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STOP RUING OTHER PEOPLES WORK

It is easy for you to come and ruin other peoples work but what you are really doing is harming one of the only Turkey related articles that actually conform to good Misplaced Pages standards. Your edits are runing the format and are not necessary. When Southeastern Europe is mention this already means the Balkans - you are ruing the style and tone of the article. It is sad and probbaly a lot of joy to your enemies that you as a Turk are ruing what is about on eof the best Turkey related pages on Wkipedia. It is a shame that you can't appreciate the hard work done by others. I am going to ask Misplaced Pages and the editor that did that hard work TO TAKE IT ALL OFF and leave it as it was so THEN YOU CAN EDIT it as you like and see how happy you'll be then! 82.145.231.9 17:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism by you on Music of Turkey page

The two references taken out are there for a reason - THEY HAVE BEEN CITED. The immigrants lowest of the low article about mistreatment of Turkish immigrants in Germany influenced the Turkish hip hop genre, for example. It is all footnoted if one takes the time to read and not just edit. 82.145.231.194 13:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Lısten - the rest of the article is rubbish added by Turkish people trying to promote little known artists. 82.145.231.194 13:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Where were you when this article was being prepared by the guy that wrote it? He did all the hard work - where were you? It is easy now to come and add bits in UNVERIFIED just as you see fit. You didn't have the brains to write and collect the necessary data - you even proved you didn't read the article by DELETING verified and applicable sources that were FOOTNOTED. Now you think you can come and mess with the article as you please? I don't think so. When I see you write a decent article like this then I'll think you got the right to come mess with this one. 82.145.231.194 13:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Going anon and reverting the pages doesn't change anything. 82.145.231.194 14:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

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Images

Your image uploads have been tagged as lacking proper source/copyright information. You claim on some of them the they are from www.wowturkey.com but then claim they are "free use". If you did not take these images and they are not specifically released udner a free license then you can not upload them to wikipedia unless you are able to use a fair use claim, which I think is not likely on the imaegs you have been uploading. Please see Misplaced Pages:Image use policy for more details. Claiming incorrect copyrights on images is illegal, unless these problems are sorted the images will be deleted. Please let me know if you have any questions. --Martyman-(talk) 10:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me in regards to these images. If they truely are released udner the license that you say they are then they should be fine for use on wikipedia. I would suggest that on the description page you include a link to the site and a copy of the copyright in both Turkish and translated to English. The best copyright tag to use would probably be {{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat|the image is credited to www.wowturkey.com}}. Please let me know if you want a hand goign through and correcting the description pages and removing the license warning tags. --Martyman-(talk) 04:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I do like the way you have set out the description on Image:Kaleicipanorama.jpg if you included both the turkish and english trasnlations on that and switched the copyright tag to the one I posted above it would be perfect. --Martyman-(talk) 04:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't find any mention of the GFDL on the www.turizm.net site listed on Image:Map antalya.gif. Do you have a reference for that? --Martyman-(talk) 04:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanx i will do that on the panaroma picture. I couldnt find the gnu licence on the page either,i thought it was just for free licences.The turizm.net site doent have licence that picture because i think the picture has no licence at all but i dont know what to do about the licences for pictures like that.Actually i could just use the other location picture but maybe there is something i can do about files like this.thanx

The turizm.net site clearly states copyright all rights reserved at the bottom of the page. Even if this wasn't the case, you can't just use images you think might be under a free license you have to have soem sort of proof.

Back on the subject of the wowturkey images. You don't seem to have included a full translation of the turkish on the image descripotion page. Also I went to the English version of thesite at wordlturkey.com and it clearly states non-commercial use, which is not compatible with wikipedia's usage. It also states that images uploaded by users are not covered by their copyright either, so they are not nessesrily free either. I have emailed worldturkey.com for clarification. --Martyman-(talk) 04:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok thanx for letting me know i will delete the turizm.net photo and replace it with the gnu copyrighted other location picture.About the wowturkey issue i really didnt understand the whole thing because they say all the copyrights of the photos that are uploaded belong to us but then it says if you want to use the photos commercially you just have to send a message to the photograph takers and they will let you do it with pleasure.Anyway i am putting the whole translation now and sending a message to each photograph takers for permition.If there is anything else i can do please let me know.Thank you again so much for your help on this.

Thankyou for going to the effort of chasing this up. The only thing to make sure is that if you are requesting to use the images on wikipedia that you get back an email from the autor explicitly stating it is either available for any use or under a specific free license. Permission to use it specificaly on wikipedia is no good because the image still can't be restraicted to non-commercial uses. --Martyman-(talk) 05:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok i got it,i will take a permission specifically stating it is either available for any use or under a specific free license including commercial use then i will paste the reply on the copyright page.thank you.

Sounds great, thanks for your hard work. --Martyman-(talk) 05:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging for Image:Saklikent.jpg

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Image copyright problem with Image:Hadriangate.JPG

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This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you have questions about copyright tagging of images, post on Misplaced Pages talk:Image copyright tags or User talk:Carnildo/images. 10:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Warning for Personal Attack

In regards to the edit comment on the Galatasaray article on the 24 February 2006.

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy: There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks, Englishrose 14:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess I'll have to tell my MP to oppose Turkish admission into the EU if all of Turkey is like you. Need we say that removing articles doesn't remove history. Need we say Armenia? John wesley 18:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Warning for Vandalism

In regards to removing content from the Galatasaray article without consensus on the 24 February 2006. Please stop removing content from Misplaced Pages; it is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Englishrose 14:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

That's correct, as every post is recorded it makes no logical sense to falsely accuse others of vandalism. The word 'Vandalism' itself is an insult to the great band of people the Vandals. John wesley 14:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

In regards to removing content from the Galatasaray article (again)Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Englishrose 17:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Galatasaray, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Please read the Talk:Galatasaray page and respond there before making any further edits to the article itself. Waggers 10:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

This section does not belong to the Encyclopic facts of the Sports Club of Galatasaray so actually this isnt even an information i can correct or expand further because it actually does not belong there. I agree to call an administrator to solve this dispute.Until a decision is made by an objective point of view, please do not add that section unrelated with the club of Galatasaray. metb82 12:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Please see my response to that in Talk:Galatasaray. Let's try to keep the discussion in one place. Waggers 10:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Consistency on Football pages

If we can find out the correct category to put non-football but football frelated items. That is, are other similar incidents for other clubs, accidents, brawls, killings in other clubs also listed on their pages? Some please provide the links to those other teams so that all teams will be treated the same way. There at least two ways to make the all consistent. 1.) place it in the article on the club itself (not perfect) 2.) provide a link to incidents good and bad like the fact that a player also happens to be a doctor, say or a musician. John wesley 15:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

3rr and incivility

I've blocked you for WP:3RR and incivility on Galatasaray. Please read the rules; 3RR is important but WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL are probably even more important. William M. Connolley 12:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• I dont think i deserve this ban because i had agreed to hold until the dispute is solved by an administrator. You can see my point of view in the bottom of the discussion page of the Galatasaray article. I also will be glad to hear an administrator's comments and recommandations on the dispute.

Are you arguing that you havent broken WP:3RR? William M. Connolley 13:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

No i accept that i changed the page more than 3 times in 24 hours but im suggesting this was correction of simple vandalism and waiting for comments.I want to learn why erasing sided,irrelevant and offending information can be called vandalism.But i still accept my fault and i will stop all my activities on this page until this dispute is solved.

People sometimes disagree over what is "vandalism". For the purposes of judging 3RR, vandalism is something that someone who has no idea about the contents of the page would judge as wrong: complete gibberish (e.g. "sdgjkljg vndsjg d"); blanking; rude words; stuff like that. See WP:VAND. You are having a content dispute. William M. Connolley 15:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC).

Incidentally, since you're being entirely reasonable, if you're prepared to respect 3RR in future, and leave the G page alone till your block would have expired, I'll unblock you. William M. Connolley 15:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanx but for me,it wont mean anything until we find a resolution to this problem. I accept that i did personal attacks in some point,and im sorry about this. But i still dont understand if i got banned for violating the WP:NPA or WP:CIVIL rule, or was it because of the WP:3RR rule? If it was the WP:3RR rule, i was not the only person reverting that article. I will appreciate if you enlighten me on this.

You got banned for 3RR *and* incivility. Had you been perfectly civil, you would still have been banned for 3RR, but probably for a shorter period as a first offence. As to others reverting... as far as I can see they stuck to 3 or less per 24h, and so are safe. William M. Connolley 19:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC).

Istanbul Sayfası Güzel Olmuş :)

Abi İstanbul sayfası güzel olmuş, yeni bilgiler fln. Eline sağlık. Bu arada wowturkey ve worldturkey'deki resimleri sorunsuz yükleyebilirsin. worldturkey'deki copyright notice'e "giving information about Turkey" kismini eklettim. Böylece non-commercial kismi bizim Türkiye'yi tanitan sayfalarimizda devre disi kaliyor. Gerçi buna karsi çikan adminler olabilir ama "Worldturkey.com allows its images to be used freely, if it is used in page giving information about Turkey." gibi birsey eklemek sanirim yeterli olur. İyi çalışmalar. --System Halted 18:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• Yardımların için çok teşekkürler..İstanbul'da tanıtmamız gereken bu kadar güzellik varken kayıtsız kalamadım.Bizi hala aya sofyanın etrafında kumdan evlerde yaşayan insanlar sanıyorlar.Bilgilerin çoğunu ödüllü almanca sayfasından altavista yardımıyla ingilizceye çevirerek ve düzelterek ekledim.Gerçi daha eklememiz gereken çok bilgi ve resim var. İyi çalışmalar. -metb82

Misplaced Pages policies

Before using a tag on a page, please read Misplaced Pages policies and understand why they are used. I am reffering to the Armenian Genocide entry. Misplaced Pages present positions and do not take itself a position, that the article exist is because those positions exist regardless of what is true or not. Also, while I agree the uses of that tag you have added, the reason is because of the recent materials added which need to be reviewed. If you pay attention and run a word count, you will see that the Turkish position as the article is now is given more places than any others. Regards. Fad (ix) 22:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Yes Fadix, i understand. But first of all,the article starts with an entrance completely giving a unobjective point of view. We have to mention that,it was a war and thousands of Turks were dying each day. It presents it like the Turks were so comforted and just thought it would be better without Armenians after a thousand years of living together.We both know this is not true. I am not opposing everything that says there because i dont have enough knowledge about the issue. But one thing i know is that it was something in a war situation and Armenians were killing Turks too and it would be really wrong if it sounded like Hitler.Anyway i'm still waiting to be enlightened and i would love to discuss this with you in an other platform.

Perhaps you should read the article all together before placing such a judgement. The lead present what the article is all about, the article is called Armenian Genocide, and the lead say what is that position first, it does not say this is what happened. Fad (ix) 23:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriots

Because the source is not neutral nor academic. Would you be able to help me find neutral sources for the number of Turkish Cypriots in the world? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 05:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

That's a Greek source. I was hoping to find one that was neither Greek or Turkish, but I can't seem to find anything so far. I guess we'll have to make do with the current numbers, but the user who added them has a history of adding her personal point of view to articles. --Khoikhoi 05:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll check if the Library of Congress has anything. --Khoikhoi 05:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I changed it a little bit. See the Turkish Cypriots article now. :) --Khoikhoi 05:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Metb82, thanks for your comment. I'm sorry for getting into that revert war with you, I should've used the talk page instead. Hey I understand how you feel, let's try to improve the Adana page best we can. :) P.S. what part of Turkey do you live in? --Khoikhoi 05:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. That's interesting, no wonder you write so much about the Turkish Rivera. So you're a Turk of Greek ancestry? I'm American and I live in California, near San Francisco. --Khoikhoi 01:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, have you read the Turkish people article? It's all about how the Turks mixed with peoples over the centuries. Tell me, are there any Turks in Turkey that look like the Eastern Turkic peoples, such as the Kazakhs and Yakuts? I don't think there are, but perhaps I'm mistaken. The Turkish people article lists all the people that came to Anatolia, it's very interesting. --Khoikhoi 02:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

My father is half English and half Dutch. My mother is Jewish (so am I) and her great-grandparents come from places like Hungary and Russia. A lot of people in the US are of mixed ancestry. --Khoikhoi 04:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, take care. --Khoikhoi 04:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Why are u filling the tab in Greeks with 'citation needed'?there are many sources in the respective articles...In any case,the number cannot be considered exagerrated...--Hectorian 23:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Well i just want to make sure there are the correct numbers.Im not saying its exaggerrated. I didnt see such detailed sources in the respective articles. (Metb82 23:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC))

in the bottom of the page there are internal links like Greek American,Greek Canadian and so on...in some of them,as i just saw,there are links.in some others not...i guess me(or someone else) will have to fix it...anyway,no prob!--Hectorian 00:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkish people

Hi Metb82, I understand what you're saying. However, but the fact "the Kurds are considered Turkish too" is disputed. The Kurds are an Iranian peoples while the Turks are a Turkic people. Yes the term Turk can refer to a citizen of Turkey, but most Kurds for example in Turkey do not call themselves ethnic Turks. I'm sure that Assyrians living in Turkey do not call themselves ethnic Turks as well.

You're talking about the Turks as a nationality, this aricle is talking about the Turks as an ethnic group. These are two different things. And on Misplaced Pages we differentiate between all the ethnic groups. --Khoikhoi 00:12, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Merhaba

Merhaba! Sanırım sende pek çoğumuz gibi bunlardan sıkıldın.Birkaç Anti-Türkçünün bize karşı yaptığı bu çifte standarda karşı işbirliği yapmaya ne dersin? Inanna 00:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Despite what you think, I'm not Anti-Turk Inanna. --Khoikhoi 00:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Was I talking to you?...You should learn Turkish if you want to know what i'm talking about...Inanna 00:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't have to know Turkish to know what "Anti-Türkçünün" means. --Khoikhoi 00:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

How do you know that i'm talking about you? Inanna 00:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Who else would it be about? Hectorian? --Khoikhoi 00:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

As i said...Learn Turkish. Inanna 00:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Evet! --Khoikhoi 00:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

What shall i do?! You're going to understand what i've told! :))))) Metb82, sorry about that...Inanna 00:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

You said recently about me in Turkish "I should tell you that the user who warned you is originally a Torah worshipper from the USA (I'm telling you this way so they cannot figure out, I hope you understood)" Guess what? I figured it out! :) --Khoikhoi 00:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh...how quickly did you learn?...Khoikhoi, the all i've spoken at here.I am not corresponding by e-mail as you do at all times.It looks your masonry works well...Inanna 00:48, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I use email to talk about a main issue that's unrelated to you, believe it or not. --Khoikhoi 00:50, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

So explain us how did you translate it? Inanna 01:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Good question. --Khoikhoi 01:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it will be a better question if it is replied. Inanna 01:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Aynen; mesela ben Kıbrıslı Türklerle ilgili sayfada, Kıbrıslı Türklerin kendilerini farklı gördüklerini falan yazdı.Hem de hiçbir dayanak olmadan.Amacı bizi kötü göstermek.Gerçi onların taktiği budur; Medya aracılığı ile işleri yürütmek.Herneyse, benim yahoo'dan hesabım; aygul_papatya.Ancak pek sık kontrol edemiyorum...Inanna 23:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

İstanbul

Rica ederim. Yardımcı olabildiysem sevindim. İstanbul ve Türkiye hakkında önümüzde çok daha işimiz var. Saygılar Bertilvidet 14:10, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Hagia Sofia

I just saw your edit in Istanbul.was there any proposal of anyone to reconvert Hagia Sofia to a church?really,i am unaware of such an idea...--Hectorian 15:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

• Ofcourse this is not an official proposal not by muslims nor christians. If you have problem with this,you can erase the whole thing if you want. (Metb82 15:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC))

I do not have any problem with this,i was just curious.But since there has not been made an official claim by neither muslims nor christians,i do not think that the the ideas of a handful of people should be mentioned here.i am removing it,if u do not mind...--Hectorian 15:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

ofcourse i dont mind go ahead. (Metb82 15:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC))

adana

Selam,

Adana ili ilgili sayfada bir sorunum var. birkaç editor tabi kim olduklarını biliyorsunuz, ermenilerle iligi olayları uzun uzadıya anlatıryorlarken, bende adana da turklere karşı girişilen olayları belgeleriyle birlikte ekledim ancak durmadan siliyorlar. tek başıma bir etkisi olmuyor, yardımcı olursanız cok memnun olurum.

--TuzsuzDeliBekir 20:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

3RR violation at Cyprus

Hi, you violated the three-revert rule on Cyprus. I have disabled your editing permissions for 31 hours. Please read our guide on dispute resolution during the time you are unable to contribute to Misplaced Pages. Feel free to return after your block expires, but take your differences to the talk page and please refrain from edit warring. Cheers, —Ruud 00:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Turkey

Merhaba WikiProject Turkey isminde bir proje önerisinde bulundum. Öneri olarak en az 5-10 kişi varsa projeye başlamanın daha uygun olacağı söyleniyor. Türkiye ile ilgilenen her kullanıcıya bu mesajı yolluyorum. Gözümden kaçan bu proje ile ilgilenebilecek aktif kullanıcı olursa sizde bildirin. Geçici proje sayfası bu User:Ugur Basak/WikiProject Turkey, bu sayfayada ilgilenmek isterseniz adınızı ekleyebilirsiniz. Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Turkey --Ugur Basak 14:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Cyprus and your vandalism

Dude, you need to CHILL OUT. Your picture that you keep trying to force-feed down onto the Cyprus pages is ALREADY FEATURED ON ANOTHER PAGE IN WIKIPEDIA. CHILL OUT. And stop the unnecessary reverts and edits. By reading your discussion page, I see that all you do is go around and violate Wiki rules and policies. Keep it up, and you will be BANNED. Rarelibra

acil yardım

Senden bir ricam olacak. Turkish Kurdistan isimli sayfayı silip Kurds in Turkey adlı bir sayfaya yönlendirme yapılması için oy toplanıyor. Syrian Kurdistan sayfası silindi ancak Turkish Kurdistan sayfası için cok fazla kullanıcı bir araya geldi. Sende oy vermek istermisin ?

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan

Düzenlenmesini istediğimiz ve ortak hareket etmemiz gereken konuları burada tartışalım -->Talk:Türk Kullanıcılar.Böylece zaman kaybetmemiş ve tüm konulardan haberdar olmuş oluruz.Senden ricam bildiğin tüm kullanıcıları bunlardan haberdar etmen.Okuduktan sonra da lütfen sil ki gizli kalsın...Inanna 21:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Khoikoi

I voted already, thanx. How come u contact me on this matter:)? Luka Jačov 15:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC):

Accidentally saw that you were a victim of Khoikhoi also. :) (Metb82 15:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC))

Thanx for notifying me. I further notifyed some other users who may have objections to Khoikhoi's neutrality. Regards --Realek 17:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Yetişemedim

Teşekkürler. Oy veremeden geri aldı adaylığını. --levent 20:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi's RFA

Hello. It was discovered that on 26 March you have posted a message to around 30 users informing them that Khoikhoi was nominated for adminship and describing him in an unfavourable manner. Some discussion of your actions has taken place, all who participated agreed that they were unacceptable.

In fact, a handful of users you had contacted have voted against Khoikhoi; it's possible that his RFA would have failed without your intervention; what bothers me is the way you chose to proceed. Normally, when you have serious worries about the user, you state your opinion (you may need the proof of your words) and try to persuade other participant of the RFA that the candidate shouldn't be promoted. Your "negative campaigning" is a different story.

Please also be aware that RFA is not strictly a vote, and bureaucrats can discount votes at their discretion.

Also, I'd like to note that you have not violated any of the existing rules (as far as I can see). But in my opinion you have used a dirty trick in an attempt to ruin a nomination and that's against the spirit of RFA.

Two more notes: first, the fact that you've used Turkish in your messages can be viewed as an attempt to hide your actions. Second, I haven't supported (or opposed) Khoikhoi at that RFA, and I'm not taking sides in any dipsutes you may have had with him.

Conscious 14:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. You must be having hard times here; and I am sorry to see again that for some people Misplaced Pages is a battleground. Conscious 18:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Merhaba, Kürtler sayfasında gerçekte 6 milyon olan Türkiye'de ki kürt azınlık nüfusu hiçbir kaynak göstermeden 15 milyon gibi şişirme bir rakamda tutulmak isteniyor.Yardım edebilirmisin lütfen? Inanna 19:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Poll

There is a poll going on about the Republic of Macedonia article. If you want, you can vot here --Dipazi 02:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Gr-Tr board

Hello! Are you still interested in the Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation? I think we have mustered enough people to get this started, but since it's been quite some time, it would be nice to have a confirmation by the people who have shown interest, before going official. Please leave a note (affrimative or negative) in the proposed project talk page. --Michalis Famelis 16:53, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Kardeş Şehirler

Slm, Metb82. Istanbul'un kardeş şehirlerini sen mi düzenledin? Eğer bunlarla ilgileniyorsan, bu sayfa http://arsiv.hurriyetim.com.tr/hur/turk/98/06/08/dizi/01diz.htm yardımcı olabilir. Ben Ankara'nınkileri ekledim. Tabi bu biraz eski, 98 tarihli, bir de mesela Ankara için Paris ve Helsinki de yazılmıştı ancak bunlar Ankara ile ilgili diğer kaynaklarda (2002 tarihli) yoktu. Zaten Helsinki'ye Danimarka dedikleri için biraz güvenimi de kaybettiler. :) Yani diğer şehirlerde (özellikle İstanbul, İzmir) hata olabilir. Ama ilgileniyorsan işine yarayabilir.--System Halted 17:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Turkish terrorists

Hi. "Useless category" is not a valid reason for the speedy deletion of a category. I have therefore removed the speedy tag. Perhaps if you think the category should be deleted, you could try Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion? Thanks. Proto||type 08:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Muğla and Çukurova

Merhaba, ismi lazım değil yöneticiliği kılpayı farkla kaçıran bir kullanıcı ile iyi anlaşıyorsunuz bakıyorum. Notumu bu şamata kapsamında değerlendirmek isteyebilirsiniz belki diye yazıyorum. Since I am from Muğla and I arranged the historical name aspect of the city's article, please do not change it again. On the other hand, I saw that Çukurova was directed to Cilicia. But Cilicia consisted of a mountainous part (Taşeli Yarımadası - Taşeli Peninsula), and a flat part, some of which is today Çukurova. But I think Çukurova deserves a separate article because it became what it is after the 19th century when the marshes were dried, land was gained from the sea, the rivers dammed and malaria eradicated. Or perhaps, Cilicia should direct to Çukurova. --Cretanforever 22:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Editing userpages

Your edit of User:Khoikhoi's userpage was vandalism and completely unacceptable behaviour. In future, please avoid making personal attacks and instead concentrate on making useful contributions. Green Giant 07:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Turkish terrorists

Hello again. Again, please do not try and speedy this category. Continued edits of this nature are considered disruptive. Please consider taking the category to WP:CFD. Best, Proto||type 10:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

You have been blocked for a period of 48 hours for edits such as this and this. Misplaced Pages has a strict policy of no personal attacks, which includes making hateful comments against peoples of an entire country. If you choose to return after your block expires, please be more respectful of other people and users. --InShaneee 22:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi

I’m the user that was formerly known as Bitola. I decided to make some changes (changes are always welcomed from time to time) and I created a new user account. I was pretty much involved in the Macedonian articles heated area for several months and these days I will take some rest from all that bickering. In the same time, I would like to thank you for your voting for the brief option on the Republic of Macedonia talk page (the option I was supporting). MatriX 17:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

merhaba

Misplaced Pages'yı genel olarak kullanışlı bir bilgi kaynağı olarak görmeme karşın Türkiye ile ilgili birçok konuda Batılı(!) bir önyargı olduğunu üzülerek görüyorum. Ermeni sorununun ya da Kıbrıs konusunun tartışmalı olmasını doğal karşılamak gerek ancak PKK ile ilgili maddeler sürekli engelleniyor; (zaten var olan) terör kurbanları kategorisi altında PKK tarafından öldürülen sivillere (öncelikle öğretmenlere) yer vermeye çalışıyorum ancak PKK'nın terörist olara nitelendirilmesi bile engelleniyor. Bu konuda yardımlarınızı bekliyorum. bkz:User talk:Cool Cat Yasemin Tekin --Hattusili 06:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Music of Turkey

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. --InShaneee 18:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

i wasnt reverting as u see just fixing the article back. i didnt know fixing the articles from vandalism could be considered 3rr. also the vandalism was over 3 hours ago. (Metb82 18:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC))

The only revert acception is for SIMPLE vandalism, such as someone adding curse words to an article. What was going on here was a content dispute, where the appropriate course of action is to discuss the matter on the talk page, rather than constantly trying to revert back to your version. Also, editing from an IP instead of just your username does not 'reset' your number of reverts, and is frowned upon, anyway. --InShaneee 18:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

85.97.8.133 is NOT me and not my ip either. Please check my ip that im always using, u will understand that my ip is different. (Metb82 18:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC))

Oh sorry yes thats my ip, i thought you were talking about the similar ip that was editing the article right after me. But i never logged out and edited that article with my ip number 85.97.8.133. I dont understand why you think i did such a thing? i only reverted that article 3 times, the others were not reverting and i also suggested the issue to be discussed before u blocked me. (Metb82 18:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC))

Actually, I was refering to User:59.144.164.185. The fact is, you have used sockpuppets in the past, hence my suspicion. When I say 'discussion', I mean 'discussion', not 'revert and tell everyone else to discuss'. The 3RR is a guideline, and users may be blocked for making less than 3 reverts in a day if those reverts are disruptive and show a pattern of edit-warring. --InShaneee 19:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i admit i have used sockpuppets in the past but i swear i will never use again. But please help me next time i need your help in an article because as you know there are many people that has bad intentions about the articles relating to Turks and if we dont modify them,wikipedia will look like a racist website. I dont mean you have to agree with me on that article but please take time to listen to me if i send you a message thats why i dont have to revert it. Thank you (Metb82 00:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC))

I will listen to your messages, and I will attempt to help if a discussion gets out of hand (with revert wars and such), but you need to help to. Firstly, if your content (or your reverts) are being reverted, that means someone obviously disagrees with the content, so you should go to the talk page and discuss why you think certain things should or shouldn't be there. Discussion and cooperation is the ONLY way disputes like this can be resolved. --InShaneee 17:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Diyarbakır

Nüans farkını anladım:) Böyle daha iyi. O sayfadaki 2005 nüfus rakamları doğru mu? Teyiden soruyorum. --Cretanforever 01:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

nüfusu nasıl istiyosan yapabilirsin ama sert bir dille yazarak tahrik,kimseye bi şey kazandırmaz ters tepki yaratabilir. bu bir avuç bölücüye, sadece türklerin değil,bizlerle yaşayan kürt vatandaşların da bizler kadar karşı çıkmaları gerektiğini,onları rencide etmeden nazik bir dille hatırlatmamız gerekiyor. anlayışın için saol. (Metb82 02:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

Azerbaijan

Hey man, I noticed you can speak Azeri, so you must have some knowledge about it. Perhaps you would also be interessed in joining the Azeri Wikiproject at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Azeri

Just check it out and let us know. Baku87 17:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Baku87

Ottoman Architecture..

If you are an architect, instead of deleting the link to Ottoman Architecture page from the Ottoman Empire page, why not improve that page. If you do not I can do it..., But do not revert the edits that are constructive...--OttomanReference 22:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

alright im readding the paragraphs you erased then.. (Metb82 22:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

WP:CITE

In regards to this edit of yours, please note that Misplaced Pages needs . Also, please don't edit-war.

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Jkelly 01:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Adana

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but if you take a look at the Encyclopædia Britannica article, it says, "The articles in the Britannica are commonly considered accurate, reliable, and well-written, and it continues to be widely consulted as a work of general reference." —Khoikhoi 01:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

ofcourse it will say that. It is the source itself. (Metb82 01:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

Um, no - Britannica.com is the source itself. And besides, Misplaced Pages and Britannica have somewhat of a competition going on. —Khoikhoi 02:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

dont forget the scheme of civilizations Khoikhoi. (Metb82 02:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)=

I'm not sure what you're inferring - are you saying that EB is biased towards the West? —Khoikhoi 02:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

im not sure what EB is (Metb82 02:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

Encyclopædia Britannica. —Khoikhoi 02:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

ofcourse. you are just playing in your playground here, but dont forget that one day it will be our playground.. (02:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

What's that supposed to mean? —Khoikhoi 02:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

it means everything that you do is two faced..although its my ancestors that saved yours from the holocaust. such a shame. (Metb82 02:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

No one saved my relatives from The Holocaust, the ones that were lucky immigrated to America before WWI, and as for the ones that stayed in Europe, most of them perished. My family has had nothing to do with Turkey, Greece, or basically anything in the Balkans. —Khoikhoi 03:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

You are wrong. first of all, the Turks saved Jews from spain from the moorish kingdom of andalucia, and then the sephardic jews in France and Germany from the holocaust with a stupid reason like they were Turkish citizens. Oh also from the Nazi's in crete. Read more before you have an opinion on something. Btw its even humiliating to defend myself against you like this. see Necdet Kent, Namik Kemal Yolga and Selahattin Ulkumen forexample. If you say nobody helped your ancestors, that would be a big mistake. (Metb82 03:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

First off, I'm not Sephardic, I'm Ashkenazi. I have no connections to the Sephardim, except for the fact that we're both Jews. We have different traditions for one thing, and it is certainly not my opinion.

Secondly, why are you trying to show Turks as "protectors of the Jews"? There were rightous gentiles for example from more than one country. It wasn't just Turks.

Yes, of course non-Jews helped out Jews in times of persecution, but when my great-grandfather's brothers and sisters were sent to Auschwitz, did the Turks come and save them? —Khoikhoi 03:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

you sound like the Armenians and Greeks came to save them. Im just asking you to stop being two faced about these issues. You add Adana massacre or things about Galatasaray. But you are forgetting the massacres against Turks in Cyprus and Salonica. I know you wont admit that you are actually against Turks but you are. I was just trying to speak to your heart but i see that its too late for that. Well i dont know the motivation behind these actions of yours, but its clear that i wont be able to learn them from you (Metb82 03:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

I never forgot about them at all, the only reason I've been adding Adana massacure and Galatasaray is because you've been removing them! Somehow because of this I'm a Türk karşıtı kullanıcı? You attempted to delete the Armenian Genocide page today, so the people that reverted you are anti-Turks as well? —Khoikhoi 03:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

well if this is all about me removing things, why do you remove everything i type about these issues. Lets not fool each other. Ofcourse i attemted to delete it because there is not enough source. Believe me im not trying to save anything in the genocide issue, all i want is the truth. I will even give half of what i have to armenian families if this is correct. And about the Anti-Turk, i prefer Anti-Muslim coz most people in EU and US hate us coz we are muslims forgetting that we are living in a secular country thats not really different from their values. Oh Btw, i dont believe in religion either. (Metb82 03:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

Your "Greek Barbarism" source wans't exactly, neutral per se. You claim EB is eurocentric, but it's nothing compared to the source you provided. As for the Armenian Genocide, the fact that 21 countries call it a "genocide" proves that the page shouldn't be deleted. What you see as the truth is seen by others as your POV. I'm not anti-Muslim, nor am I anti-Turk. —Khoikhoi 04:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

those 21 countries just prove my point. but im not stupid, i knew that genocide page wasnt going to be erased. Dont accuse me of it like i personally tried to erase the whole page. (Metb82 04:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

Out of curiosity, how do they prove your point? Although you didn't nominate it for deletion, you voted to speedy it, which doesn't really make much of a difference. —Khoikhoi 04:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Regarding this edit: Comments such as these are considered personal attacks. As you already know, these are unnacceptable, and if you continue making such attacks, you may be temporarily blocked from editing again. --InShaneee 03:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

yes you are so cool, i adore you (Metb82 03:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC))

çukurova

Selam,

Cok yogun değilsen, Çukurova sayfasının yönlendirilmesini kaldırıp, Çukurova sayfasını editlermisin. Bugunlerde Adana ile biraz ugraşmam gerekecek. Sonra Çukurova sayfasına döncem. Ne biçim bir saçmalık bu ya. Biz gidip selanik sayfasını yönlnedirsek ne olur acaba ? ikincisi buraya gelecek olanlar Cilicia neresi diye sorsunlar bakem kim dönüp yüzlerine bakıyor. --TuzsuzDeliBekir 21:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

tabi abi sorun değil, ama tam anlamadım ne yapmam gerektiğini. bu arada 3r ve nezaket kuralına dikkat edelim bikaç admin var peşimizde :) (Metb82 00:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC))

Images

Hello, it looks like you have uploaded some images recently that say that they are free for any use provided that there is attribution. The images however seem to come from a number of different sources, and the websites you list don't obviously license the images in the way you are claiming. If you have some more information about these images it would help us to know that the copyright is correct. If you are just getting these images from places online and don't have any other contact with the creators this tag is probably incorrect. If you have any questions let me know. - cohesion 00:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi thanx for notifying me but actually i did take permission for the last 2 images( 1: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Zeytinyagli_yaprak_sarms.jpg and 2: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/46164656_d545563453_o.jpg from the websites of 1: http://www.portakalagaci.com and second from Başak Gürbüz Derman from lezzetinizinde.blogspot.com as written in the end of the page which says you have to take permission. but i didnt get a permission from the Pastirma photo and since it is on the governmental website im thinking its a kind of fair use but didnt know which tag to use actually. (Metb82 00:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC))

Oh, that's good about the other two, for the Turkish government image, as far as I know, Turkey doesn't give images etc away under public domain, so the image would be copyrighted. It's also not really fair use because anyone could take an image of that, see fair use for a better explanation of it. A quick example would be, if you are talking about a company logo that is copyrighted, but in order to discuss it you need to show an example. A picture of some food wouldn't be in this category because you are just using the image as an example of the food, which anyone could take a photo of. If you have any other questions or that doesn't make sense at all let me know :D - cohesion 00:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

ok thanx so much, btw i just got banned for 3rr by Inshanee but i cant see where i reverted more than 3 times. Could you please help me find it? (Metb82 00:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC))

3RR violation

Regarding your recent edits to Abdullah Öcalan:

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. --InShaneee 00:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

can u show me where i reverted more than 3 times a day? (Metb82 00:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC))

See here: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Metb82. --InShaneee 00:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL - I bet you didn't see that coming. Telex 10:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Selam dostum, adana sayfasında bana yardımcı olurmusun ? Muhabbetle--TuzsuzDeliBekir 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

you are damn right i am a denier. normally politicians dont decide about the history. i hope you know what i mean. ;) Metb82 02:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

So what do you think happened? I can sorta understand the claims that the purpose of what happened was not to eliminate the Armenians, but to maintain the peace, but what I don't understand is what's the point in denying it. The Germans don't deny the Nazi crimes, nor do the English deny their doings in the former colonies and Ireland. The blame is on the government who authorised them, not the nation. Telex 16:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I actually dont really know what happened and neither do all these people that accuse me of being a genocide denier. Its not our job to decide the things about the past, the research is still going on between armenian and turkish historians. since it becomes completely clear, i have a right to deny it as much as people who deeply defend it coz they are as ignorant as i am about the subject. Its a shame all these countries already accepted it for armenian votes which makes me think that its a political game which makes me sick. Metb82 16:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it depends on the approach. If some people see it as a game where whoever gets the most countries to recognize the events as genocide, regardless of what happened wins, or if the people in question actually want to find out what happened. I was not pleased with the Armenian government's approach to Erdogan's invitation last year. I would understand it if there were only going to be Turkish and Armenian scholars, but there were going to be international ones as well. Telex 16:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

actually its not about who is international or not. the ugly thing is, the armenian government didnt agree to be a part of the research until their political interests were satisfied which i think is a betrayal to all these people that died in those events. Metb82 16:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: your "thanx"

I'm just leaving a message to wonder why you said "thanx Saposcat :)" ... —Saposcat 11:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

coz i thought you said that i was more reasonable than the permabanned ones. Metb82 16:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe he was talking about Hattusili. —Khoikhoi 16:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Question

Hi, can you please confirm that the name of the Greek city Edessa in Turkish is Edessa like the article currently states (in the "name" section). Telex 19:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually it is Vodine(see here but Edessa is also used. Btw, Edessa is also the ancient name for the modern city of Urfa. Metb82 11:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

OK - thanks. Telex 11:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi

It does seem to me that KhoiKhoi's complaint about you harassing him is essentially correct. Your edit warring. use of open proxies, homophobic taunting and other personal attacks, and your vandalism have been bad enough to get you blocked a few times, and yet you're still attacking him .

Now Khoikhoi is on probation which means he can be banned from editing any article if he is disruptive, so if you do find him editing inappropriately, ask an administrator and let them deal with it under the terms of the probation. But please don't continue to engage in these personal attacks. --Tony Sidaway 00:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern on the matter but i actually didnt have an intention to harrass him. But as you can understand, Khoikhoi is really engaged in a behaviour that is completely unencyclopedic such as placing disputed massacred to pages of the cities (see Adana) which ive never witnessed in any other encyclopedia, placing non official and irrelevant accusations to a turkish football team (see Galatasaray) and a million other things like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kurdistan_Workers_Party&diff=prev&oldid=50258771 which is deleting anything that is not in favor of his POV even if cited. Actually i tried to understand him and tried to be friends with him at first as you can see at the upper of the page, but gave up after seeing he didnt reply back to me on a serious matter that i knew and cited very well which was the identification of the Turkish identity on Turkish people. Actually he is still engaged in edit war although he changed tactics which he notifies his friends in articles that he is close to 3rr such as this. thats why i tried to warn that person in not helping coz Khoikhoi isnt even warned for doing that. But as you can see im not even into edit wars with him and just left the adana page and many others like it is, which also makes me sorry because it IMHO degrades wikipedia as an encyclopedia. Metb82 10:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Great Work !

Your addition (more than adition; it is new page) on Architecture section is great. Do you know anything about a project (goverment) to index the architectural collections based on their locations? Is it finished? Is it accessible?--OttomanReference 04:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

thanx but i am not aware of such a list. even if there was,i think there would be millions of things in the list but ill try to find out anyway. Metb82 09:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Türk Giritliler

İzmir'de Türk Giritliler derneği var. Ellerinde zengin bir bilgi belge kaynağı mevcut. Ayrıca İzmir Life isimli bir dergi var İzmir'de yayınlanan...O derginin bir sayısında birkaç sayfalık bir makale çıktı. Bunların dışında da pek çok kaynak olması lazım diye düşünüyorum. Turkish Cretans sayfasını ben başlattım, ama henüz geliştiremedim. Türkiye veya Türkler hakkında yazılan zırvalara yetişmeye çalışmaktan kendi makalelerimizi geliştiremiyoruz. Halil Berktay zibidisinin makalesine de bir not ekledim Giritlilerle ilgili, aklıma gelmişken onu da yazayım. Benim baba tarafım Giritli, Yerepetre'den (Ierapetra) gelmişler, Muğla'ya yerleşmişler. Sizinle 3 Giritli oldu. User: Smyrniot da hemşerimiz:) (giden Türklerin hepsi asker değildi ama, artı yerli halkla kaynaşma oldu) --Cretanforever 22:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ben de başarısız sayılmam Allah'a şükür. Doğru zekiyiz ve şeytan tüyümüz var:) Derbeder Giritli görmedim bugüne kadar:) Ama bence örgütlenme açısından zayıfız, çünkü fazla ferdiyetçiyiz. Olacaksa örgütlenelim ama ben Türkiye için yapalım derim :)

Bir Arnavut kız arkadaşım vardı (Türkiye Arnavutu). Arnavut dediysem, yüzde yüz Arnavut, o kadar Arnavut olunabilir yani. Bir de oraların (Kosova kökenliydi) soylu bir ailesine mensup, biliyorsanız onlarda çok önemli aile şeceresi. "Sen şimdi Türk müsün Arnavut musun?" diye sormuştum, o da "ben de bu soruyu zamanında babanneme sormuştum" demişti. Babannesi de, "Kızım, biz Arnavutuz ama, ata ocağımızdaki devlet bize 'siz bizden sayılmazsınız, gidebileceğiniz yer varsa gidin' demişti, biz de, 'siz bizdensiniz, yeriniz neresiyse orada kalın ve yerinizi savunun' diyen ülkeyi tercih ettik" demiş.

Üstelik benim zihniyetim savunmadan ziyade hücuma dayalı bir bakış tarzı. Öncelikle zeki olmak lazım tabi...:) abgirgin@gmail.com --Cretanforever 23:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

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Millet Section

I was wondering if you see any problem in removing the second, third and fourth paragraphs from the Millet Empire page and keeping the first and last paragraph. These paragraphs are covered the page of millet, and there is a ->Main|Millet (Ottoman Empire) that points to that page at the top of the section. If you look at the whole Empire article this section is the longest. My question is within two paragraphs do we managed to give the spirit of the concept. {ps: goal is to make reading the Empire page easier, giving appropriate links} Thanks.--OttomanReference 18:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It has been 3 days, I'm moving these parags to thier own page... Hope you will continue adding more facts at its page. thanks.--OttomanReference 14:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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External links

It doesn't matter if it's a photo gallery, the person is still using Misplaced Pages as a vehicle to promote the website. See Misplaced Pages:Spam#External_link_spamming. They are more than welcome to upload the images, but spamming articles is not allowed. —Khoikhoi 06:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

There are for example a lot of (commercial) photo gallery links or websites that aren't deleted. And this site (WorldTurkey.com) is. Very strange. The main reason why I'm adding this gallery is because it does show 'modern' places of the cities. The daily city life. This is important for people that want to know how the city and the people look like in stead of the stereotype photos of shoe polishers. There are enormous bunch of links that are commercial on Turkish citypages, and only a non-profit photo pagelinks are deleted. Misplaced Pages must delete it all or give permission to add this link too. That I added links to some pages doesn't make it spam. It's, I say it again, a non-profit photo gallery.

So please delete all the links on each Turkish city page or give permission to add a informative photo gallery link.

who is this? please sign in Metb82 00:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

He's right. Spamming external links in the manner that these were added is against policy. --InShaneee 00:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Please stop adding spam links. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. --InShaneee 00:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

they are not spam links, just photo pages and all the world cities in wikipedia have those. Metb82 00:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

They are spam links, and adding them to dozens of articles at a time is spamming. --InShaneee 00:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

ok lets take a look at examples then. Photos from Fethiye Pictures of the city İzmir Guide and Photo Album what part of these do you think is considered as spam? oh by the way, im not adding anything new, they were there for years. Metb82 00:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok I get it. —Khoikhoi 18:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

But I think worldturkey shouldn't be on all the pages, just like 5 or so. What do you think? —Khoikhoi 18:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

ok no problem. Metb82 18:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

wowturkey.com

Hi,

It seems the wowturkey images are at risk of being deleted. User:Paddu has said that we need to contact wowturkey and ask them to change their license to make the images completely free - do you have contact with the wowturkey admins to request this? --A.Garnet 13:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

yes i had reached them before, ill try again now. but you can also help me ill appreciate it. thanx Metb82 18:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I would met, but my Turkish is not so good. It would be a shame to have them all deleted, not least because they are probably some of the best pictures on Misplaced Pages. --A.Garnet 20:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, this is the message Paddu left on my page:

You need to ask them to release the images to Misplaced Pages under a licence that allows everybody to copy, modify and distribute the images commercially or noncommercially, in the spirit of the GFDL. Any of the licences listed at WP:ICT#Free licenses is OK. You can see Misplaced Pages:Boilerplate request for permission to get an idea. As I have already said too many times, having a free licence can in no way limit the permission just to Misplaced Pages. Everybody is allowed to copy/modify/distribute/make money out of these photos. -- Paddu 17:05, 29 May 2006

The thing is, if we ask them to make a special policy for Misplaced Pages, they have to understand that people can get free image by taking the image from Misplaced Pages instead of wowturkey.com - i think we have to make this clear to them. --A.Garnet 18:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:ABr

Oh well. We obviously can't use that tag as of now. I got really irritated and blurted out a response at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Turkey, but please clarify if what you meant is "using that tag straight away" (which is what I thought) or "asking wowturkey.com to licence under this tag".

BTW, thanks for pointing out the {{ABr}} tag to me. I really wonder if such licences are considered "free enough" since they don't seem to bother about the rights to modification and use of modified versions of the images. I've raised this issue at Misplaced Pages talk:Image copyright tags#"Any-purpose" copyrights truly "any-purpose"?. -- Paddu 20:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Copied the above from User talk:Paddu. I mistakenly added that to my talk page. -- Paddu 21:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Met, as you can see Template:ABr is now modified to show its unclear status. I also moved it to WP:ICT#Images of unknown usability. -- Paddu 20:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

wowturkey.com (contd.)

Hi met, thanks for your effort. We just have to make explicit that Misplaced Pages lets out its images to commercial organisations such as www.answers.com who copy straight from Misplaced Pages without permission - therefore any images from wowturkey have to be granted commercial use without the need for permission, that seems to be main issue. Paddu, i think met was suggesting we create a similar template for wowturkey images which state something like "these images can be used comemrcially and non-commercially provided the wowturkey.com logo remian on the pictures." Like you say, it is not easy for them to release commercial rights to all images, so maybe we can ask that images already existing on wikipedia be released completely - and any future ones only with the permission of the photographer to be completely released. I dont know, I should have studied law, would have been much easier! --A.Garnet 21:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Met, Paddu left me a helpful link here: tr:GNU Özgür Belgeleme Lisansı - its an article in Turkish explaining the free license required by Misplaced Pages. Maybe you could point the wowturkey admins towards it if they are confused over what it means. Thanks, --A.Garnet 23:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Met, sorry to keep bothering you. Has there been any feedback from wowturkey? I think if we get no reply, then we should try and negotiatie a fixed number of pictures that they could release for us. Maybe this would be the best option. Thanks, --A.Garnet 13:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Met, can you summarise in English what is happening at , and ? -- Paddu 16:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Here

I was looking the Commons for panoramas for my talk page, and I just though you might like this:

—Khoikhoi 03:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

this is taken from the apartment near mine lol. thanx Metb82 17:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages tüm lisaslı ve bedava kullanıma açık resimlerin yayınlanmasına izin verir. wowturkey.com ile ilgili bir problemin yaşanacağını zannetmem çünkü en çok işe yarayan kaynaktır. Eklediğim tüm fotoğraflar Türkiye'nin çağdaş yüzünü gösteren fotoğraftar fakat nedense bu fotoğraflardan sizin gibi rahatsız olan kişilerde var. Ben ekleme yapaken, makaleyi okuyanların Türkiye adına olumlu düşünmeleri için çabalıyorum. Benim koyduğum fotoğraflar çok daha iyi ve üzgünüm her zaman, ısrarla İYİ olanlarını ko-ya-ca-ğım!

Thanks

Okay, I didn't know that. Therefore I'm going to continue info-fighting tomorrow :)

Sincerely, Zaparojdik

İçmeler

Metb, bu fotoğrafın () Marmaris İçmeler olduğuna emin misin? Ben benzetemedim. Kale'nin mahallesine benziyor ama kale silüetini de seçemedim. Turkish Riviera sayfasına koymuşsun. Antalya sayfasına da Setur Marina ile Adoport'un web sitelerini bağlantı olarak koyuyorum. Marinalar önemli ve ilgi çeker. Selam. Cretanforever

Regards to this comment

Is this to me or someone else? —Khoikhoi 00:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

umm thats tombseye but if you are talking about my comment there, it was to Miskin who claims we are not speaking the same language. Metb82 00:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I must've copied the wrong link. Anyways, you might also try his talk page. —Khoikhoi 00:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil

Have you heard of this guy before? I heard lot of Uyghurs tried to get asylum in Turkey. —Khoikhoi 02:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Kemal Atatürk sayfasının Mustafa Kemal Atatürk olarak değiştirilmesi oylaması

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Allah :)

Hi, I am anti-Muslim. Got a problem with it? Try and debate me and prove that Islam is a religion of peace, it is nothing more than a cover for war.

im not anti jewish nor a muslim. That sentence in Jews is the same with the definition in Turkish people, which is

The term Turk had negative connotations in Europe that were established during the Crusades and the period of Ottoman expansion. It was used interchangeably with the term Muslim and generally had such derogatory connotations as infidel and savage. It is a neutral term related to ethnicity in Turkic languages.

added there by a Jewish person named user:Khoikhoi. I just wanted it to be equal. Metb82 18:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Turkey

Hi, Can you keep an eye on the Turkey article? Some anti-Turkish chauvanists are trying to insert some extremely POV sentences about Turkey's history on there, concerning armenians, the cyprus operation etc. This has been going on for some time now. Thank you.--Kilhan 17:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

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Gelmek

Oy!

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