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| :::::::{{rto|Lugnuts}} Let me speak plainly: meeting NCYC is irrelevant. How does the subject meet GNG? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 07:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC) | :::::::{{rto|Lugnuts}} Let me speak plainly: meeting NCYC is irrelevant. How does the subject meet GNG? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 07:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::::Has competed at a UCI event, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 07:57, 26 April 2017 (UTC) | ::::::::Has competed at a UCI event, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 07:57, 26 April 2017 (UTC) | ||
| :'''Keep''' - a very quick google turned up , which seemed reasonably in-depth including how he ''got into'' cycling etc.] (]) 08:27, 26 April 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Seems to fail WP:GNG. While it passes WP:NSPORT/WP:NCYC, note that NSPORT clearly states that the subject has to meet GNG, meeting NSPORT is just indicative they are more likely to do so, so we should search for sources (WP:BEFORE): "Q: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not have to meet the general notability guideline? A: No, the subject must still eventually meet the general notability guideline." Well, I don't see anything except few stats - this individual has nothing going on for him. Middling performance at one relatively high level event (but not Olympics), so he doesn't even qualify for saying that he represented his nation at the top event (because top is Olympics). And for anyone interested in splitting hair about whether top can include more than one competition, it doesn't matter: unless it can be shown he meets GNG, he is simply not notable. NCYC cannot overrrule GNG/BIO, so please abstain from keep votes based solely on rationale "meets NCYC" - it is simply invalid. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:27, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep has completed at the 2010 UCI Track Cycling World Championships, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. And he's a two-time national champion to boot. More bad-faith WP:POINTY disruption following this AfD by the same nom. Keep this up and a topic-ban will be coming your way. Lugnuts 07:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Sourced all that and found an interview with the man. Bam. Lugnuts 07:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Lugnuts: First, please remove or refactor your comments on bad faith and topic bans, they are not conductive to a friendly discussion, and are in violation of WP:AGF/WP:NPA policies. Now, did you see the part about NCYC not superseding GNG? The interview on a niche Polish cycling website is not even a proper interview, it is a single lengthy quote from him. The other paragraphs there is a quote from his team leader, and a simple summary of his career. Interviews are not considered quality sources per problems WP:INTERVIEW. Winning some non-notable, local, niche events does not help him meet GNG (or NCYC, even). Playing the devil's advocate (I'd be happy if we can prove he is notable, I am not a deletionist) the Polish article (in the paragraph describing his career) does mention his team set a Polish record for 4 km team, and he got 2 silver medals in team competitions, but again, those don't seem to help him meet the said policies. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Has competed at a UCI event, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. How many more times? Lugnuts 07:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Lugnuts: How many times before you notice that at the top of NCYC (Misplaced Pages:Notability (sports)) there is a section that reads: "Q: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not have to meet the general notability guideline? A: No, the subject must still eventually meet the general notability guideline." Meeting NCYC is not sufficient for an article to remain on Misplaced Pages. Meeting GNG is the necessary element here. Would you like to explain how the subject meets GNG? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:49, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Has competed at a UCI event, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. Lugnuts 07:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Lugnuts: Let me speak plainly: meeting NCYC is irrelevant. How does the subject meet GNG? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Has competed at a UCI event, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. Lugnuts 07:57, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Lugnuts: Let me speak plainly: meeting NCYC is irrelevant. How does the subject meet GNG? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Has competed at a UCI event, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. Lugnuts 07:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Lugnuts: How many times before you notice that at the top of NCYC (Misplaced Pages:Notability (sports)) there is a section that reads: "Q: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not have to meet the general notability guideline? A: No, the subject must still eventually meet the general notability guideline." Meeting NCYC is not sufficient for an article to remain on Misplaced Pages. Meeting GNG is the necessary element here. Would you like to explain how the subject meets GNG? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:49, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Has competed at a UCI event, therefore meeting WP:NCYC. How many more times? Lugnuts 07:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Lugnuts: First, please remove or refactor your comments on bad faith and topic bans, they are not conductive to a friendly discussion, and are in violation of WP:AGF/WP:NPA policies. Now, did you see the part about NCYC not superseding GNG? The interview on a niche Polish cycling website is not even a proper interview, it is a single lengthy quote from him. The other paragraphs there is a quote from his team leader, and a simple summary of his career. Interviews are not considered quality sources per problems WP:INTERVIEW. Winning some non-notable, local, niche events does not help him meet GNG (or NCYC, even). Playing the devil's advocate (I'd be happy if we can prove he is notable, I am not a deletionist) the Polish article (in the paragraph describing his career) does mention his team set a Polish record for 4 km team, and he got 2 silver medals in team competitions, but again, those don't seem to help him meet the said policies. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Sourced all that and found an interview with the man. Bam. Lugnuts 07:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - a very quick google turned up this interview, which seemed reasonably in-depth including how he got into cycling etc.XyZAn (talk) 08:27, 26 April 2017 (UTC)