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Some of these conversations are copied from my former talk page, User talk:JBJ830726. --Ephilei 19:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Password Request

I received an email that I requested my password be sent to my inbox, but I made no such request. (???) --JBJ830726 18:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Caelestius

Hello, good work on Caelestius, and thanks for the contribution. However, you forgot to add any references to the article. Keeping Misplaced Pages accurate and verifiable is very important, and there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. What websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Caelestius? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? Thank you very much. - SimonP 05:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Caelestius Updated

Hi! Fresh from the update on Pelagius, I tackled the article on Caelestius tonight. The note said it lacked context, so I fleshed it out and added religious context, taking care to remember that non-Christians (and non-theologians!) were going to read this article. Let me know what you think! Nhprman 05:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Gospel of Barnabas

I have added a few chapter references to your suggested bullets on anachronisms - and corrected what I took to be imprecisions and errors. I amnot sure that this material adds a great deal though, as much is already found in the links to Islamic and Christian polemical sites. Demonstrating that the GOB contains anachronisms is in no way a refutation of the thesis of some Muslim commentators that it ought to be preferred to the canonical Gospels. It is axiomatic in Islam that all Christian Gospels are corrupt, except where they conform to the Qur'an. Hence the GOB is not claimed to be free from later corruption, just less corrupt than the canonical gospels. TomHennell 14th Jan 2006

Blu-ray Disc

Just wanted to ask, the outdated info you removed (at least with Sony releasing Blu-ray recorders in Japan) did happen, didn't it? I mean, I thought they had some expensive set-top Blu-ray recorder they released in Japan that used caddies for the media (and would actually be incompatible with the final Blu-ray disc format we'll see (hopefully) this year; but it's still interesting from an historical perspective). I believe you were correct to remove the other info about LG Electronics though. Feel free to respond here or on my talk page BTW. —Locke Cole • t • c 01:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Haman(Islam) article

I just wanted to let you know that I sharply disagree with your edits. I don't have time to discuss them with you right now, so, will not revert your edits at the moment. But will get back to you soon. --Aminz 07:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

K. Wow, that was fast. --JBJ830726 07:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I am ready to talk. If you would like to revert some of my edits before discussing them, that's fine. I am ready to talk. Please let me know what passages do you disagree most. I need to go somewhere now, but will be back in an hour. thx. --Aminz 06:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for my delay in answering your comments on the talk page of Haman. I'll get back to you soon. --Aminz 22:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Username change

Hi JBJ,

Please put your request at Misplaced Pages:Changing username. Thanks! Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 16:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply

I think you were requesting the talk page be deleted, someone else beat me to it, please let me know if that wasn't what you were looking for -- Tawker 02:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Bible as Myth

I saw your objection to the deletion on Tawker's page - You may want to review these articles: Higher criticism, Textual criticism, Criticism of the Bible (has the non-NPOV conforming tag, or Biblical studies as a starting point - wikipedia adequately covers scholarly discussion of the bible. Trödel 14:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks a lot! --JBJ 18:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Bible verses

There was an acrimonious debate about the inclusion of individual Bible passages which resulted in a consensus that only those passages which are independently notable should have separate articles. If there is a passage which is independently notable (be it a chapter, a couple of verses or half a book), please do ensure that you provide the context for its independent notability. An article for the sake of having one on each chapter in a given book is likely to cause problems. Just zis Guy you know? 20:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Global Reserve Bank Deleted..:-(

Hi,

Thanks for your support in this voting... somehow it was deleted and I dont understand how it could be with so many Keep votes and so pore arguments for delete?? Do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Global_Reserve_Bank --Swedenborg 19:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion decisions are not strictly democratic, they are based on consensus. I didn't follow the discussion very closely, but the consensus does seem to be delete - simply bc many people gave detailed reasons for deleting and only you gave detailed reassons not to. (Misplaced Pages will always favor the input of many over the input of an individual, even if the individual is more correct.) Rather than contesting this deletion, take the time to improve the article in the way others criticized, including generally lengthening it. Or, I'd advise, choose another area to contribute. --Ephilei 07:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, how is everything? I have been busy and my Wiki work have been low.. Still interested to support you in any questing and votings if needed :-) Have given up on Global Reserve Bank article for now but I realy, realy belive that a link from http://en.wikipedia.org/Ecological_economics (that has developed to a good one) is at least minimum level for GRB presens on Misplaced Pages. Check out http://lellebylle.blogspot.com/ www.grb.net and http://en.wikipedia.org/EcoTheology (one of the articles I have been involved in recently.) --Swedenborg 05:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

List of critics

I simply renamed the group.--CltFn 21:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-notability

Hi, sure I'd be interested in helping draft a proposal. How bout we write it here: Misplaced Pages:Non-notability. I think the essay should include reasons such as people being deturred from wikipedia - I've heard a lot of people are being frustrated into leaving - a couple of the people i've worked with have said they were leaving because of an inhospitable environment.

However, I think this shouldn't be a 100% inclusionist policy for all non-notable articles. If possible, it would be very significant to be able to draw a clear line as to how to differentiate between articles that violoate *other* policies when they are "non-notable". We need to emphasize that non-notable articles in many cases violate official policy, and that *those policies* should be used as grounds for deletion or revision, rather than notability. We should also include quotes from Jim Wales, and other people that actually work at the foundation to support the proposal.

Any other ideas? Fresheneesz 04:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Christian Feminism

There is now an article on Christian Feminism. Please constrain any edits there to ones based on notable sources. Clinkophonist 23:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

of interest

Thought you mind find this MfD of interest. PT 22:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note! A LOT of work? Oh no... :) But seriously, I am open to work on it. It's just an essay, open for other people's opinions and guidelines. Thanks for the link to WP:NNOT. PT 22:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

EI

Why not using EI ?? --Aminz 04:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Just because most people won't recognize what it stands for until visiting the link. If you you want to use EI, explain what it means first. Eg, "The Encyclopedia of Islam (E.I.) says . . . . E.I. also says . . ." --Ephilei 04:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I have done this in the first sentence of this section. --Aminz 04:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

That's fine!--Ephilei 04:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Islamic view on Jesus death

Thanks for reminding me. I actually couldn't grasp the flow of information but now, with my contribution as well in the section, it makes more sense. I'll try not to repeat this mistake. --SaadSaleem 05:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It is very simple. Scholars like Ghamidi and Islahi interpreted the whole event through Quran. They believe that God never allows His Messengers to be dishonored by their enemies, even their dead bodies. Swoon hypothysis is not accepted by any big scholar to my knowledge. Swoon hypothesis is against Qur'an because Qur'an explicitly says that someone else was killed instead of Jesus. So I believe this is very important to mention in the article that Muslims have no two opinions about Jesus' rescue as Qur'an is very clear about that. The only debate is on "Jesus' return", which is subject to whether he was ascended alive or dead (death by natural causes and not by torture by his enemies). Once you are satisfied, I'll return the changes. --SaadSaleem 23:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I added the verse from Qur'an to tell that Qur'an claims that there was God's wisdom behind deceiving the enemies, which we may or may not understand. --SaadSaleem 03:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! If I have anything else to say, I'll post on the Talk page. --Ephilei 08:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

While Surah 4.157-158 are the most often quoted verses and appear to deny his death, several other verses appear to affirm his death. Some scholars like Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and Amin Ahsan Islahi believe that Jesus did indeed die. in the article suggests that opinion of Ghamidi and Islahi are contradictory to verse 4.157-158, which is actually wrong. As these verses only say that Jesus was saved from his enemies and then raised, with which these scholars agree. The real dispute is on the translation of , which then definitely contradicts with many hadith related to Jesus second coming. I think, we need to change the tone of the article a little bit to make it compatible with scholars' writings. SaadSaleem 11:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Might be interested

Ephilei,

We are working on the Manual of Style for "Sources" on Islam related articles in wikipedia here

Your comments there would be appreciated. --Aminz 05:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome.

BTW, re "This has caused some Non-Muslims to believe Jesus was more righteous than other prophets, including Muhammad."; who is more righteous before God, one who sins but then turns back and repents, or one who doesn't sin in the first place ;) You know which parable of Jesus I am talking about... --Aminz 05:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I was talking about the same story and similar ones actually. But the story says: "I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."--Aminz 05:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Domestic behavior in Islam

You may find this interesting. http://www.karamah.org/docs/DomViolfinal.pdf

It is written by Azizah Y. al-Hibri. It is a peer reviewed journal paper and qualifies as WP:RS. It is published here: Al-Hibri, Azizah Y. (2003). "An Islamic Perspective on Domestic Violence". 27 Fordham International Law Journal 195.

Thought it might be useful. --Aminz 06:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you please help protect this article from unfair deletionists?

Hi Ephilei! I found you through Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians. I was hoping if you'd mind lending me a helping hand with International Institute of Management article . On August 10 an unknown person (no signature) marked it for deletion. Then —Ben FrantzDale conducted a good faith google search for “international institute of management” and it did not return a top result. – Which led him to support the deletion marking. Two other users followed saying that the website was not notable and the institute claims non-verifiable international connections. However, I have conducted a detailed research on IIM website, including IIM research section, press-releases, events and photos, as well as other independent websites and provided evidence of notability and verifiable references. However, my concern is that I’m only one vote against 4 vote and I do not know if any of them will change their mind (human nature!). Therefore, I kindly ask you to verify the links provided in the http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/International_Institute_of_Management and help verify the notability. I’m not asking for anything less than an ethical vote. I’m willing to return the favor and review a similar article.Miro.gal

• Comment Thanks for your help with the article!.

By supporting this article, you re-established my trust in Wiki and assured me that few deletionists cannot control it. You also won me as an active contributor to Wiki. Let me know how I can help :) Miro.gal

• Question What happens next? Does your strong keep vote save the article? Do we need more votes? Who is the final decision maker to keep it or not? and do the tags on the top gets removed and when? Thank you for educating me and let me know if I can return the favor.
• Question

Nickee has created a red banner and negative remarks about the seeking the support of inclusionists. She is creating bad faith. what can we do? Any advice?

IIM

Hi, I looked at the IIM article. I don't know if I'm qualified to vote. It seems like a very confusing situation to me. PT 17:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ibn Khatir and Tabari

As to Ibn Khatir: "you can use the Google cache to access that website. But I think you need to know the full url first; perhaps if you don't, you can guess at what the url should be based on other examples and plug it into Google search and see if it finds a cache link."

As to Tabari: Please ask User:Zora. She should know.

Regards,

--Aminz 04:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Tabari online

It's online only if you read Arabic. The English translation, through SUNY, is only available as printed material. It's not even in my online pay-library, Questia.

If you read Arabic, try .

I don't, dang it. I'll learn Arabic after I learn Hawaiian (which I start in less than a week). Zora 03:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Help on Non-notability

People are trying to get this page (Misplaced Pages:Non-notability) marked as rejected. Please come and contribute on the talk page if you have time. --cfp 17:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Hi! I got your username from the Association Inclusionist Wikipedians. I'm trying to work against a band of linkocrites (see en:User:cochese8). You look as if you're a valuable editor and I could really use some help a great link. I would ask you to review the discussion and vote keep if you agree with the link's value. Thanks for your help! Cochese8 17:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit on your talk page

This was an admin rollback of an internal spam message that was being sent to every user in Category:Inclusionist Wikipedians. In addition to being spam and so unacceptable, the message accidentally placed all of these talk pages in the category. Inappropriate messages are often removed from user talk pages, only less obviously for this sort of spam than for vandalism or personal attacks. —Centrx→talk • 14:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

arbitration relating to NNOT

Hey, I just put together an arbitration case at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Harrassment.2C_talk_page_vandalism.2C_and_non-consensus_changes_to_guideline. I know you're not directly involved with whats going on, but I would appreciate your input - NNOT has been going through tough times btw. Fresheneesz 05:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Politically motivated request for deletion?

Hi, I've seen some of your edits on Exodus International.. Alive in Christ is an ex-gay ministry at Park Street Church affiliated with Exodus International. I wonder if you would be willing to take a look at the article? Thanks. CApitol3 00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)