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Thanks for the note. Points taken, but I'm not getting articles written that I'd like to write because I'm forever trying to "save" bad articles. (For example, I spent roughly 7 hours working on Billy Brandt yesterday because the article lacked any substantial references and most likely was in danger of being nominated for deletion.) The only reason I knew about these short "less-than-stubs" (in my opinion) articles was that they were being wikilinked to pages that I monitor fairly closely (although I found a few other edits that needed to be made when I was reverting the links). Regardless of the potential for the article, nothing that short should be posted in the namespace, that's what sandboxes are for. This just encourages the "shotgun" method of article creation: start a bunch of stubs and then never do any further work on them, leave all the research to someone else. I don't think that's right. I see that some of the speedy nom's were deleted, some nominated for deletion. If the administrator reviewing the speedy tag disagrees with my placing it, they have the authority to change the tag. Thanks.—Chidom   18:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Las películas de mi vida

I received your message. I'm busy right now, so it might be a few days, but I will begin soon. I'll include a synopsis, a section on themes, and a section on reviews with footnotes. Havardj Jack 21:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Jennifer Tinney

Just to let you know, here are some links to deletion logs for her pages, there has been a user (who is currently banned) who keeps adding info and copyrighted pictures of WWE Diva Search contestants.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&page=J.T%20Tinney
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=J.T.+Tinney
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=Jennifer+Tinney

And many times, they have been deleted, so this page should not only be deleted, but protected from recreation. I hope you understand why I am putting the tag up and will put a different one up shortly. Renosecond 03:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think she really has a lot of notability just yet, she was a contestant for a few weeks on the WWE Diva Search but that's just a hard sell. Actually, a few of the other contestants have had pages speedied and then be protected from recreation. And the user who keeps creating the pages does them at a poor quality and is quite stubborn and incomprehensible. And this user is also currently under a block for ignoring warnings about photos. Renosecond 03:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Theodore Hanulak

Hi: I put the non-noteable delete tag on the Theodore Hanulak page. I'm fine either way but the Aikido Journal entry you put in is a profile that members put up of themselves and of course the other is his dojo website. Lots of people in the world, myself included, run dojos. Quite a few found their own styles for marketing purposes and join like minded groups. Again - I'll leave it alone but in my opinion running a dojo is not noteable. Cheers.Peter Rehse 03:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)PS. I did some further checking and there has been discussion on e-budo (a martial art forum) among quite well known martial artists questioning the background.

Marion Cohen

She's back. You were right there is a claim to notability there. Got to stop the speedy deletes when I'm tired. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Johannes Mannov

Hi. What I was mainly put off by was that it seemed to be created by the person himself. Also, the Google output was very sparse with useful links. But I agree with the keep as it is. Cheers, Hestemand 08:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Julie Gould

In reference to your edit "(removed CSD. Notable.)" - the CSD was for a blatant copyvio, not on the basis of notability. That's why I used "db-copyvio" not "db-bio". We still have copyright violations in the article history, it would've been better for the article to have been deleted and started from scratch. exolon 10:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you. My worry was that the article might be deleted without someone starting over. Perhaps I should have renamed the copyvio file to a name like User:TruthbringerToronto/BadFileDeleteThis (and then ask for that file to be deleted) and then edited the redirect file that moving would have created at Julie Gould. I'm not an admin, so I couldn't delete the bad file myself and then start over. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 10:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your action on Cyprus. In this case I cannot take action against vandalism since I am the creator of the pages. Therefore it is inappropriate to use my adminship in this case. But if you can act, it would please me. Electionworld Talk? 10:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• I am not an admin. See my unsuccessful bid at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/TruthbringerToronto. But other admins would probably be willing to take action. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 11:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Julie Gould

Hi, just a minor point... when you rewrite a copyvio article (thanks, by the way) we still need to remove the copyvio versions from the page history. Any admin will be able to do this if asked (I've already done it in this case) but it's still important that it gets done. Thanks. --W.marsh 20:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Have you ever, in your entire life, voted to delete anything? This is simply ludicrous. -- Kicking222 12:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Yes. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 17:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Marion Cohen

I'm relisting this on procedural grounds as the original AfD was closed early. Espresso Addict 03:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Updated Mario Cohen article

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for your updates to the Marion Cohen article. Based on your updates, I've changed my opinion from delete to keep. Nice work. Brian 19:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)btball

Re: Copyvios

Done. --W.marsh 22:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Rise Records

Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I sent a message to the user who proposed it for deletion and have since added to the article. Although the article is small (and I agree lacking), the subject is large enough to deserve an article and I will work to bring it up to Misplaced Pages standards. Dark jedi requiem 02:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Kayah (singer)

Thank you for saving the stub on Kayah, the Polish singer, from deletion (I'm new to creating pages). However, it looks like someone with more authority than me has erased the additon I made to the Kayah disambiguation page for her. Do you think it would be okay to add it back to that page? Or is it better if you did it as I am fairly new. Thanks. Banzaiboy 07:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• I fixed it. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 18:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

patrick

thanks for the editing help, using a german keyboard so not sure where all the characters are. Patrick lee-thorp 21:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your welcome edits and addition to sources on my article. I will clearly have to rework it with my own sources. I do appreciate your help in this matter. M. I. Pirie

Notability of parks

Regarding your statement that 'most parks are notable'. I can't find any policy, guideline or precedent that says so. Can you point me to the page I'm overlooking? Valrith 03:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• I was making a general observation rather than quoting policy. In general, a quick Google search ought to turn up some evidence of notability for most parks, particularly national or state/provincial ones, even if no such references are listed in the article. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Userfication

I didn't know you could userfy articles - just read about it at WP:UFY. Will keep that in mind for the future. Thanks for the tip :-) --Casper2k3 06:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Misleading edit summary?

Hi, you used (Removed CSD. Article asserts notability.) as an edit summary on an article I speedied as a copyvio. That might give the impression that I mistakenly speedied an article under a notability criteria. Perhaps you could use something like (Removed CSD. Article rewritten to avoid copyvio) or something similar instead? Thanks. exolon 12:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• You're quite right. Remember, by the way, that only certain categories of copyvio can be speeded. If it is not from a commercial site (one that makes money of the content), then use {{subst:copyvio}} rather than {{subst:nn-copyvio}}. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 13:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:SPEEDY does not say "makes money of the content". It just says, "Material is unquestionably copied from the website of a commercial content provider (e.g. encyclopedia, news service)". This is ambivalent in its wording. I argue that most sites suffer commercially from content being used elsewhere, as it reduces their value of their site, leading to less traffic etc. Anyway. Tyrenius 06:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Shane Easson

Thank you for your message about this political figure. He has some notability mainly in relation to Collex and the redistibution in NSW. His brother is notable enough but there are only a few returns on a media database. The article currently reflects the extent of the verifiable information. He might be worth a mention in an article on Michael Easson his brother as most of his notability is derived from that connection. Capitalistroadster 05:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD

You might like to cast your eye over this one, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/DeBarra Mayo, and use your skills on the article, which I have done a quick overall edit on, but it could do with more attention. I deleted long lists of things, but there might be something retrievable in them. Tyrenius 06:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a category, but the article seems to be in pretty good shape. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 06:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. I found some stuff for minor cleanup, but it does seem to work now. Tyrenius 09:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For good work on AfD, going beyond the obvious and saving articles. Tyrenius 06:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Lejeune High School

Thanks for your message. I will have to fish out my old yearbooks to see if there is anything wiki-worthy to add to the article. It's been eight years (almost) since I was last there, so most of the info I still have is really dated. - Thanks, Hoshie 10:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Caoilfhionn Nic Pháidín

Curses, it looks as though you have foiled my evil schemes on Misplaced Pages's Articles For Deletion once again.

Thanks for the reminder. I think that it's good that you seem always willing to take a second look at the stuff on afd, even though I find myself sometimes nonplussed by your outlook on what I see as some of wikipedia's less-than-wonderful articles. Pathlessdesert 12:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for your message. I think that part of my role is to be a good example so that people will be reminded that there are often better ways of dealing with a problem article than simply deleting it. Of course, there are still many articles that are unsalvageable, as I am reminded every time I visit Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 14:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Camp Horseshoe

Hi, TruthbringerToronto. You might want to take another look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Camp Horseshoe where you suggested the article should be kept per the argument of W.Marsh. Unfortunately it turned out that the two sources that W.Marsh had found related to a different Camp Horseshoe. Best, Gwernol 12:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• You're right. I changed my vote from Keep to Neutral. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 14:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Coimisiún na Gaeltachta

Hi, I've expanded the article a bit. Dlyons493 Talk 13:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Good work. Thank you very much. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 14:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Brick & Lace

But, they haven't released an album yet, and there's no indication of a tour. User:Zoe|(talk) 01:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Israel Union for Environmental Defense

On May 20 you created the Israel Union for Environmental Defense. Today I expanded it a little. Hope you like my changes, Ya ya ya ya ya ya 02:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, I do. Thank you very much. I think that there is an article on the group in the Hebrew Misplaced Pages, which you might also want to expand. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 02:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Elijah Moore

The link requires a log in and so isn't really much good as proving notability. So I restored, tidy and prodded at the same time. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks. I will see what I can do with it. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 04:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Odd PROD edit tag?

I noticed in your edit comments on R. Joe Brandon that you removed the PROD tag. But it's still there in the article. Did you want to remove it? The argument in your edit tag for removal seemed reasonable, IMHO. Maury 16:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for pointing that out. I have now removed the prod. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 00:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, out of curiosity, why is your name "TruthbringerToronto" if you're in Montreal? Former Torontonian that escaped perhaps? Maury 16:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• No, former Montrealer living in Toronto and going back to Montreal fairly frequently. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 00:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

OWMC

mmm... Sorry. Can't help you there. Never heard of it. -Zer0fighta 03:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Will you please look at this...

About the school distract I deleted... I did not see an assertion of the subjects importance. I would read WP:SCHOOLS and if you think that the article should still be there, feel free to create the page agian. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I am inclined to undelete this article to a user subpage for you. I am warning you the article as it is (deleted, is not the best of prose... and does not assert the importance of the school distract very well) If you want me to undelete to one of your user sub-pages for you, tell me where you want it undeleted to. If you plan on fixing the article from its current state... you have some work on your hands :). Thanks for your interest! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, undeleted to User:TruthbringerToronto/West Burlington Independent School District. I wish you good luck with this, as it needs some serious work before being placed into mainspace. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Echilamvayal

Echilamvayal It is a local community; It looks vanity to me. Of course i can withdraw Afd nomination if appreciate. User:Yy-bo 22:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ....

...for your Chasseguet-Smirgel help! Billbrock 23:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: The Arms of Jesus Children's Mission

You deleted The Arms of Jesus Children's Mission, which was just a stub. I had tried to add a hangon message so that I could add the references that I found at http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Arms+of+Jesus+Children's+Mission%22

The Canada Revenue Agency web site confirms that this is a registered charity with business number 128201845RR0001. If you think that the article could be expanded into a useful one, could you please restore it? --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 01:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The only content there was an external link to the mission's site, and the talk page's content was an attempt to contact the mission. This made them deletable under the third speedy deletion criterion for articles. Checking the history now, I see that you edited the page only seconds before I deleted it, apologies. If you can write a valid article on the subject, feel free to do so, simply by creating a new article; if you really need the previous edits then I can restore them. --bainer (talk) 01:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Edits to Paxus Calta Entry

i want to request your patience in advance, i have read some of the wikipedia intro material, but not all of it. On Aug 30th you edited the entry on me with (removed CSD. Article asserts notability.) did the previous editor who worked the day before (who i believe was not signed in) delete the entire article and you replaced it ? if so, thx, if not plz explain to me what it is that they actually did and you appear to have reversed (if i am understanding this correctly). And just out of curiousity, how was it that you were looking at this page so quickly after this deletion? Thx for all your quite eclectic work for this important information source. Paxus Calta

Benjamin Lee (physicist)

Can you help me make a correction. I tried to move Benjamin Lee (physicist) to his correct name, Benjamin W. Lee--but couldn't do it. WP informed me that I'm to seek the help of an Administrator. Are you one? And can you help?

Thanks, Ludvikus 08:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• I am not an administrator, but I asked one for help, and the article has now been moved as you suggested. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 12:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

String Theory (band)

I see you've removed the {{db-band}} tag I put on this article. I added this because I can see no evidence of notability in the article. However I do admit I know nothing at all about the band. Can you say whether it is notable or not? If not, I shall put it up for AFD. — Tivedshambo (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• At the time I removed the tag, I thought that the band's multiple records and multiple reviews were enough to establish notability, but perhaps the record labels aren't important enough and the reviews are too brief to prove notability. I won't be upset if the article is deleted, but I think on balance that the band is notable. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 01:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe that this particular article does not warrant a db, but instead might warrant review under AfD. Kukini 02:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Robert William Lawrence

Please consider adding some verifying information to the article, such as references and external links. This would greatly help the cause of keeping the article. Kukini 02:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• I have now done so. Thank you for mentioning it. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 04:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Akhtar Munir Marwat

Your vote of "Keep" on the pretext that the title of an Additional Secreatry in Pakistan might either be equivalent to an "undersecretary" or "associate deputy minister" is way out of proportion. There is absolutely no comparision. Being a Pakistani myself, I can assure you that an Additional Secretary is just a senior middle level management position in the Civil Bureaucracy of Pakistan. It has got nothing to do with political positions. I think roughly there might be more than 250 persons working at the similar positions for the Government of Pakistan either in various ministries or its divisions or in government corporations. You can check the same at http://www.pakistan.gov.pk/ . Marwatt 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your note. I am sorry about the confusion; I guess I don't understand Pakistan civil service ranks. Even if his position is not inherently notable, he may have been the subject of independent news coverage which doesn't show up on an English-language Google search, or he may have written a book which doesn't show up on an English-language Google search. If you could check the catalogue of Pakistan's national library or of a major university library in Pakistan to see if he is a published author, that would be helpful. If you can't find anything, then that is worth mentioning as well.
• Please consider adding biographies for high-ranking civil servants who are unambiguously notable. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Sure , I'll do that but rest assure that this man has nothing to his credit, no books, nothing else published.Marwatt 10:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Voice of the People and Grammar for Everyone

I couldn't find these books at the Library of Congress catalog at http://catalog.loc.gov/ If you would like to donate copies to the Library of Congress, please see http://www.loc.gov/acq/donatex.html You may want to add bibliographic information about these books and the awards they won to the article. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 14:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: Both books were published by a small company in Prince William County, Virginia, and they are on the shelves of all public libraries in the county . The library's web page and catalog are on the Internet. The Grammar for Everyone was written by Mr. Jacobsen under a grant administered by the Northern Virginia Community College. The awards were local and limited to adjunct faculty at the school. Books are in limited distribution, and they have not been submitted to the Library of Congress . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary Jacobsen (talk • contribs) 16:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you. This is why I encourage small publishers to submit their books to the Library of Congress. It makes the books easier to find and easier to verify. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 16:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Isabel Vincent

Thanks for adding extra info to the article on Isabel Vincent. I'd be grateful for a chance to discuss the change offline -- you can send me email at .@gmail.com if you're comfortable David 00:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC) (David Megginson)