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I am always unwilling to remove the block of a well-respected administrator such as yourself. That sort of thing only leads to wheel wars. However, I would ask that you reconsider this block, or at least the extreme length of this block, given that this user was ''encouraged'' to create the RFA, and received no objections when he spoke of it beforehand, received no warning before being blocked, and got a full week block for something that, according to policy, should only have been 24 hours. Best wishes, <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 18:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC) I am always unwilling to remove the block of a well-respected administrator such as yourself. That sort of thing only leads to wheel wars. However, I would ask that you reconsider this block, or at least the extreme length of this block, given that this user was ''encouraged'' to create the RFA, and received no objections when he spoke of it beforehand, received no warning before being blocked, and got a full week block for something that, according to policy, should only have been 24 hours. Best wishes, <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 18:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

:This is just pathetic. You want the troll? You got him. --] 18:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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I am an administrator on Misplaced Pages. In addition to this talk page and e-mail. you can sometimes reach me on Freenode in #wikipedia as wmarsh.



My adminship is now up

Thanks again so much for nominating me. I've accepted and answered the questions. I'm ready for the ride. :) Cheers! Stevie is the man! 17:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Just curious. Are there any rules or guidelines about informing other users about my admin nomination? I want to make sure anything I do is above board. Thanks! Stevie is the man! 03:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't suggest it, people think of it as campaigning. It's completly okay to put up a notice on your user page, maybe even on your user talk page (not sure about that though) - but it should just mention that you're running, not be a "vote for me!" type thing. Anything further is probably going to be frowned upon. --W.marsh 03:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I just came across this in the Guide for Reviews for Adminship -- My eyeballs must have jumped over that part before. Yeah, I will not do anything that would be seen as campaigning. I did have a funny feeling about it, but I was afraid I would be putting myself at a disadvantage if I didn't do what others might do. Thanks for your help. Stevie is the man! 04:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

New Zealand-Israel relations

I understand that having the template longer than three hours technically violates policy, but I wish you had warned me on my talkpage prior to editing the article. In the future, because I like to use the inuse template, please let me know on my talkpage before you remove the template if I go over 3 hrs. Respectfully, Republitarian 01:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Jerry Taylor article

Hey, I was hoping to get the Jerry Taylor article unprotected so I could turn it into a disambig page. I'm going to create the Jerry Taylor (game designer) article and was hoping to link him from the main Jerry Taylor page. Thanks! --Fxer 03:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Well if he's the only Jerry Taylor the page should probably be moved to Jerry Taylor. At any rate I've deleted the "deleted page" notice so that axes the protection too. --W.marsh 03:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I thought about that, but this Jerry Taylor doesn't show up anywhere near the top of a Google search etc..., there are apparently tons of Jerry Taylor, none of them famous enough to control the "Jerry Taylor" article. I figure we might as well start it as a disambig because it will grow into one from my preliminary research :P --Fxer 03:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe he is the most famous Jerry Taylor, he is #1 in the google search. Apparently he is also director of natural resource studies at the Cato Institute. You learn something new every day! --Fxer 03:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Well I can still do the pagemove if you like (not sure if non-admins can do such a move or not). --W.marsh 03:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
One more thing, do you think you could remove protection from the Jerry Taylor talk page? It is still locked down :) Thanks again! --Fxer 19:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Wangi/RFA

Thanks for your support on my RfA. Give me shout if I can be of help. Thanks/wangi 00:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Removal of "Alhambra High School, Martinez CA

I think you may have deleted my article on Alhambra H.S. in Martinez CA and rerouted it to another article about a different Alhambra High School. These are actually different articles; one school is located in Alhambra CA (southern CA) and the other is in Martinez CA (northern CA). I'm new to wikipedia, so I'm not sure how to repost the article... Can you help me to clear this problem up? Thanks

--Jankynoname 00:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, at a glance they seemed really similar (founded in the same year and so on). I've restored the article and moved it to Alhambra High School (Martinez, California), which is technically more correct name. --W.marsh 00:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jargon of The Rush Limbaugh Show (2 nomination)

I would like to ask you to reconsider your close. I feel strongly that the keeps did not address the question of OR, namely that the information was not derived from reputable sources about Limbaugh's jargon, but rather from listening to the show. Vast majority of keep arguments were of the "show is important" sort, and some of the IP's to whom you've given credit are surely one person. I recognize that there is some worthy material there, as per my nom, but this article is an eyesore. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I will obviously not take this to DRV since your close was quite plausible, so if you refuse, that'll be the end. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, you have something of a point, looking at the sources none really seem to confirm any of the jargon as much as I seem to have thought. Perhaps I should have left it open longer for an admin willing to walk into the buzzsaw of what would have certainly been a highly controversial delete, but it had been open for 11 days (!) already. At this point DRV might actually be a good option... reversing myself at this point would frankly be awkward and probably lead to even more confusion and uncertainty. I am still thinking about it, but a reversal seems unlikely, sorry... it is/was a tough situation. --W.marsh 03:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Ha... What would I ask for at DRV? "ZOMG Rouge Admin refused to perform highly controversial deletion! Overturn and Delete!!1!" ROFL... - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Wealthtrust

Hello, I asked for a review of your close of the WealthTrust article. The review is at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2006 August 21. Cheers, trialsanderrors 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Australian Music Prize

Thanks for capitalising the title of the article - I wanted to do this myself, but wasn't entirely sure how to do so. Cheers Tpth 06:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Brandon Henschel

I've added the link for Melissa Schuman (his wife) to the Brandon Henschel. Please let me know if I did it correctly. Also would be so kind as to remove the 'link' box? (I don't know how to...I'm still new at this) Thanks again for everything.

Tamara

Done. In the future you can feel free to remove the box yourself, FYI. --W.marsh 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Paris Campbell

I see that you just speedy-deleted Paris Campbell. This was a perfectly correct thing to do, but it might have been better to have userfied the article instead. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 02:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Quick Question

I see you are online editing and had a question while looking at new pages because I was unsure what to do. Someone created a page Bill Hasselman which is the incorrect spelling of the name and there is already an article for Bill Haselman. In this case I just put a redirect on the prior article to redirect it to the correct one. Is this what an editor is supposed to do? I guess more of a general question, if someone creates an article that is incorrectly spelled that has content but there is already a correctly spelled article for that subject then what do we do with the new one. I mean if the new article is a very incorrect spelling (like had Hasssssllleman) what do you do? Thanks in advance. DrunkenSmurf 02:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, redirects from plausible typos of pagenames have always been accepted. Implausible typos can generally be deleted. But in this case it seems plausible... so no harm. A redirect takes like... 30 bytes of server space, and they have terabytes to burn, so as they say "Redirects are cheap". There's more at WP:RFD - specifically see "When should we delete a redirect?". --W.marsh 02:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Great, thanks for your help and for pointing me in the right direction. It seemed like the right thing to do but I figured I would make sure in case it came up again. DrunkenSmurf 02:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

GIen's RfA: Thank you!


W.marsh for your Support!
I I feel truly humbled & honored by your support in my RfA, which closed at 90 / 5 / 0. Thank you! If you need me for anything, just say the word. For now however, just like Mr Potter here:
My mop & I shall thwart all evil :)
IThank you once again my friend. GIen

PS: YES YOU'RE RIGHT HARRY POTTER USES A BROOM! (BUT GOOD MOPS ARE HARD TO FIND!!)

Appreciate your support - look forward to working with you!!! - GIen 06:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Two users using templates that belong in articles

User:WIKISCRIPPS 07 and User:Firsfron/TV Markets 2 are two examples of users who are using templates that belong in the main space, and thus these two user pages are showing up in article categories. Is there a normal approach for dealing with this kind of thing? I want to be able to ask them to remove the templates (due to guideline or policy x) or have an admin request them to do so. Please advise. Thanks! Stevie is the man! 01:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, in somewhat similar situations, where people are using a template for decoration or instruction and thus putting a page in a category it shouldn't be in, I've subst'd the template and then removed the category manually. It's a reasonable thing to do, in my opinion, since user pages shouldn't be in most categories. And people get to keep the actual box where they want it. Not really sure what/if there is an official policy, but this seems like a reasonable compromise. --W.marsh 01:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I went ahead and did surgery on the first one, as the template inclusions appeared to be casual, and in the second one, the user appeared to possibly be working on a new page (or at least some kind of serious work), so I just asked them to deal with it one way or another. Stevie is the man! 03:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Childrens' World Magazine

Hi, I believe the name should be Children's World Magazine, with the apostrophe before the s, and not after, like you renamed : Children is already plural. I am not sure how to go back to the original title though. Could you verify and help? Cheers, Sdsouza 10:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Well the original title was a typo. It's at Children's World Magazine which should be correct. --W.marsh 14:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
My mistake. Thanks for the move. Sdsouza 15:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

RFA thanks

File:IMG 3666border cropped.jpg Thanks so much for your support on my RFA, which closed successfully this morning with a result of (64/3/3). I will be stepping lightly at first trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! NawlinWiki 11:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC) talk contribs

Copyvio revisions to remove: Aron Pumnul, etc.

I have edited the articles

so as to remove copyvios. Could you remove the earlier copyvio versions of these articles? --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 21:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. --W.marsh 22:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Enghelab Stadium (Karaj) and Shiroudi Stadium

Hello, do you know how to get rid of the Enghelab stadium redirect to Shiroudi Stadium. This is a mistake as the stadiums are completely different and in diffrerent cities. Shiroudi stadium should be redirected to Shahid Shiroudi stadium, which is just another variation of it's name. I am only asking because I saw you were the last person to edit the page. Thanks.

Nokhodi 18:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you please link to what articles you're referring to, exactly? I am kind of confused. Better yet, just fix whatever... most likely I was trying to fix bad redirects or something. Thanks. --W.marsh 18:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Enghelab Stadium (Karaj). I fixed it though, sorry for the trouble.

Xtreme iTalk

FYI, User:Taylorhewitt, whose vanity page (Talk:Taylor Hewitt) was recently deleted, has once again removed the prod from Xtreme iTalk ... is there some way to protect the main page and still let him make comments for improvement on the discussion page? (I'm too new at this to understand how all of the magicks work.) --Dennette 19:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I know Misplaced Pages is hard to figure out at first. PRODs can be removed by anyone, no problem there, so I've gone ahead and listed it at WP:AFD - and this tag can't be removed by just anyone. The discussion is at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Xtreme iTalk now. If he should remove the AfD tag, it can be put back on, and the page protected if need be. --W.marsh 19:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Rec.sport.football.college

I'd be more than willing to discuss Rec.sport.football.college with you from a few different perspectives. I wrote a decent paper about the group, and as a long time participant in the conversations.

you can send me mail at drjudsjr At verizon dot net. I'd be more than happy to cite reference materials and such as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drjudsjr (talkcontribs)

I'd probably support inclusion, like I said, if an article legimately asserting importance is written, with a source or two. I don't have time to write it right now, but any links to a good source would be appreciated... you can mention them on my user page or by e-mail (click "e-mail this user" on my talk page). Thanks. --W.marsh 19:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Kentucky-stub

71.2.16.16 is continuing to make changes to this stub without any discussion whatsoever. I would prefer not to jump to blocking this user, but if this user can somehow be talked to, I would appreciate it. Or, if blocking would be the right course, I would appreciate that too. Thanks! Stevie is the man! 21:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I've modified it to be consistant with other state stubs. If the guy reverts again without discussing I will report him at WP:3RR I guess. Thanks. --W.marsh 23:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I had changed it at an earlier time to use the state shape, and this anonymous user changed it to the state flag. The reason I want to use the state shape is because the flag is indistinguishable at that size from many other flags, but the state's shape is unmistakable. I don't think consistency is the issue here (unless you can point me to discussion where that was decided), but what Kentuckians want to use. Therefore, this stub's look should be managed by WikiProject Kentucky, as it's now considered to be a part of the project. Stevie is the man! 01:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Trustafarian

Thanks for letting me know. Canderson7 02:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Teke's RfA thanks

Thank you for your support of my RfA, which has passed with a final tally of 76/1/1. With this overwhelming show of support and approval I am honored to serve Misplaced Pages in the task charged to me and as outlined in my nomination. Happy editing to you! Teke 17:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Deleted page

The page is incomplete, please reconsider your deletion. As soon as it is complete the world will see how it asserts the important of individuals in the salt lake valley/

Uh... what page? I'm not a psychic. --W.marsh 22:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

CodeBlack Entertainment talk

Hi; I noticed you were the one who moved the page to the correct capitalisation; do you know what happened to the contents of the talk page? Did they fail to get moved? Or did they somehow disappear before that? Anchoress 08:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Apparently the talk page was deleted before I made the move. is where the deleted comments are. Do you want me to move them to the new page (requires a history merge)? --W.marsh 14:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Gee that's really strange. Is there any way of figuring out why that happened or who did it? I guess it doesn't really matter, I don't think I said anything profound, but I was just curious. Thanks for checking anyways, don't bother merging. Cheers, Anchoress 03:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

George Steinbrenner

To save you time and effort, you might want to find a source saying $1.7 Million for the List of Major League Baseball principal owners. Kingjeff 16:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

How would that save me time and effort? It sounds like it would involve about the opposite. --W.marsh 16:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a choice of you wanting to change it a billion times or finding something to back up your claim just once. Someone will always find a reason to change it back to $10 Million. I'm not trying to be critical or anything. I'm just trying to help you avoid those assholes who complain about every little thing. Kingjeff 16:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Comair Flight 5191

Thanks for the note. It supremely bothers me when people add in ridiculous links, especially to websites like that.

I should really establish an account... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.217.154 (talkcontribs)

Chilkur Balaji

Hi, you've tagged the above as a copyvio from http://experts.about.com/e/c/ch/Chilkur_Balaji.htm. However this site is a part-WP mirror and mentions it at the end of the page along with GFDL attribution. Pl. be careful in future and check if a site is WP mirror. btw, I did a bit more investigation and found that the article is indeed a copyvio from another URL, http://www.chilkurbalaji.org/History.htm. I've changed the URL accordingly on the copyvio listing and the article page. Interestingly, this article has been deleted thrice previously, twice as copyvios. I'd probly be writing a copyviofree version in the next couple of weeks. --Gurubrahma 06:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I tag hundreds of articles as copyvios... I am careful. Mistakes happen. Thanks for fixing this. --W.marsh 14:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

bot update

Hi, can you update your bot so it uses the new format of by-date templates, as they now have optional parameters, e.g. {{Wikify|September 2006}} rather than {{Wikify-date|September 2006}}, though the old ones do still work. Also, it's best to update all the by-date tags at once (as AWB does automatically), this saves editting each article multiple times to update each by-date template. thanks in advance. Martin 19:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I will use the new format from now on. But I'm a bit confused as to what you mean by "it's best to update all the by-date tags at once". Is this something I'm not doing, but should? I'm using AWB so if it does that automatically, it should be doing it, right? --W.marsh 23:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Ahh, that did't quite make sense did it ;-), what I meant was that when an article has, for example, {{cleanup}} and {{wikify}} it's good to change them both at once, as I've noticed a few bots don't, and go through making multiple edits to each article to change each template individually. AWB does this in the "Auto tag" feature in the newest version. thanks Martin 23:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Your block of Masssiveego

Hi W.Marsh,

Regarding your re-block of user:Masssiveego. You're a good user, and a good administrator. I feel, however, that you have overlooked some important things regarding the incident.

First off, there was apparently no warning for this block. here is the block message only. We're supposed to warn users before blocking them, aren't we? There was no warning. Even random IP vandals get a warning.

Second, according to WP:BLOCK, "Disruption — For dynamic IPs, such blocks should last 24 hours. For static IPs and user names, such blocks should initially last 24 hours, but repeat violators may be blocked for increasing lengths of time." Since his block log shows nothing prior, I'm assuming he hasn't been blocked before. Therefore, isn't a 168 hour block somewhat excessive for the first block? A friend of mine, who will remain nameless, made some personal attacks and caused quite a bit of disruption, but because he was a long-time editor, he received a 12 hour block. 168 hours is considerably longer than that. Furthermore, when you re-instated the block, you didn't subtract the original time he'd been blocked, meaning he will actually be blocked for about 176 hours.

Also, here you state:

Uh, I didn't know he was talking about doing it, so the accusation that I waited until it happened is just untrue. I don't see every edit on Misplaced Pages... I can only respond to what I do see, when I see it. If someone does something bad, the fact that they quietly talked about it somewhere a week ago and no one objected is absolutely not a "get out of jail free" card. That's just not how things operate.

In fact, he talked about it just yesterday, not in some obscure place, but right on the RFA talk page, in this thread, which you presumably read, since you replied to it. I am not saying you purposely waited for him to create the RFA; I'm stating he made his intentions known, in a very public area, and wasn't discouraged from starting his RFA.

I am always unwilling to remove the block of a well-respected administrator such as yourself. That sort of thing only leads to wheel wars. However, I would ask that you reconsider this block, or at least the extreme length of this block, given that this user was encouraged to create the RFA, and received no objections when he spoke of it beforehand, received no warning before being blocked, and got a full week block for something that, according to policy, should only have been 24 hours. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 18:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

This is just pathetic. You want the troll? You got him. --W.marsh 18:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
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