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List of sovereign states and dependencies by area

Hello. Read the official area of China and United States in United Nations. It is OFFICIAL area, not Encyclopedia Britannica or CIA World Factbook. USA: 9,833,517 sq km (3rd place) and China 9,596,961 sq km (4th place). You can fix the article. Thanks. Cgx8253. 8/13/2016.

A kitten for you!

Thanks

Stifan (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Iryna I completely understand you got rid of my addition of famous Ukrainian-Australians but just wanted to add someone from the Bachelor who i thought showed Ukraine beauty and elegance. Her name is Olena Khamula and if you dont mind could you add her with a ciatation. Thank you so much for your dedication and work on looking after the Ukrainian pages and all of that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.164.156.203 (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Abkhazia redux

New Wine into Old Wineskins. Favonian (talk) 15:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Favonian: I nearly got caught out ready to flap my jowls. Let old bladders lie. Given a little time, the rancidity factor'll deflate 'em naturally. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Talk:Abkhazia.The discussion is about the topic Talk:Abkhazia. Thank you.Lurking shadow (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Gogol

Thanks, I've requested a "Move" on the file to get F.Moller out of the title so no one else will be fooled! WQUlrich (talk) 18:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@WQUlrich: My concern was with it not being reliably sourced. Sources have been produced, so I'm fine with it. Thanks for the hard work you put into chasing it up. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I Was Contributing to and Continuing the Existing Discussion

There was a discussion on whether a person born in Ukraine should be considered Ukrainian. I decided to contribute an example of a Jewish person whose parents, though born in Kiev, considered themselves Russian and not Ukrainian. My personal interest in the topic is that, although my mother and I were born in the United States, she and her ancestors were Ukrainian.John Paul Parks (talk) 07:02, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, John Paul Parks. I realise that it can be tempting to make comments about a subject that is of personal interest, but Misplaced Pages talk pages are for discussing the actual content of the article and providing reliable sources to back content up. I did understand that you intended no harm, but Misplaced Pages deals with a lot of sensitive issues, and you'd probably be shocked to know just how many trolls are out there ready to turn talk pages surrounding the subject of anti-semitism, anything to do with Eastern Europe, etc. into a forum-fest. The key to avoiding massive disruptions to pages is "Don't feed the trolls". I'd usually overlook generic off-topic comments, but I have enough experience to know what's potentially going to act as bait. Please don't misunderstand this as being intended as a personal affront, and happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

About WP:RS

Hello User:Iryna Harpy. I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I know that Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. However can I use Wikisource (which is a different Wikimedia project) as a source? Thanks! Gerard von Hebel 14:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Hebel. Wikisource can be used for primary source material where there is relevant information for content already supported by secondary reliable sources. Although, as you know, it's preferable not to use primary sources, there are also documents there which are secondary by nature. As an example, take a look at the No Gun Ri massacre in the 'Background' section. Citation 3 uses the "U.S. Department of the Army No Gun Ri Review Report". The entire document is referenced multiple times. Hope this helps! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Iryna for your information. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:02, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Iryna, sorry to bother you with another query. Would a government website in your opinion be a primary source? Gerard von Hebel (talk) 04:33, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Hebel: It's not a bother, plus it's an excellent question. From my experience, and for the purposes of Misplaced Pages, it's dependent on what sort of information is being presented. We can use primary sources for census data, constitutional, legal and other such material. It's preferable that it be tempered by secondary sources if there is anything disputed about the information. It's also dependent on whether it's that government's position about a war (i.e., the RF's or the USA's position as to what is going on). Context and COMMONSENSE should be the best indicators as to whether it's just that government's position, but is disputed by other reliable sources. Could you provide the context and the information you have in mind? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

My editing

That guy does follow my edits, and not only him. What should be done about it? Well, in my case, I simply should not edit here. This is waste of time. The only reason I am still here is my addiction. I would ask an admin to block my account, but it was nasty when I did it last time (an innocent contributor was blamed to be my sockpuppet account, etc.). So, I would rather Just Say No at some point. Thank you. My very best wishes (talk) 13:02, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

@My very best wishes: I was in a position of having my hand forced as a matter of AGF in apologising to the user, but that doesn't mean that I truly believed this editor didn't follow you around, nor have I changed my mind about believing them to be a sock. The problem is that the burden is on us to establish who he's a sock of (I have my suspicions). I'm equally frustrated at being unable to stop someone who had already honed their knowledge of policy and guidelines, and has become an expert at gaming the system. We know that without any apparent negative record, as compared to users like ourselves who already have an easy history to track and use against us, it feels like a no win situation. My position remains the same: I can't sit back and watch them rewrite history by using articles as coat racks. I truly wish that I could just say no, but I'm far too determined (read as pig-headed) to be able to do so. My heartfelt sympathy/empathy goes out to you. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! We had some disagreements, but it was pleasure interacting with you. One important factor for me to consider is that my account is not really anonymous. That might be fine, but there are some new laws in Russia that create potential problems. My very best wishes (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, of course! Well, our disagreements were always as they should be: about content, and most certainly not personalised in any shape or form. I have great respect for you, and I hope you can keep contributing in some capacity. I'll be sorry to see you go. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:56, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

That does not look good. Note that the user does not hide where his IP came from (geographically). Well, not editing here for a while is actually a good thing. My very best wishes (talk) 02:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

It has escalated from feeling personalised towards you since July to very, very uncomfortably personalised. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

• The pair of you might at least want to notify me of what appears to be a long-term collective oppo-research project (wp: harassment in other words). Your aspersions are beneath comment and hypocritical beyond belief, so I won't argue the case, but at least I now understand some of the reasons for your interest in Talk:The Black Book of Communism and associated disruptive editing. I also see why it has been next to impossible to remove the crap on Coplon from Holodomor denial. Its personal for both of you, got it. Guccisamsclub (talk) 10:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

As of now, G. reverted every single edit by me on this page. Why? His arguments are bizzar in response to comments that are clear and standard . I think this is either a case of "I do not hear" or possibly something else, given that the user followed my edits on a number of pages. My very best wishes (talk) 12:44, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

No, Guccisamsclub, there is no 'long term oppo research' going on here. Neither MVBW nor I have actually discussed your editing until this section was started. Everything to be seen is available here, or on various article talk pages. I'm afraid I can't help it if I think there's been something a little too specialised and precise about your interests and editing behaviour since you started in earnest earlier this year. You do actually remind me at least one blocked editor, but I'm not pursuing it because I've never been that concerned about good editors/editors who know their stuff re-emerging unless they start up with the type of really disruptive editing behaviour that got them blocked in the first place. Whatever the situation, my only gripe is that I'm finding you annoying (and missing some obvious points in your arguments), just as you're finding both MVBW and myself annoying (and missing some obvious points in our arguments). In fact MVBW and I have had really, really, really lengthy discussions where we disagreed with each other and tried to explain the obvious points being missed in our arguments the other was missing. These things happen on a regular basis on Misplaced Pages, and I'd hate to think that there are any editors who always - and invariably - agree with each other about everything. I have to confess that my health has been shabby for a while, so I don't have the energy to formulate arguments with the precision I'm capable of. Whatever happens, hopefully the end result will be that at least one shabbily written article will end up a better article for the discussion (even if we're all run ragged by the end of the process), or that the next lot of editors to tackle it will be able to better identify the problems in the presentation of content. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:14, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

To be honest here, I do not really care that much about these subjects (Holodomor, Black book, etc.). I simply tried to improve them as pages on any other subjects (biology, literature, whatever). If I had more time and a really anonymous account (unfortunately, this is not the case), I would edit subjects related to modern Russian politics. My very best wishes (talk) 14:28, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Reason for revert

Iryna Harpy: I need to know why you reverted my edit on AG article today. Diranakir (talk) 02:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

It has been explained to you over and over on the article's talk page. I have now explained it again on the talk page of the article. Please stop pestering me incessantly on my own talk about a consensus (and self-evident to boot) decision made months ago. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:13, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Holodmor edits / dodgy sources

I have brought up the discussion of why Robert Conquest material should not be treated with skepticism on wikipedia articles relating to Soviet history. Not only was he a member of a branch of the British secret service dedicated to spreading disinformation, but he is a fraud who mislabelled photographs taken from Russian in the 1920s and relabelled them as Ukraine in the 1930s. Like I have already said on the Holodmor wiki page, Imagine if a Japanese historian took photographs of Pearl Harbour and relabelled them as Hiroshima, we would rightfully label this historian as a fraud. So why don't we apply the same standards to historians who are highly critical of the Soviet Union? His book The Harvest of Sorrow contains excerpts from the Chicago American, a newspaper owned by fascist media giant William Randolph Hearst (a personal friend of Hitler) which was infamous for spreading open lies about the Soviet Union. It may be difficult but if we believe that frauds should not be tolerated than we should think twice before citing him Office worm (talk) 23:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Use the article's talk page, not mine. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I wonder what story was behind this. Which alternative accounts? Ah, I see: all three accounts edit war to include this "info" on the page. My very best wishes (talk) 02:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. I don't think it's a coincidence that there's been quite a resurgence in activity surrounding all things Holodomor-related over the last month or so... and, strangely enough, involving accounts that haven't been used for quite some time. Something smells very sleeper-ish. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit on White Russia + All Russian Nation

Hi Iryna. You haven't answered on the information which I have send. Please look to article on White Russia and All Russian Nation. I'm adding articles on the talk pages now before making any edits. Thank you. (talk) 19:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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