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	*'''Keep'''. Useful and necessary category, used to locate and contain articles with a major problem (necessary citation being absent). I agree that its usefulness would be dramatically increased if there was a convenient way to display the intersection of this category and some other category of interest. ] ] 21:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)		*'''Keep'''. Useful and necessary category, used to locate and contain articles with a major problem (necessary citation being absent). I agree that its usefulness would be dramatically increased if there was a convenient way to display the intersection of this category and some other category of interest. ] ] 21:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
			*'''delete''' This category is a scar across the face of Misplaced Pages. ] attempted to speedy close this debate, which was completely out of order. Who awarded him a infinite number of votes? ] 11:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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Category:Kentucky high school football

Merge with Category:High school football in Louisville and delete. The nominated category doesn't match the standard of "sport in state/city". All of the existing articles deal with high school football programs in Louisville, and thus belong in a Louisville-specific category. However, I also created a new category of Category:High school football in Kentucky as a catch-all for future Kentucky HS football articles. — Dale Arnett 23:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge to Dale's new Category:High school football in Louisville ∈ Category:High school football in Kentucky. ×Meegs 00:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:List of Universities and Colleges in Tripura

and

Category:List of Kerala Cartoonists

Delete :
Per Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 1#Category:List of Universities and Colleges in Tripura to Category:Universities and Colleges in Tripura. Currently empty and previously deleted. After Midnight 23:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
This is already a list posing as a category. It looks like it was created accidentally in the wrong namespace and it has no members. After Midnight 22:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Listify/delete both per noms; misunderstanding of category nature (and faulty capitaliz/sation). David Kernow 03:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:User koi-0

Delete, userbox category for wikipedians who somehow find themselves without a koi pond. -- ProveIt 22:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Let's be careful of how many "Wikipedians who don't (X)" categories we have.--Mike Selinker 09:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Despot

Mark as {{deletedcategory}}, to match Category:Dictators. -- ProveIt 22:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Mark per nom. David Kernow 03:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Synonyms for feces

Delete. The subject matter entirely aside, this sets a bad precedent for word-based categories (rather than topic-based categories). Powers 22:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete with extreme prejudice per nom. — Dale Arnett 00:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete per Powers. ×Meegs 00:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete/listify. David Kernow 03:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete - word-based categorization is not a good idea. Michael 06:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Casper Claiborne 11:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Culture of FY

Rename to Category:Culture of former Yugoslavia, to expand the (frozen yogurt?) acronym. -- ProveIt 22:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Rename per nominator. Gene Nygaard 22:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment Since the culturing occurs before the freezing, shouldn't it be the freezing of cultured yogurt? Gene Nygaard 10:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Rename per nom. FYI, I also corrected an obvious typo in the nomination: "Yugoslavia" instead of "Yogoslavia". — Dale Arnett 00:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, I fixed the tag as well. I guess I was still thinking of Yogurt. -- ProveIt 03:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: there isn't any current Yugoslavia, the former is redundant. The context for people using term former Yugoslavia (in their language) is nostalgic remembrance of happier times before the wars and this, I guess, is not intention of the cat. Pavel Vozenilek 02:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I thought of that too, but ... then I was looking at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Former Yugoslavia. -- ProveIt 03:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Humor magazine

Category:Humor magazine to Category:Humor magazines

Rename. I, the creator of the category, made a typo when submitting it. GilliamJF 21:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Speedy rename. JF, changing from singular to plural meets the speedy renaming criteria. You could have listed it there. — Dale Arnett 00:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Move to speedy per Dale. David Kernow 03:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Speedy rename per above. Michael 06:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian Dittoheads

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who listen to Rush Limbaugh, to match Category:Wikipedians who listen to Howard Stern. -- ProveIt 19:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Renane per nom. Michael 08:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
rename.--Mike Selinker 09:05, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Neocon Wikipedians stuck in 1994. (I kid, I kid...) Rename per nom, or delete this and all similar "I listen to X" categories. Postdlf 17:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Alpha Phi Alpha brothers

Category:Alpha Phi Alpha brothers to Category:Members of Alpha Phi Alpha

~~Rename~~, Per WP:NCCAT; presumably only the "notable" ones are in Misplaced Pages. Also, remove the "Fraternity, Inc" to match the main article. After Midnight 19:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Merge per ProveIt --After Midnight 22:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep as Category:Alpha Phi Alpha brothers, convention of Category:United States student societies. -- ProveIt 19:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Note, I had voted to merge another category into this one, but then the target was changed. It's improper to replace the target in the middle of an ongoing discussion ... but in any event, bothers or members is the usual convention. When closing this discussion a very detailed examination of edit history will be needed to determine who voted for what, since many of the current votes for merging were speaking of the original topic (Category:Notable Members of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc) and should now be considered invalid. -- ProveIt 16:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge per Provelt. — Dale Arnett 00:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge per ProveIt, assuming the fraternity and "Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc." are (essentially) the same. David Kernow 03:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge, but the real category to rename is Category:Alpha Phi Alpha brothers. The notable category orginally listed was created just 1 day ago and is really a duplicate. The author was unaware of the Category:Alpha Phi Alpha brothers. You can look on my talk page for his statement. Rename, but use the Alpha Phi Alpha brothers category. The Notable Members Alpha Phi Alpha . . . can be deleted.Ccson 04:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge per ProveIt. Michael 06:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:WWE fans of Misplaced Pages

Rename to Category:Wikipedian World Wrestling Entertainment fans, to match Category:Wikipedian Major League Baseball fans. -- ProveIt 19:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Rename per nom. Michael 06:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to already existing category:Wikipedians who like WWE. It's over in category:Wikipedians interested in television.--Mike Selinker 09:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge into Category:Wikipedians who like WWE, per Mike Selinker. -- ProveIt 13:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Towns in Suriname

Category:Towns in Suriname to Category:Cities and towns in Suriname

Rename, This category includes all cities and towns from the capital down. By contrast the list was at List of cities in Suriname until I moved it to List of cities and towns in Suriname. Brammen 18:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename per nom and other similarly-named categories. David Kernow 03:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename per nom. Michael 06:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename for consistency. - Darwinek 22:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Religious Symbols

Category:Religious Symbols to Category:Religious symbols

Rename, Naming conventions. GilliamJF 18:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Move to speedy per similar nom above. David Kernow 03:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Speedy rename per Wiki policy. Michael 06:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Bionicle species

Category:Bionicle species into Category:Bionicle groups

Merge. Currently, the only difference between the two is that "groups" are made up of a set of characters while "species" are made of a set of breeds within those species, which are just as different from each other as the individual characters in the "groups" are. Blurring the line even further between the two is that several "groups" consist of a single race anyway. Drakhan 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge. No problem. In fictional things, the diference of Groups and Species are very little. Always, the Bionicle wildlife haven't many articles. Antidermis2319 22:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge per above. Michael 06:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Articles with unsourced statements

Delete, most editors who have commented on this category's talk page agree that this is not a useful category. It is far too large and difficult to navigate. I am open to any proposals that would help wikipedians locate, subcategorize and source a manageable number of articles with unsourced statements. But it is not helpful to automatically dump tens of thousands of articles into one useless category.The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 15:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Speedy keep per previous DRV that {{fact}} should retain its category. See ANI archive and links therein. Dragons flight 16:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete or at least move to the talk page. Brammen 18:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
keep How else are we supposed to find these and make wikipedia better?Lkinkade 21:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep. Useful and necessary category, used to locate and contain articles with a major problem (necessary citation being absent). I agree that its usefulness would be dramatically increased if there was a convenient way to display the intersection of this category and some other category of interest. Christopher Parham (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
delete This category is a scar across the face of Misplaced Pages. John254 attempted to speedy close this debate, which was completely out of order. Who awarded him a infinite number of votes? Casper Claiborne 11:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Fictional -kineticists

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Oppose renaming. The term is in use outside Misplaced Pages. - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Oppose per Jc37. Michael 06:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional biokineticists

Category:Fictional biokineticists to Category:Fictional healers

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment I think we need to discuss this one further, to disambiguate between innate healers and physicians. - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename per nom. Michael 06:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to category:Fictional characters who can innately heal or category:Fictional characters with healing powers - jc37 17:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
How about, Rename to category:Fictional characters with the power to heal or category:Fictional characters with healing powers - either one makes a clearer separation from a doctor with an innate gift to heal and someone with magical/psychic powers. ~Zythe 21:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional chlorokineticists

Category:Fictional chlorokineticists to Category:Fictional plant manipulators

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to category:Fictional characters who can manipulate plants - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename per nom. Michael 06:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional geokineticists

Category:Fictional geokineticists to Category:Fictional earth manipulators

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to category:Fictional characters who can manipulate earth (less awkward) - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional electrokineticists

Category:Fictional electrokineticists to Category:Fictional electricity manipulators

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to category:Fictional characters who can manipulate electricity or lightning - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename per nom. Michael 06:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional lygokineticists

Category:Fictional lygokineticists to Category:Fictional energy manipulators

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to category:Fictional characters who can manipulate energy - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional magnetokineticists

Category:Fictional magnetokineticists to Category:Fictional magnetists

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to ~~category:Fictional characters who can manipulate magnetic fields of force~~ category:Fictional characters who can manipulate magnetic fields - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename per nom. Michael 06:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename, but I suggest Category:Fictional characters who can manipulate magnetic fields instead. I don't think the "of force" is all that necessary. — Dale Arnett 07:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional photokineticists

Category:Fictional photokineticists to Category:Fictional light manipulators

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to category:Fictional characters who can manipulate light - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional umbrakineticists

Category:Fictional umbrakineticists to Category:Fictional shadow manipulators

Rename, Removal of neologisms per Talk:List of comic book superpowers. ~Zythe 14:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename to category:Fictional characters who can manipulate darkness or shadow - jc37 17:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I agree with all jc37's appendages. I also thought hydrokinesis might be a real word but I was unsure. I did post on the discussion that this was a loose start point for changes and any appendages could be changed to my original suggestions. I considered suggesting "mystical" healers but I thought that would disclude psionics or perhaps robots with advanced "super" doctor skills. I thought that maybe the explaining paragraph would work on the category. How about "fictional characters who can heal others" or "fictional characters with the power to heal"? ~Zythe 23:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"Fictional characters with healing powers"? ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

That sounds perfect to me. ~Zythe 00:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I would say jc's on the right path, but they could all (including cryo-) be changed to "Fictional manipulators of (X)," where X is one word. I would suggest those words could be air, weather, time, cold, plants, earth, electricity, energy, magnetism, light, and darkness. (Fictional magical healers might be a good choice for the other one.)--Mike Selinker 12:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Max Evans isn't magical. Neither is Shawn Farrell or Elixir (comics). I also don't like the "fields of force" which should just be "fields". ~Zythe 12:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem with removing "of force". (It's just a more technical usage.)

As for removing "characters who can", I disagree, else you will have Captain Cold's cold gun, and a host of other objects added to the cat.

Category:Universities and colleges of Belize

Merge into Category:Universities and colleges in Belize, convention of Category:Universities and colleges by country. -- ProveIt 14:01, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Brammen 18:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian LSU alumni

Merge into Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Louisiana State University. -- ProveIt 13:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Rename---Mike Selinker 09:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:LSU alumni

Merge into Category:Louisiana State University alumni, convention of Category:Alumni by university in the United States. -- ProveIt 13:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge per nom (perhaps with redirect?). David Kernow 03:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's a subcat of Category:Louisiana State University; it probably doesn't need one. No objection though. -- ProveIt 14:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Sydney Swans categories to South Melbourne/Sydney Swans

Category:Sydney Swans coaches to Category:South Melbourne/Sydney Swans coaches
Category:Sydney Swans players to Category:South Melbourne/Sydney Swans players
Rename. Titles to more accurately reflect contents. JPD (talk) 11:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment Would this be a precedent to change the names for other team categories where the team has moved location, ie, Brisbane Lions etc. I agree with the idea if the categories are going to be mixed anyway. Ansell 12:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Brisbane was a merger, not a move. Western Bulldogs is perhaps more relevant. JPD (talk) 10:20, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. Our precedent so far has been to assign people only to the teams they played for, and if the club changes names, the person gets two categories. So there are category:California Angels players, category:Anaheim Angels players, and category:Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim players. This should be broken in two.--Mike Selinker 14:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Oppose per Mike. — Dale Arnett 02:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
'Oppose per Mike - perhaps we should have Cat:South Melbourne Football Club players and leave the Cat:Sydney Swans players as it is, just move the relevant players to the South cat. Rogerthat 06:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- I definitely don't think we need separate categories, as it is the same team. I don't think we should necessarily follow the American baseball precedent in this case, as it is a different context. JPD (talk) 10:20, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Colleges and Universities in U.S. Dependencies

Category:Colleges and Universities in U.S. Dependencies to Category:Universities and colleges in United States dependencies

Rename - There are three issues here: 1) capitalization, 2) "U.S." should be spelled out, and 3) the convention in Category:Universities and colleges in the United States by state is to use "Universities and colleges" rather than "Colleges and universities". —Cswrye 07:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Rename per nom. David Kernow 03:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete and upmerge as "Dependencies" is an obsolete term for areas now grouped under Category:Insular areas of the United States. For all other Category:Categories by state of the United States, Guam, PR, USVI, and so on are grouped directly alongside states and DC.-choster 01:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- ...or is something like Category:Universities and colleges in United States Insular Areas appropriate...? Regards, David Kernow 01:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:The Killers

Delete, Simply duplicates article The Killers (band). Faith healer 03:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep. I made it contain both an album and a song category, so that should be enough, per previous nomination on category:Tori Amos, and others.--Mike Selinker 14:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep per Mike Selinker. Band/musician categories are well established, to provide a parent for song and album subcategories, or members if a band. Postdlf 17:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Dragon Door

Delete, Inappropriate category created to promote a specific non-notable company. fbb_fan 03:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Longest film careers

Delete, No criteria listed. How long is longest? If not delete, then perhaps remane into something like "People with film careers longer than xx years". After Midnight 03:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete - too POV. Michael 03:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete and Listify for us movie fans. Not POV, though, since it's based on fact rather than opinion. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 18:01, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes it is POV, because it's subjective what the lower limit should be. Brammen 18:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
  - How can it be subjective to determine when one's first and last film performances occurred? ♥ Her Pegship♥ 05:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    - It is subjective in part because no criteria defining "longest" is supplied. --After Midnight 10:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete Subjective and trivial. Brammen 18:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete. At the worst it could be another poorly defined list. Pavel Vozenilek 02:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete I do recall several dreadful movies staring people whose careers in my POV seemed the loooooooooooooooooooooongest. Carlossuarez46 06:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)