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***I agree with you in general and am loath to rely only on pageviews for a number of reasons related to ] but it's hard to imagine that someone clicking on "]" would be looking for anything but that. (Whether they're actually reading the article is another matter.) However, it's the existence of so many other notable topics named Giant but unrelated to the mythical creature that swayed me. <small> — ] 05:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)</small> | ***I agree with you in general and am loath to rely only on pageviews for a number of reasons related to ] but it's hard to imagine that someone clicking on "]" would be looking for anything but that. (Whether they're actually reading the article is another matter.) However, it's the existence of so many other notable topics named Giant but unrelated to the mythical creature that swayed me. <small> — ] 05:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)</small> | ||
****Agree it's a puzzle. The film had a strong ], did well at both the ] and ] and has received other significant accolades. But it's still hard to believe that sixty years later, so many people think of it and relatively few of ] when they search on ''giant''. A puzzle indeed. On the number of other topics at the DAB, I note that many of them are explicitly ''Giants'' rather than ''giant''. This may be part of the problem. ] (]) 18:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC) | ****Agree it's a puzzle. The film had a strong ], did well at both the ] and ] and has received other significant accolades. But it's still hard to believe that sixty years later, so many people think of it and relatively few of ] when they search on ''giant''. A puzzle indeed. On the number of other topics at the DAB, I note that many of them are explicitly ''Giants'' rather than ''giant''. This may be part of the problem. ] (]) 18:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
*****Despite the longevity of mythical giants I wonder if the movie is not a bit more encyclopedic than the creatures. ] less likelihood of a ] fan searching for a ] than a ] fan searching for '']''. On your second point, I agree that the ''Giant'''s''''' shouldn't muddy the waters of this discussion, and if this article is moved, {{no redirect|Giants}} should still redirect to the DAB page. <small> — ] 01:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)</small> |
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Giants and their Origin
As to the origin and the Belief in Giants, Megalithic structures and ancient burial mounds have probably played their part in inspiring the myths and legends. Ancient Fossil animals such as Cave Bear and Mastodon bones may have been misinterperated by Native Americans and ancient Greeks as those of great heroes and Vilains. But the most likely scenario is that there were actual tribes and racial stocks of ancient man who stood between 2-3 metres of height. This can be testified even today with racial groups who live in East Africa and South America who commonly attain statures of 6-7 ft. Skeletons of this range and taller have been found all over the world-Many in the United States. Just take a look at the many different news headlines from The New York Times and Washington Post which gained national attention during the 19th and 20th centuries:
WASHINGTON POST HEADLINES:
· AN INDIAN GIANT’S TOMB
· A RACE OF GIANTS
· THE BONES OF A GIANT
· INDIANS SEVEN FEET TALL
· WARRIOR SKELETONS UNEARTHED
· Dug Up a Skeleton Eight Feet Long
· GIANTS IN THOSE DAYS; Monster Skeleton Discovered in the Miami Valley
· GIANTS' SKELETONS IN A CAVE
· SKELETONS OF DWARFS; Curious Specimens Brought from the Philippines
· EARLY AMERICAN GIANTS. ; Reasons for Believing that a Race of 20-footers Lived in Arizona.
· WILD SERI CANNIBALS
· ISLAND OF MYSTERY
· BONES OF GIANT ANCIENTS
· Giants’ Graves
· Find Horns on Human Skull
· OLD TIME GIANTS
· GIANT IN ANCIENT MOUND
· SOME HISTORIC GIANTS
· FIND PREHISTORIC GIANT
· SKULL GIVEN MUSEUM
· BONES OF STRANGE MEN
· Why Scientists Believe Mythical Monsters Existed
· FIND TWO SKELETONS OF PRIMITIVE MEN
· Giant Human Skeletons, 12 feet Long, are Found
· TRACES OF EARLIEST HUMAN RACE FOUND
· PREHISTORIC BONES REVEAL TRAGEDY OF GIANTS' LOST RACE
· Town Very Proud Of Skeleton Found
· Evidence of Giants Bared by Mounds
· 3 Huge Skeletons Of Humans Found
· WEIRD GIANTS of a DEAD PAST
· Oklahoma Indian Relics Unearthed; Thigh Bone of 9-Foot Man Found in Mound
· Largest Skull Ever Recorded is Discovered By Archeologist in Stafford County, Virginia
· Major Finds Grave of Giant Aleutian
· Giant's Skeleton Found by Soviets
· Mammoth Jaws Hint Existence of Prehistoric Giants
· Jaw and Skull of Oldest Man Safe in N.Y.
· Prehistoric Find Points to Giant Ape Man
· Strange Bones Dug Up
· Giant Skeleton
THE NEW YORK TIMES HEADLINES:
· SKELETON OF GIANT FOUND
· Reported Discovery of a Huge Skeleton
· THE EARLY AMERICAN GIANT
· THE BEST ITEMS BY MAIL; UTAH MOUNDS REPORTED DISCOVERIES MADE BY RECENT EXCAVATIONS TWO SKELETONS FOUND AND ANCIENT RELICS NEAR THEM
· BONES OF ALLEGED BROOKLYN GIANTS
· TWO VERY TALL SKELETONS
· THE BONES OF A GIANT FOUND
· THE GRAVEYARD OF THE GIANTS
· THE CARSON FOOTPRINTS
· SKELETONS SEVEN FEET LONG
· MONSTER SKULLS AND BONES
· SKELETONS OF A FORMER RACE
· SKELETON OF A BIG INDIAN
· A RACE OF INDIAN GIANTS
· MOUND BUILDERS' SKELETONS FOUND
· MR. JEFFERSON'S CYCLOPS. ; A GIANT SKELETON UNEARTHED AT BUZZARD'S BAY
· THE WISCONSIN MOUNDS
· IN THE WISCONSIN MOUNDS
· A Race of Giants in Old Gaul
· GIANTS OF OTHER DAYS
· RELICS OF THE ABORIGINES
· A TALL SKELETON FOUND NEAR PHOENIX
· WISCONSIN MOUND OPENED
· GIANT SKELETONS FOUND
· UNEARTHING REVOLUTIONARY BONES AT 181st STREET
· FIND GIANT INDIANS' BONES
· GIANT RACE IN GREENLAND
· A NEW RACE OF GIANTS
· GIANTS' SKELETONS FOUND
· STRANGE SKELETONS FOUND
· FOUND GIANTS IN CHINA
· GIANTS' BONES IN MOUND
· Not Human Skulls with Horns
· Unearths Skeleton of Indian Giant
· OLDEST SKULLS YET FOUND
· FIND SKELETON OF GIANT
· MUMMIES FOUND IN CAVES
· FIND FLORIDA GIANTS' BONES
· PUT MAN’S AGE BACK TEN MILLION YEARS
· GIANTS' BONES IN MEXICO
· GIANTS SURVIVE THE AGE OF FABLE
· HEADLESS GIANT BODIES FOUND IN PARIS GRAVES
· OLD ROYAL TOMB UNEARTHED IN OHIO
· UNEARTH THE BONES OF TEN-FOOT GIANTS
· FIND BONES IN MOUNDS
· THE GOBI GIVES US A MONSTER
· TAKING THOUGHT ABOUT STATURE
· ‘Oldest Human Footprint’ Points to Primitive Giants in Africa
· Skeleton of Giant Early Man Reported Unearthed in Mexico
· REPORTS FIND OF BONES OF MEN 8 FEET TALL
· FIND ANCIENT BONES NEAR PITTSBURGH
· EIGHT MT. CARMEL SKELETONS REACH LONDON
· INDIAN BURIAL MOUND YIELDS MANY RELICS
· Bones of Huge Man Reported
· CHILEAN FOSSIL MAN SEEN
· HINTS ‘GIANT’ ANCESTORS
· GIANT BONES IN RUSSIA
· ‘Largest’ Ape Man Found in Africa; Indicated to Top 9-Foot Java Man
· IN SEARCH OF EARLY AMERICANS
Should giantesses in fiction be a seperate ategory from giants in fiction?
I think this is one of those categories like witch that is gender specific. CensoredScribe (talk) 20:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Egyptian Giants???
I looked up 1 Chronicles 11:23, but it doesn't mention any "giants of Egypt". It mentions one Egyptian person who was very big. He's not a mythological giant. 178.48.52.73 (talk) 05:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Familial gigantism
Seeing as most of the information on this is testimonial, perhaps some realistic speculation would be appropriate, given that pretense exists for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:100:DC9C:9C1B:C77D:DEA8:309A (talk) 23:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- Anywhere else, eg Wikiversity, this would be a good idea. But here sources need to discuss the subject, see WP:NOR and WP:VERIFY. Thanks though. Interesting link. Doug Weller talk 15:46, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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– WP:BROADCONCEPT. Giants (Greek mythology), Giants (Norse mythology), Giant (Dungeons & Dragons), Giants (Marvel Comics) etc. will all fall under this rubric, and many of them are already linked here. There are a number of Giant films and songs, but in terms of long-term significance demanded by WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, none of them can hold a candle to characters of Biblical and Greek mythology that have been around for literally millennia. Still other things on the disambig page, including admittedly very important concepts, aren't known simply as "Giant": Giant star, Gas giant, Giant Forest Ribbet32 (talk) 01:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- Support. A well-argued case in which a broad concept is the primary meaning. Andrewa (talk) 02:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose reluctantly. The fact that a single movie has nearly as many page views as all of the mythical giants (see here and choose "Chart type" → "Pie") combined with the presence of so many other Giants leads me to believe that having Giant as a DAB page is the best approach. A broad concept article already exists as Giant (mythology) and it is the first link on the DAB page. — AjaxSmack 04:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- A classic case of the problem with page views. Giant (1956 film) has nearly as many page views as all of the mythical giants, does it? This statistic is obviously measuring something, but it's not obvious what. Andrewa (talk) 04:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with you in general and am loath to rely only on pageviews for a number of reasons related to the nature of a encyclopedia but it's hard to imagine that someone clicking on "Giant (1956 film)" would be looking for anything but that. (Whether they're actually reading the article is another matter.) However, it's the existence of so many other notable topics named Giant but unrelated to the mythical creature that swayed me. — AjaxSmack 05:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Agree it's a puzzle. The film had a strong cast, did well at both the box office and Academy Awards and has received other significant accolades. But it's still hard to believe that sixty years later, so many people think of it and relatively few of Jack and the Beanstalk when they search on giant. A puzzle indeed. On the number of other topics at the DAB, I note that many of them are explicitly Giants rather than giant. This may be part of the problem. Andrewa (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Despite the longevity of mythical giants I wonder if the movie is not a bit more encyclopedic than the creatures. I see less likelihood of a Jack and the Beanstalk fan searching for a giant than a James Dean fan searching for Giant. On your second point, I agree that the Giants shouldn't muddy the waters of this discussion, and if this article is moved, Giants should still redirect to the DAB page. — AjaxSmack 01:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Agree it's a puzzle. The film had a strong cast, did well at both the box office and Academy Awards and has received other significant accolades. But it's still hard to believe that sixty years later, so many people think of it and relatively few of Jack and the Beanstalk when they search on giant. A puzzle indeed. On the number of other topics at the DAB, I note that many of them are explicitly Giants rather than giant. This may be part of the problem. Andrewa (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with you in general and am loath to rely only on pageviews for a number of reasons related to the nature of a encyclopedia but it's hard to imagine that someone clicking on "Giant (1956 film)" would be looking for anything but that. (Whether they're actually reading the article is another matter.) However, it's the existence of so many other notable topics named Giant but unrelated to the mythical creature that swayed me. — AjaxSmack 05:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- A classic case of the problem with page views. Giant (1956 film) has nearly as many page views as all of the mythical giants, does it? This statistic is obviously measuring something, but it's not obvious what. Andrewa (talk) 04:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)