – Fayenatic London 08:47, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Climate change by region to Category:Climate change by continent – C2C, as all the contents are continents. – Fayenatic London 08:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Irish hip hop artists to Category:Irish hip hop musicians – C2C per others in Category:Hip hop musicians by nationality Le Deluge (talk) 23:06, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Auditor Generals of Pakistan to Category:Auditors General of Pakistan – correct terminology --115.167.117.55 (talk) 19:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Maps of Long Island, New York to Category:Maps of Long Island – C2C: Per other categories related to Long Island, such as Category:Long Island. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:38, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose, per the other places named Long Island, some less known than others. Furthermore, we're not doing this to other parts of New York, so there's no reason to single out Long Island. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 19:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment – there is also Category:Images of Long Island, New York. Oculi (talk) 00:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- The few categories which use "Long Island, New York" are the exception and should be fixed; nearly all page titles about this island use "Long Island". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:39, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Indeed. So you might like to add Category:Images of Long Island, New York. Oculi (talk) 10:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- The few categories which use "Long Island, New York" are the exception and should be fixed; nearly all page titles about this island use "Long Island". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:39, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment – there is also Category:Images of Long Island, New York. Oculi (talk) 00:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose, per the other places named Long Island, some less known than others. Furthermore, we're not doing this to other parts of New York, so there's no reason to single out Long Island. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 19:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Director Generals of the Federal Investigation Agency to Category:Directors General of the Federal Investigation Agency – correct terminology --113.203.155.63 (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Director Generals of the Intelligence Bureau (Pakistan) to Category:Directors General of the Intelligence Bureau (Pakistan) – correct terminology --113.203.155.63 (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Brisbane Bears Best and Fairest winners to Category:Brisbane Bears Club Champion winners – per parent article at Brisbane Bears Club Champion and sibling categories in Category:Best and Fairest winners. Flickerd (talk) 06:38, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Fitzroy Best and Fairest winners to Category:Mitchell Medal winners – per parent article at Mitchell Medal and sibling categories in Category:Best and Fairest winners. Flickerd (talk) 05:28, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Demolished hotel buildings in Omaha, Nebraska to Category:Demolished hotels in Omaha, Nebraska – C2C: per parent and sibling categories. HandsomeFella (talk) 19:43, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Former hotels in New Hampshire to Category:Defunct hotels in New Hampshire – C2C. – Fayenatic London 18:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Directors of the Inter-Services Intelligence to Category:Director Generals of the Inter-Services Intelligence – the full title of the head of the ISI is "Director General" not solely "Director" WhiteAndGreenBug8 (talk) 05:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: shouldn't it be "Directors General"? HandsomeFella (talk) 07:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it is "Director Generals" not "Directors General."--113.203.216.195 (talk) 18:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: The correct English terminology is "Directors-General", not "Director-Generals". Mar4d (talk) 09:11, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it is "Director Generals" not "Directors General."--113.203.216.195 (talk) 18:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: shouldn't it be "Directors General"? HandsomeFella (talk) 07:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Opposed nominations
- Category:Wooden bridges to Category:Timber bridges – C2D: timber bridge. Retain cat redirect for common name and also rename sub- and sub-sub-cats. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose : the overall category is Category:Wooden buildings and structures and only its subcategory referring to timber framing use the term "Timber" Hugo999 (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah - I'd agree with Hugo, for the reasons of the current category system. If you want to be picky and pedantic about it, timber is usually converted to lumber before being used in construction anyway. It's worth noting that the current timber bridge article arrived at its current length after a merger with the similarly sized article wooden bridge (now a redirect). Judging by the earlier content of the two articles, it could be yet another instance of one name (timber) used in the US and one (wooden) used in the rest of the English-speaking world - in which case C2D may suggest "yes", but C2A suggests "no". Grutness...wha? 06:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: The American country category Category:Wooden bridges in the United States and 20 subcategories by state use "Wooden" not "Timber" Hugo999 (talk) 04:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose : the overall category is Category:Wooden buildings and structures and only its subcategory referring to timber framing use the term "Timber" Hugo999 (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Palestine Emergency to Category:Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine – C2D per Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine Good Ol’factory 09:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Category:British military personnel of the Palestine Emergency to Category:British military personnel of the Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine
- @Good Olfactory: I'm not sure this would be an improvement. The main article Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine begins "Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine involved paramilitary actions carried out by Jewish underground groups against the British forces and officials in Mandatory Palestine between 1939 and 1948." So it does not seem accurate to refer to "the Jewish insurgency" as an event; perhaps "the period of Jewish insurgency"? Meanwhile, the term "Palestine Emergency" is used elsewhere for this period, in United Kingdom casualties of war (dates stated as 1945–48) and
List of friendly fire incidents#Palestine Emergency (1944-47)List of friendly fire incidents#Palestine Emergency (1945-48). Perhaps the most specific term would follow the section Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine#The Jewish Resistance Movement and after, 1945–47. However, "British military personnel of the Jewish Resistance Movement" or the nomination "British military personnel of the Jewish insurgency" might imply involvement in or support for the Movement/insurgency. I'd be inclined to just add dates at the end of the existing name. – Fayenatic London 15:50, 21 June 2016 (UTC)- I revised the section link in the "friendly fire" article to 1945–48, as this also matches the dates given in the biographies in the subcat. – Fayenatic London 21:22, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose these two, not uncontroversial. – Fayenatic London 23:18, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- Moved the first one to a full discussion. Good Ol’factory 02:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Good Olfactory: I'm not sure this would be an improvement. The main article Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine begins "Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine involved paramilitary actions carried out by Jewish underground groups against the British forces and officials in Mandatory Palestine between 1939 and 1948." So it does not seem accurate to refer to "the Jewish insurgency" as an event; perhaps "the period of Jewish insurgency"? Meanwhile, the term "Palestine Emergency" is used elsewhere for this period, in United Kingdom casualties of war (dates stated as 1945–48) and
- Category:British military personnel of the Palestine Emergency to Category:British military personnel of the Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:R. White Daring Molenbeek to Category:Racing White Daring – C2D per Racing White Daring. Number 57 16:17, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:R. White Daring Molenbeek players to Category:Racing White Daring players
- Category:R. White Daring Molenbeek managers to Category:Racing White Daring managers
- Hold these three pending RM at Talk:Racing White Daring; it appears to me that the article is mis-named, and should include Molenbeek. – Fayenatic London 20:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Historians from the Republic of Venice to Category:Republic of Venice historians – C2C in Category:Republic of Venice people. Although the revised name could be taken as ambiguous, it follows the others in Category:Historians by nationality. – Fayenatic London 07:03, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Explorers from the Republic of Venice to Category:Republic of Venice explorers
- Oppose, because of the ambiguity already discussed at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 14. Sionk (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, well spotted. Wouldn't the same arguments apply to all of Category:Historians by nationality and Category:Explorers by nationality? Mass nomination, anyone? – Fayenatic London 17:36, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Good point. I agree the same arguments would apply to all of these, and am preparing a mass nomination for the smaller one, Category:Explorers by nationality. Cheers, PanchoS (talk) 23:25, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- I can't really see how the same argument applies generally to Category: Italian explorers, Category: French historians etc. The earlier debate arose because there is no descriptive adjective for people from the Republic of Venice. Sionk (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe it's unnecessary in Europe, but the category names in Europe should follow those required for places that were explored (OK, by Europeans, we know...)
- Anyway, this speedy nomination for Explorers will not be C2C if the rest are renamed the other way at Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_18#Category:Explorers_by_nationality. Historians should probably follow. – Fayenatic London 12:36, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- I can't really see how the same argument applies generally to Category: Italian explorers, Category: French historians etc. The earlier debate arose because there is no descriptive adjective for people from the Republic of Venice. Sionk (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Good point. I agree the same arguments would apply to all of these, and am preparing a mass nomination for the smaller one, Category:Explorers by nationality. Cheers, PanchoS (talk) 23:25, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, well spotted. Wouldn't the same arguments apply to all of Category:Historians by nationality and Category:Explorers by nationality? Mass nomination, anyone? – Fayenatic London 17:36, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Sionk: As there was a strong consensus at that CfD to keep the existing convention for Fooian explorers, the proposal here is C2C after all; so do you withdraw your opposition, at least for the explorers category? – Fayenatic London 17:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- Why would I do that? The category has already been renamed following a CfD. These are explorers/historians from the Republic of Venice, not of the Republic of Venice. Unlike many other nationalities, there is no adjective to describe people from the Republic of Venice. It's pointless blndly following convention when there is no 'one size that fits all'. Sionk (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Sionk: Because the parent is Category:Republic of Venice people, which contains many more occupations named like that. The point of the 2014 CfD was to insert "Republic of" in place of Venetian. By the consensus of the latest CfD, which rejected using "from" in all other cases, the 2014 participants worried too much when they put the location at the end of the name instead of the beginning to avoid ambiguity. – Fayenatic London 19:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- We could just renominate it for a full discussion. I supported the previous renaming, but in light of the more recent outcome, I would be happy to support changing it back. Good Ol’factory 00:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: As you can see the previous CfD discussion for historians and explorers (separate from all other professions) was raised to avoid ambiguity in these two specific categories. As was raised in the other Cfd, New Zealand suffers the same issues (there's no adjective 'Newzealandish'). Well, if the consensus is to restore this confusing ambiguity then so be it, I don't have the time or inclination to spend more time on these daft 'one size fits all' arguments. Sionk (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Sionk: Category definitions can be used to resolve any ambiguity that exists for a category based on its name if the ambiguity results from the name conforming to a convention. A sizable portion of category names are not 100% unambiguous, so this is not a new problem. Good Ol’factory 04:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- Who reads category definitions before adding a category? No one. A simple and practical solution would be to name categories so they are unambigious, rather than a rigid "This category was named that way, so all similar categories must follow regardless". Sionk (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Sionk: We have no way of knowing one way or the other the percentage of readers that read category headers, so I'm not sure how you are so sure that "no one" does. (I, for one, do read them when they are there – so your (perhaps exaggerrated?) opinion can't be correct.) Anyways, thinking more broadly, categories cannot always be 100% unambiguous, so the solution you propose is neither simple nor practical in many circumstances. Thinking of the category scheme as a whole, I think it makes more sense (and would generally be more helpful) to bring as much predictability and standardization as possible to the system, and then issues of relatively minor ambiguity could be dealt with through category definitions. It has the added beauty of being generally in line with current and historical practice on Misplaced Pages. Good Ol’factory 08:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Who reads category definitions before adding a category? No one. A simple and practical solution would be to name categories so they are unambigious, rather than a rigid "This category was named that way, so all similar categories must follow regardless". Sionk (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Sionk: Category definitions can be used to resolve any ambiguity that exists for a category based on its name if the ambiguity results from the name conforming to a convention. A sizable portion of category names are not 100% unambiguous, so this is not a new problem. Good Ol’factory 04:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Sionk: Because the parent is Category:Republic of Venice people, which contains many more occupations named like that. The point of the 2014 CfD was to insert "Republic of" in place of Venetian. By the consensus of the latest CfD, which rejected using "from" in all other cases, the 2014 participants worried too much when they put the location at the end of the name instead of the beginning to avoid ambiguity. – Fayenatic London 19:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- Why would I do that? The category has already been renamed following a CfD. These are explorers/historians from the Republic of Venice, not of the Republic of Venice. Unlike many other nationalities, there is no adjective to describe people from the Republic of Venice. It's pointless blndly following convention when there is no 'one size that fits all'. Sionk (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose, because of the ambiguity already discussed at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 14. Sionk (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Explorers from the Republic of Venice to Category:Republic of Venice explorers
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Linaria (bird genus) to Category:Linaria (bird) – C2D. BDD (talk) 17:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose: @BDD: this is not eligible for speedy processing under C2D due to recent move of Linaria (bird). – Fayenatic London 21:20, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
- Fayenatic london, do you disagree that the current title is "unambiguous and uncontroversial"? (bird genus) is irregular, overprecise disambiguation. Would full discussion be fruitful? --BDD (talk) 00:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- @BDD: As it happens, I do; a linnet is a bird, but Linaria is a bird genus. I'm surprised to see that there are a few others in Category:Bird genera named likewise. However, my opposition is not on the merits of the case, but solely on the process; C2D specifies two forms of evidence of "unambiguous and uncontroversial": either longstanding name, or RM. By all means do make a full CFD nomination; I shan't object to it. Easy CFDs are closed promptly these days. There is no need to quote or refer to this speedy nomination, as it's only opposed on process. – Fayenatic London 08:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Irish Ombudsman to Category:Ombudsman (Ireland) – C2D: per Ombudsman (Ireland) Tim! (talk) 19:35, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose Shouldn't it be Category:Ombudsmen (Ireland)? Pppery (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Category:British Commando Equipment to Category:British Commandos equipment – C2D: per British Commandos Tim! (talk) 19:01, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- I'll treat this revert by Andy Dingley (talk · contribs) as an oppose Full nomination at Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_30#Category:British_Commando_Equipment. Tim! (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Lithuanian courts to Category:Courts in Lithuania – C2C: per Category:Courts by country Tim! (talk) 19:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- Category:Christmas Island courts to Category:Courts in Christmas Island
- Category:Cocos (Keeling) Islands courts to Category:Courts in the Cocos (Keeling) Islands
- Category:Courts of Northern Ireland to Category:Courts in Northern Ireland
- Category:Courts of the Republic of Ireland to Category:Courts in the Republic of Ireland
- Category:Courts of Ireland to Category:Courts in Ireland
- Category:Greek courts to Category:Courts in Greece
- Category:Australian courts to Category:Courts in Australia – C2C. Tim! (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Tim!: are these right, though? Some of these are contrary to C2D. Most of the pages beginning Special:PrefixIndex/Courts_in are redirects; there are more beginning Special:PrefixIndex/Courts_of. – Fayenatic London 17:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: moved to a full discussion at Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_20#Category:Courts_by_country. Tim! (talk) 18:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Tim!: are these right, though? Some of these are contrary to C2D. Most of the pages beginning Special:PrefixIndex/Courts_in are redirects; there are more beginning Special:PrefixIndex/Courts_of. – Fayenatic London 17:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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