Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 23:07, 30 July 2017

This user talk page might be watched by friendly talk page stalkers, which means that someone other than me might reply to your query. Their input is welcome and their help with messages that I cannot reply to quickly is appreciated.

If you are discussing an article: I would prefer to use that article's talk page, unless you'd rather not to use that page for some reason, such as commenting on a particular user's edits in semi-privacy. If I leave a message for you: Please respond on your talk page. I'll probably add it to my watchlist, but if I miss something, feel free to leave a talkback. If you leave a message for me: I will most likely respond here. Either add this page to your watchlist or ask me to notify you of a response on your talk page. If I remove your message from my talk page: Please DO NOT re-add the same message, or follow-up with another message - They will be removed again. This is a sign that I am disengaging from contact with you and/or the subject matter. The only exception to further posting is for notices that WP requires be given to inform a user of an ANI or similar discussions. Please limit this talk page to discussions not related to any particular article, those covering a wide range of articles/topics, or personal comments. If you wish to keep a matter confidential, such as discussing personal and/or confidential information, you may use the "E-mail" feature (usually activated!). I will respond in kind unless otherwise requested. This is not for discussing routine matters regarding editing on pages - use the article talk pages for that. Note: Sometimes my crappy ISP may lose my email before I've read it. That's the future of Awful. If you want me to take your opinions and edits seriously, you ought to register. and use that account for all your edits to English WP. Otherwise one never knows who really made the edits, especially in the case of dynamic IP addresses. Also, having a unique body of work in your edit history is helpful to other editors in many positive ways, and shows that you are genuinely committed to WP. For example, you may have unique knowledge or insight on a particular topic, and having a talk page under your username allows other editors to consult you directly for advice on matters in your area of expertise. With a dynamic IP, no one knows how to contact you,so they won't. Note: I reserve the right to decline or withdraw from a situation that is escalating or uncomfortable, without giving a reason, or to take further action through permissable means. This may include removing your messages from my talk page. Note: User talk pages, including mine, are often used by other editors to askn for advice or help in situations that are difficult for them to handle. If another user has mentioned you here in such a situation, please do not bring your arguments here, or attempt to defend yourself. Any such comments maybe removed by me, or by some other editor who watches my page. Please don't re-add the same or similar comments. If you're feel the compulsion to respond everywhere your name is mentioned, even after being asked not to, that's a clear sign of immaturity or worse. Grow up. Misplaced Pages is not therapy. If I mistakenly called your edits as vandalism when I reverted them, it was probably because you did not leave an edit summary. (This also applies to Rollbacks.) Please realize that, in many cases, unexplained edits are indistinguishable from vandalism! If you're here to troll, harass, or vandalize, you will be reverted, probably blocked...and beware the giant dice.

Archives

Archive 1 - October 2006 - March 2007 Archive 2 - April - May 2007 Archive 3 - May - June 2007 Archive 4 - June - July 2007 Archive 5 - August - September 2007 Archive 6 - October - November 2007 Archive 7 - December 2007 - February 2008 Archive 8 - March 2008 - May 2008 Archive 9 - June 2008 - August 2008 Archive 10 - September 2008 - November 2008 Archive 11 - December 2008 - March 2009 Archive 12 - April 2009 - June 2009 Archive 13 - July 2009 - Dec 2009 Archive 14 - Jan 2010 - June 2010 Archive 15 - June 2010 - August 2013 Archive 16 - December 2010 - August 2013 Archive 17 - August 2013 - January 2015 Archive18 - January 2015 - March 2016 Archive19 - April 2016 - present Archive20 - Archive21 -

This page has archives. Sections older than 21 days may be automatically archived by ClueBot III when more than 4 sections are present.

Template:NoBracketBot

BilCat

My bad. I forget to remove flag. ; - ) Wikihistory (talk) 05:53, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Wikihistory: No worries. Misplaced Pages has a fairly steep learning curve, but it can be a very rewarding experience here. - BilCat (talk) 05:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@BilCat:

Should this edit be reverted?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/789733125

Wikihistory (talk) 06:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Wikihistory: I'd say so, yes. - BilCat (talk) 06:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Reliable source

What is a reliable source because i use images of countries using weapons as a reliable source and editors revert it and they say that is not a reliable source. Wikihistory (talk) 08:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Wikihistory: Please read this guideline page, which explains what it means. As far as photos go, an image doesn't prove the country is an official operator of a weapon, only that someone was photographed with a weapon. Feel free to ask me any questions after you've read the linked guideline page. - BilCat (talk) 12:15, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Battle with another editor on Fokker Scourge

I am having a few problems with an enthusiastic but at times very dogmatic editorial colleague on the Fokker Scourge article. If fact, things have reached a pass where some second opinions might be useful. The specific question he is hammering at the moment is that we shouldn't ever say "No. 1 Squadron RAF" (in spite of that being the usual way of putting it) but "1 Squadron" (on the grounds that the "No." is redundant). I wouldn't object to an occasional omission of the "No.", if only for elegant variation, but he has been going right through the article wiping every instance and claiming that "Misplaced Pages is not a source" (which is true enough, but nothing to do with the case). The gentleman concerned has been making dozens of other (mostly very pettifogging) changes to the article - a few have been genuine improvements, and most at least acceptable alternatives but some of which have made clear text obscure, even meaningless. I have let everything he has done that is at all acceptable stand, but the really bad ones I've had to change - usually with a new version rather than a provocative revert.

I was wondering, if you have a moment, if you'd like to have a little look at the Fokker Scourge talk page (go straight to the bottom if you like) and tell me, either here, on my talk page, or even on the talk page of the article if you want to actually buy into the discussion, if I'm being totally unreasonable and should just give up. This is (for a WWI aviation article) quite a high traffic one - and I'd like to leave it in reasonable shape. At least readable, and plain in meaning (two things I value far above brevity for its own sake). --Soundofmusicals (talk) 00:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

That user can be tendentious at times, though not always. I'd personally rather stay out of that one. You can raise the issue at WT:AIR and see if anyone else would like yo weigh in. - BilCat (talk) 01:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion about WT:AIR - can't blame you for not wanting to buy into the argument - mainly mentioned it as I was worried it was ME being an idiot rather than you know who. Of course the article is one I extensively re-wrote some years ago and I hate it being emasculated. Worst possible reason for getting all possessive - which I have tried to avoid. Best wishes anyway! --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

No problem. - BilCat (talk) 02:12, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)

Rgr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.239.208.108 (talk) 04:34, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm

Not interested in edit wars for these things.)You are right.Benniejets (talk) 18:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Coldmail

I've been having browser issues, & I can't seem to get into my email account just now, so... I have a sense you don't want it said on a talk page where there's a record. What you might try is going here & PM PHX1138 (that's me); I can get my PMs there with no trouble. (IDK if you can PM without signing up, tho...) TREKphiler 18:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Trekphiler, I can't at the moment. I know it's hard with this one, but just be careful and don't get yourself trapped in a situation that might get you blocked. That's all I want to say in the open. - BilCat (talk) 19:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thx, but I may already be in one... I can simply take the page off my watchlist, 'cause it's not like it's a subject I'm deeply invested in. I did post a question with User:Parsecboy on it, so maybe he's got something. TREKphiler 19:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Trekphiler, I understand. If you can, don't respond in kind to the trolling there. It's not worth it. - BilCat (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm terrible about not taking troll bait... If I do get slapped, so be it. TREKphiler 19:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Trekphiler, I'm know, I'm not either, but sometimes it helps to have a friend whispering in your ear. I know it helps me. :) Just know others are watching and understand what's going on. - BilCat (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure it'll keep me from doing something stupid, but knowing somebody gets my side is always good to hear. FYI, he's now weighed in on another page, SdKfz 234, where somebody's been changing Germany to Nazi Germany... (Have a look at the history & see why that is an issue...). That one will not come off my watchlist; I created the page, I'm damned if I'll stop watching it because of a trill. (Also FYI, delay in reply's because I've been trying to say away entire for awhile.) TREKphiler 21:29 & 21:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

No problem. - BilCat (talk) 21:32, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Gone fishin'

I took the Arrow off my watchlist before your message. I'm done with that sinkhole for now. TREKphiler 00:28, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok good :) - BilCat (talk) 00:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Thx for the heads up, tho. And the "thank"s. (Sorry to say, tho, now you've replied, you're off the watchlist, too. :( ) TREKphiler 00:37, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

FYI, Andy's bought himself a warning for hounding...& I've gotten away with some stupid stuff I should never have done. My karma must be in amazing shape today. :) TREKphiler 22:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not surprised, and it's long overdue. Hopefully he's not WP:EUI. That's never a good idea. One highly contentious user used to do that regularly, and was finally banned after years of causing grief. I don't miss him at all. - BilCat (talk)

An eye on Blue-water navy

User:Benniejets (I see you have left warnings for edit-warring on his talk page) is now repeatedly removing reliably sourced material from the Blue-water navy article. He has me marked as "anti-italian" for whatever reason and thinks my edits are "propaganda" against his country I suppose (his words). So I don't think he is going to listen to me, regardless of whether Spain and Brazil are listed as Rank 3 in the reliable sources or no. Cheers Antiochus the Great (talk) 22:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

«Unwelcome comments by»Benniejets (talk) 22:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)«removed»

Reliable sources are per Misplaced Pages's guidelines. Mine or your opinions are quite irrelevant in that regard. Antiochus the Great (talk) 22:24, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I'd just removed the page from my watchlist about an hour ago, and probably won't go back. :) Benniejets, don't follow other users who ask for help onto my talk page like that just to continue your arguments. You already attempted to make your case on the talk page, so leave your arguments there. Also, once a user starts making anti-"their country" attacks against good, long-term editors, they have invalidated themselves as a serious editor in my opinion. Any further comments by you in this conversation will be removed unread. - BilCat (talk) 22:39, 30 July 2017 (UTC)