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| *I'm at least admitting that I'm looking now, though I must say that I don't have much stomach for any real involvement. I've tried to rethink some bits of why I might or might not contribute, but now is not the time to explain them. ] 22:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | *I'm at least admitting that I'm looking now, though I must say that I don't have much stomach for any real involvement. I've tried to rethink some bits of why I might or might not contribute, but now is not the time to explain them. ] 22:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
| **Well, it is nice to see your words on the page. The ] situation is shocking; the bureaucrats seem to have ceased communicating with the community in any meaningful sense, and certain editors are rampaging around trynig to impose their views on everyone else. Perhaps you are better out of it, but I would be much happier with you around. You are deeply respected and valued, you know. -- ] ] 22:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | **Well, it is nice to see your words on the page. The ] situation is shocking; the bureaucrats seem to have ceased communicating with the community in any meaningful sense, and certain editors are rampaging around trynig to impose their views on everyone else. Perhaps you are better out of it, but I would be much happier with you around. You are deeply respected and valued, you know. -- ] ] 22:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *Thank you. The question is about how deep the divide is between the content and ''everything'' else. The people acting childish and egoistic are unaware of content and concentrate instead of ornament (boxes and borders) and each other. One could write and revise for months and never see them, and they have demonstrated that they can go years without seeing content or creating any. So, why look at their antics? If the voices of the sane will always be ignored in policy debates, because there will never be another policy debate ("I wrote an essay, and now I'm going to enforce my policy"), then what point is there for anyone to ever look at AN/I? What point is there in doing anything on xfD? Again, if people will simply wheel war and have no penalty over their views, while others will get blocked for revert warring, what on earth is the use? If the answer is "none," then that doesn't mean "leave Misplaced Pages" or even "go get de-adminned." Both of those are allowing these antics to become determinant on oneself, both elevate and empower the clubbing nasties. No, the answer is to do whatever the hell you want: delete what you want, undelete what you want, and ignore whatever anyone of a different opinion says. Since this community of people has a form of collective autism, the answer is to simply ''use'' Misplaced Pages for doing what ''you'' want, since you (or I) is probably going to want what's right more inerrantly than the rest. Dark, I know. ] 11:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Going Away
For the next week, I won't look at Misplaced Pages. I simply can't imagine the amount of disrespect, unilateralism, and pettiness that has been par in the last week or two being tolerated. I have no other way, since I believe in achieving consensus, respecting the minority voices, and never trying to force my will on others, to show my displeasure aside from this. It isn't a storming away. It is a strike. Geogre 17:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- I was going to prolong my strike beyond the week, but when I saw that today's featured article is Mariah Carey, I knew that all was well and that the seriousness and scholarship of the project were a perfect home for my talents. Geogre 21:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Personal Attack by Bishonen
Oh. :-( And here I was just going to ask you to check out the latest civility war here and ask you to throw your hat in the ring. I'm about to post there myself. I do understand that you'll probably come down on the opposite side from me, as in "please accept this arbitration", which would be fine, that's not the point. The point is the punitive attitude to putative "personal attacks"—to "disrespect" ( User:Askolnick's pet peeve), and, yes, the point is the punishment of defiance! Bishonen | talk 18:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC).
Dr John Arbuthnot
You wrote on John Arbuthnots discussion page in December 2005. I am responding there very late in the day. - Kittybrewster 17:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Everything falls apart when you're not here
Even your law is about to be deleted . (Even if it's only the redirect from the main article space). Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- "I wrote an essay saying that cross-namespace redirects are bad, and now I'm going to say that it's a policy and delete them all without fixing the red links they leave." At least this one is up for debate. I'm not sure it will matter, of course, as consensus is irrelevant on Misplaced Pages. Geogre 21:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Ghirla
I disagree with Ghirla, and find that many of Ghirla's comments are unnecessarily abrupt, but I completely agree with you on the RFAR. In my view the best thing here is just to close the discussions - all of them, because nobody is going to back down and few if any are going to change their minds at this stage - and then to watch Carnildo like a hawk. In other words, go and get on with building that encyclopaedia; wait until there is a problem to fix. Guy 20:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, but Fred and SimonP want to accept. I'm sure that they're incorruptible, though, so no worries, and their past actions are above reproof. The fact is that I said, long ago, that trying to sanction for "personal attacks" would mean a race to the bottom, as every disputant began claiming greater and greater psychic wounds and longer and longer blocks for his opponent. Sure enough, we're seeing the non-admins doing just that. As for the admins, they're just imposing the blocks, demanding apologies, and demanding humble supplication from those blocked. It's insane. I've grown weary of explaining this, of going into great detail on why the "policy" is bankrupt and its application misguided. That's why I left for a week.
- Once, it seemed like people listened to me and at least let my arguments slow them down. Now, I think they see what I have to say and do whatever the hell they wanted to in the first place. I'm glad that I'm respected, but apparently that respect doesn't entitle me to actual answers from people or mean that they will actually consider what I say. In that, though, I'm not special, as I don't think they're considering what anyone says. Geogre 22:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Please remove link
I am unable to remove the link
- Kittybrewster 13:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Genius
Geogre,
You put this phrase in the end of your article on 'genius', or I think you did"
"and more particularly the view that skill is inferior to imagination, has been in decline."
I find this statement interesting because I thought I was the only one who noticed this. I find this clearly shown in music and painting. Are able to provide any source of discussion on this?
Cellorando
- I've answered on your page. Geogre 22:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello?
Is the militant worker returning to the factory? Would you like to join the Disgruntled Wikipedians' Breakfast Club? I'm sure User:R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) would be happy to waive the usual entrance fee in your case. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm at least admitting that I'm looking now, though I must say that I don't have much stomach for any real involvement. I've tried to rethink some bits of why I might or might not contribute, but now is not the time to explain them. Geogre 22:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it is nice to see your words on the page. The User:Ghirlandajo situation is shocking; the bureaucrats seem to have ceased communicating with the community in any meaningful sense, and certain editors are rampaging around trynig to impose their views on everyone else. Perhaps you are better out of it, but I would be much happier with you around. You are deeply respected and valued, you know. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. The question is about how deep the divide is between the content and everything else. The people acting childish and egoistic are unaware of content and concentrate instead of ornament (boxes and borders) and each other. One could write and revise for months and never see them, and they have demonstrated that they can go years without seeing content or creating any. So, why look at their antics? If the voices of the sane will always be ignored in policy debates, because there will never be another policy debate ("I wrote an essay, and now I'm going to enforce my policy"), then what point is there for anyone to ever look at AN/I? What point is there in doing anything on xfD? Again, if people will simply wheel war and have no penalty over their views, while others will get blocked for revert warring, what on earth is the use? If the answer is "none," then that doesn't mean "leave Misplaced Pages" or even "go get de-adminned." Both of those are allowing these antics to become determinant on oneself, both elevate and empower the clubbing nasties. No, the answer is to do whatever the hell you want: delete what you want, undelete what you want, and ignore whatever anyone of a different opinion says. Since this community of people has a form of collective autism, the answer is to simply use Misplaced Pages for doing what you want, since you (or I) is probably going to want what's right more inerrantly than the rest. Dark, I know. Geogre 11:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry
Please do not accuse me of sockpuppetry again unless you have substantiating evidence such as IPs or hostmasks. Ameise -- chat 05:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- Random comment of the day. If you have a link to a time that I have accused you (which name?) of sockppuppetry, it would certainly help. Otherwise, I will devote all the time to considering your comments that you have in composing them. Geogre 11:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)