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| Are you not aware that someone could reasonably disagree with any move of any article to an unnecessarily disambiguated title, like your recent move of ]? If you don't understand why ''any'' such move is potentially controversial, you need to pay better attention. I'll explain. If you move an article that is at its plain name (like ''']''') to a disambiguated title just so you can create a dab page at the plain name listing supposed other uses, none of which are actually referred to by just the plain name in reliable sources, that's a potentially controversial move because the original topic is likely considered the ] for that title. So, in such a case, you need to create that dab page at '''Name (disambiguation)''', and then go through RM to request the moves. Don't do it unilaterally. From now on I'll assume you know such a move is potentially controversial and you need to go through RM. See also: ] --] ] 05:35, 17 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
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Joan Baez's "Night They Drove Dixie Down"
I know it's been three years since you made this edit, but can you track down the source and complete the sentence? At the moment the quote just suddenly stops at "but it made". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:52, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Horseplay (band)
You removed the prod tag from this page without comment; would you care to explain on the deletion page how it meets WP:BAND? —swpb 18:06, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Good Times! (The Monkees album)
I really don't think many people agree with your policy on moving pages, if the amount of reverts of your moves over the years I've seen are anything to go by. Unless you can cite Misplaced Pages policies for why you move things, then it just seems to be your own personal preference. You moved Good Times! to Good Times! (The Monkees album) based on what? The fact that a 2009 non-notable autobiography exists under that title? Pages are moved by administrators (whose opinions I trust over users') at WP:RM/TR all the time because the less-disambiguated namespaces that have alternate meanings "are unlikely to be created , if at all" (that's what the admin Anthony Appleyard (talk · contribs) uses in his edit summaries a lot). Considering I don't see Good Times! being created for a seven-year-old autobiography any time soon, it doesn't need to be redirected to a more-disambiguated title for no specified reason. Ss112 23:33, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- Also, the existence of punctuation sufficiently disambiguates the title from other albums named "Good Times" that don't share the use of an exclamation mark in the title. Ss112 23:37, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- The same goes for Kingsized (Dressy Bessy album). Is there even another thing titled Kingsized? Another album titled Kingsized? You immediately jumped to disambiguating by name and album. There's no grounds or reasons for moves like these. Ss112 23:57, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- Copy of a message sent to Anthony Appleyard on this subject: "Hi, just wanted to ask you since you're an administrator who moves pages to requested namespaces quite a lot: In ictu oculi (talk · contribs) reverted my months-old move of the Monkees album Good Times! to the disambiguated namespace Good Times! (The Monkees album), which I then undid citing your reasoning that the original title is unlikely to be created for anything else, if at all. Is this Misplaced Pages policy itself, is it based on WP:Notability, or is it just up to other users' personal preference whether they choose to disambiguate something unnecessarily? In ictu oculi and several other users seem to unnecessarily move pages because they think that punctuation isn't enough to separate the title from similar titles without the punctuation (in this instance, other albums with the title Good Times). Ss112 23:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry to User:Ss112, but I do not remember ever using the literal text "are unlikely to be created , if at all" in an edit summary. In my opinion, stray ornamental punctuation is not an adequate disambiguation; many people look for something whose name they remember or heard, rather than something whose name they have in print in front of them, and stray ornamental punctuation or other stylizing is likely to be forgotten or not known. About "Kingsized", I have seen or heard the word "kingsized" many times, often in advertisements for goods. Some may say that ambiguity between two items with very similar names is ambiguity, even if one of them is not described in Misplaced Pages. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:19, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Anthony Appleyard: Sorry, upon further inspection, it was SNUGGUMS who requested a move for Joanne (album) that you performed at WP:RM/TR, and said "No other album under this title warrants an article or is likely to anytime soon if at all". If that reasoning wasn't sound—as there are other albums titled "Joanne"—the move shouldn't have been performed, should it? Also, kingsized wasn't disambiguated to the actual size of an item—IIO merely redirected it to the more disambiguated namespace. That's pointless. If there was a concern that it meant kingsize, which has an article, then it should have been redirected there. As for Good Times!, as that is the correct namespace for the album, Good Times! (The Monkees album) redirects there, so anybody looking for the Monkees' album will then see with the exclamation mark is correct. There is no point moving and then redirecting the previous namespace of an album title, as if ambiguity exists over the previous namespace, then something should have been done with the previous namespace besides redirecting to the x ( album) title. Ss112 05:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- This is about far more than the two I've listed here. As I pointed out, over the years I have seen IIO move hundreds of pages that have not needed to be moved at all, considering there would be very little ambiguity or confusion with quite unique namespaces, and if there was, it could surely be fixed with a hatnote or some other small feature. Besides, in one of these instances, why the jump from Kingsized to Kingsized (Dressy Bessy album)? Why not Kingsized (album)? Why not Good Times! (album), as there is no other album listed on Misplaced Pages as Good Times!? Ss112 05:29, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- By all means those should be just (album). I hadn't finished. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:51, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- "I hadn't finished" – you did plenty of things after moving Good Times! I don't know what that even means. You were going to create another redirect? Also, your talk page message to me, "Is this album in any way notable"? Firstly, please keep the discussion here and just ping me. Secondly, if it wasn't, why bother moving it at all? You must be assuming I care about it more than moving it to a namespace where no other notable thing exists. Ss112 07:23, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Because "no other notable thing exists" isn't correct is it? The album isn't notable; tt probably needs a prod on it. Misplaced Pages already contains other content for "Kingsized", quite apart from the basic meaning, beds. Really discussion needs to be on Talk:Kingsized. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- This was one example of a few of hundreds of unnecessary redirects you've made over the years. My message wasn't concerning whether the album is notable or not. Personally, and many other Misplaced Pages editors appear to agree, hence Joanne (album) being moved by AA and many other things requested at places like WP:RM/TR, is that if no other thing has an article or it is unlikely to be created, then there is no point unnecessarily disambiguating. If somebody else creates something under a very similar namespace, then the discussion/moves can be made. Until then, linking things like Good Times! to Good Times! (The Monkees album) when no other album exists with the punctuation intact is unnecessary. Ss112 07:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Can you please stop moving things to my talk page based on moves you're quoting to me? Thanks. Also, I don't see why I would have to discuss moves you have the issue with (and clearly nobody else since June has had an issue with). You should have taken it to the talk page before moving it again. Ss112 07:36, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you removed (The Monkees album) from the album, and I reverted you, I have cited Rolling Stone on the article talk page. The conversation should be there Talk:Good Times!. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:40, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, and I just said, nobody else since June had an issue with the title being changed. I didn't have an "issue" per se, I saw nothing else was at Good Times! and thought an editor had unnecessarily disambiguated. You reverted, hence why I thought you "reverting" again should have been discussed. If you are implying I should have discussed this months ago, I see you hardly ever discuss moves you make, by moving albums to x ( album), so I don't see that I should have been required to if you don't feel you are. To avoid a subsequent potential move war, after the initial move, it should then be discussed on the talk page. As I specified, the main point of this discussion or whatever it is is not this or the Kingsized example. it is one of many examples of unnecessary disambiguations you have made over the years, from what I have seen. Ss112 07:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well your undiscussed move stands, you reverted my revert, and I'm graciously letting it be, so what is the problem? Please discuss on the article itself so that history related to the article stays in one place. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- I have said this four or five times now, this isn't about one or two particular examples. I don't understand your reasoning for moving many things. Again, from what I have seen from glancing at your contributions, you hardly ever discuss moving things, so again, I don't see why this particular example would have required me to in June. Ss112 07:58, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well your undiscussed move stands, you reverted my revert, and I'm graciously letting it be, so what is the problem? Please discuss on the article itself so that history related to the article stays in one place. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, and I just said, nobody else since June had an issue with the title being changed. I didn't have an "issue" per se, I saw nothing else was at Good Times! and thought an editor had unnecessarily disambiguated. You reverted, hence why I thought you "reverting" again should have been discussed. If you are implying I should have discussed this months ago, I see you hardly ever discuss moves you make, by moving albums to x ( album), so I don't see that I should have been required to if you don't feel you are. To avoid a subsequent potential move war, after the initial move, it should then be discussed on the talk page. As I specified, the main point of this discussion or whatever it is is not this or the Kingsized example. it is one of many examples of unnecessary disambiguations you have made over the years, from what I have seen. Ss112 07:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you removed (The Monkees album) from the album, and I reverted you, I have cited Rolling Stone on the article talk page. The conversation should be there Talk:Good Times!. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:40, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Can you please stop moving things to my talk page based on moves you're quoting to me? Thanks. Also, I don't see why I would have to discuss moves you have the issue with (and clearly nobody else since June has had an issue with). You should have taken it to the talk page before moving it again. Ss112 07:36, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- This was one example of a few of hundreds of unnecessary redirects you've made over the years. My message wasn't concerning whether the album is notable or not. Personally, and many other Misplaced Pages editors appear to agree, hence Joanne (album) being moved by AA and many other things requested at places like WP:RM/TR, is that if no other thing has an article or it is unlikely to be created, then there is no point unnecessarily disambiguating. If somebody else creates something under a very similar namespace, then the discussion/moves can be made. Until then, linking things like Good Times! to Good Times! (The Monkees album) when no other album exists with the punctuation intact is unnecessary. Ss112 07:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Because "no other notable thing exists" isn't correct is it? The album isn't notable; tt probably needs a prod on it. Misplaced Pages already contains other content for "Kingsized", quite apart from the basic meaning, beds. Really discussion needs to be on Talk:Kingsized. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- "I hadn't finished" – you did plenty of things after moving Good Times! I don't know what that even means. You were going to create another redirect? Also, your talk page message to me, "Is this album in any way notable"? Firstly, please keep the discussion here and just ping me. Secondly, if it wasn't, why bother moving it at all? You must be assuming I care about it more than moving it to a namespace where no other notable thing exists. Ss112 07:23, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- By all means those should be just (album). I hadn't finished. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:51, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- This is about far more than the two I've listed here. As I pointed out, over the years I have seen IIO move hundreds of pages that have not needed to be moved at all, considering there would be very little ambiguity or confusion with quite unique namespaces, and if there was, it could surely be fixed with a hatnote or some other small feature. Besides, in one of these instances, why the jump from Kingsized to Kingsized (Dressy Bessy album)? Why not Kingsized (album)? Why not Good Times! (album), as there is no other album listed on Misplaced Pages as Good Times!? Ss112 05:29, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Anthony Appleyard: Sorry, upon further inspection, it was SNUGGUMS who requested a move for Joanne (album) that you performed at WP:RM/TR, and said "No other album under this title warrants an article or is likely to anytime soon if at all". If that reasoning wasn't sound—as there are other albums titled "Joanne"—the move shouldn't have been performed, should it? Also, kingsized wasn't disambiguated to the actual size of an item—IIO merely redirected it to the more disambiguated namespace. That's pointless. If there was a concern that it meant kingsize, which has an article, then it should have been redirected there. As for Good Times!, as that is the correct namespace for the album, Good Times! (The Monkees album) redirects there, so anybody looking for the Monkees' album will then see with the exclamation mark is correct. There is no point moving and then redirecting the previous namespace of an album title, as if ambiguity exists over the previous namespace, then something should have been done with the previous namespace besides redirecting to the x ( album) title. Ss112 05:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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I just want to let you know, I don't know what personal comments directed at you in edits or edit summaries you were referring to, and I have no idea why George Ho (talk · contribs) wrote "looks like you're on your own without me" on my talk page (although I assumed he meant that I was the only other editor he notified of the Arbitration request that actually wrote anything substantial on the request). I was aware of him, but have never talked to him before. If he stalked your edits to see who you had discussed things with or has some kind of grudge against you, that's news to me. I'm mostly only aware of your music page moves, and perhaps several others (I don't quite remember) after looking at your edit history after those times. I don't follow any user around, as I'm mostly off on my own path. If it's seemed like that, then I apologise, but that's not the case. Ss112 07:29, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
- The user edit comparison tool indicates that you are following me around. There are many other editors who disambiguate articles, you could try following them occasionally. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:31, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
- I've used that tool before to search random users who edit the same music articles as I do and it honestly could be used to show any kind of "stalking". I don't think that's definitive proof of anything, and as I just told you, I have looked at your edit history before after seeing various music-related moves you made and then based on that, edited/moved pages I saw had been moved, in my opinion, unnecessarily, but I don't "follow you". Ss112 07:34, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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