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More photos for aces

{{PD-SDASM}} Hello,

For whatever obscure whim, I returned to Flickr and found another bunch of World War I pilots. If you would care to insert these into articles, here's the list:

Fritz Beckhardt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917878/in/photostream/

Josef Mai = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917544/in/photostream/

Hantlemann is third from left @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917470/in/photostream/

Gustav Dorr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911985/in/photostream/

Heinrich Kroll = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911761/in/photostream/

Oskar Hennrich = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911397/in/photostream/ Karl Bolle = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911101/in/photostream/

Otto Schmidt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911075/in/photostream/

Erik Thomas = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091916220/in/photostream/

Adolf von Tutschek = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910225/in/photostream/

Otto Parschau = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910211/in/photostream/

Friedrich von Roeth = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091915434/in/photostream/

Hans Muller (later Hans Garrelt) = http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/muller1.php

Rudolf Berthold = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091913128/in/photostream/

Hans Berr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907755/in/photostream/

Hans von Adam = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907583/in/photostream/

Hans-Joachim Buddecke (in Ottoman uniform) = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907541/in/photostream/

Friedrich Manschott = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912652/in/photostream/

Karl Allmenroeder = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912566/in/photostream/

Karl Thom = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907169/in/photostream/

Gustav Leffers = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912402/in/photostream/

Max Ritter von Mueller = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907019/in/photostream/

Incidentally, Beckhardt's photo was misidentified as Hermann Gilly, so I removed it from the Gilly article. However, as Gilly never flew a Siemens-Schuckert D.IIInor had a personal insignia of a swastika, it is obviously a (poor) photo of Beckhardt.

I hope you will post these, as I seem to be moderately hopeless at the task.

Georgejdorner (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

And please tell me if you want more.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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(edit conflict) I don't disagree that it does look somewhat "shouty" but I think it is a good practice to try to be very scrupulous about preserving the exact nature of references' information, even down to the punctuation or grammar usage in "cite web" titles. Is there anything within the cite templates (like some sort coding ""...) that would designate the caps as being the way the title is written in the original? In my general Misplaced Pages editing I am very wary of altering anything about a reference, even the ALL CAPS of a newspaper headline or the title conventions that the Congressional Record uses. I think that part of our mandate as editors is to preserve the record of events as they happened, to preserve the historicity of contemporary sources. For instance, Ehrlich's 1979 remarks (or speech/insert into Congress' records) is the earliest mention about Henrietta Lacks from a high-level governmental official that I have seen - I think it is important to preserve them within Misplaced Pages's pages as they appear in the official US Government records. Shearonink (talk) 19:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• We routinely demote Federal Court cases including Supreme Court cases from ALL CAPS to the tile case, see Category:United States Supreme Court cases. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:27, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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Template instructions

The documentation of a particular template applies to implementations of that template - it does not apply to instances of other templates. They are not broad guidelines, they're instructions regarding the specific template. You can't enforce the documentation of one template on articles using another. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

The field name is the same, alma_mater is singular, it means nourishing mother. The field was copied from the person infobox, the discussion is there, no need to have same discussion at the 35 biographical infobox templates. You are aware of the discussion, you participated in it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:28, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

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Take it to the talk page and gain consensus please. These are all biographical templates that use the same standard fields. Alma_mater still has the same meaning no matter where used, and is still singular. Work to gain consensus to change it to Alma_maters like was done for spouse(s). --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:36, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

You would need to get consensus that documentation on one template applies to different templates, because that is not current practice. See WP:TDOC. The documentation of {{infobox person}} applies only to {{infobox person}} according to our standard usage. The onus is on you to get consensus to do otherwise, and until you do you can't impose the documentation of {{infobox person}} on articles that use other templates. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:43, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

• No, you! --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:34, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

• The concept that a template's documentation applies to that template only is already supported by consensus, as demonstrated by the page linked above and by current practice. If you think it should be otherwise, you would need to demonstrate that consensus had changed. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:44, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

On another point: if you make an edit to the article and your edit is reverted, you're also the one who need to take it to the talk page, rather than simply restoring your edit. "I think I'm right" isn't an edit-warring exemption nor is there an overriding policy like BURDEN or BLP in play here, and the status quo is assumed to have consensus until a new discussion takes place. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:49, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

You are 100% wrong per MOS:INFOBOX § Consistency between infoboxes. Cheers. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:50, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

(a) No, if you actually read that section, it doesn't say anything about instructions applying across templates, but rather only that names should be the same. (b) That is irrelevant to the point about edit-warring - even if you were 100% correct about template instructions, edits that do things like add high schools just for the sake of changing a parameter name still need to be discussed where someone objects. Nikkimaria (talk)

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Hoeven et al

This is the same fight that led to Clinton just saying Yale University instead of Yale Law. You WPLDONTLIKEIT and are pretending this is a helpful for readers. If they need to click the link to find out this is just an endowed component of a university, it's not helpful. When I used to link these as ] it was argued that this was faulty under WP:EGG. Ordinary people know Northwestern, not Kellogg. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I can't read minds, how do you know what the reader wants? We have blue links for that, when they do not know, they click. Why not add the University to the alma_mater field since that would be correct? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:55, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't think this is much of a stretch to imagine. Why not just make it easier and link to Northwestern since it's still correct? Both fields for what is essentially the same info is overkill and sort of crufty, IMO. Not all college-level university divisions have specific articles, nor should there be an expectation for every en-experted casual reader to know to connect them together. Give the basic info in the infobox (university, degree) and let the article give the full info. For example, something like "Georgetown University (MA)" in the infobox and "She graduated with a Master of Arts in International Affairs with a concentration in International Organizations from the (Edmund A.) Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University." Therequiembellishere (talk) 00:02, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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In retrospect I should have checked if you were still around before the AfD; I saw your edits and assumed it had long-since been abandoned before tonight (when a no-doubt well meaning editor added some unsourced content.) --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:08, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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Given the nature of the completely spurious accusations concerning this topic the safest and most BLP-compliant action is to leave the redirect in place rather than explain what's going on via a disambiguation, especially considering there aren't two articles to disambiguate at this time. I note that the Times and the Post have both reported on this but I think NOTNEWS applies for the time being, especially given the outlandish claims and the tendency for this to become a target for editors promoting the conspiracy theory, as the history shows. I also note that you're moving into edit-warring territory yourself, and you can't claim a BLP exemption if you keep re-creating the disambiguation. Acroterion (talk) 01:02, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

• When you remove one entry, you give strength to conspiracy theorists who argue that you are covering it up. Readers should be directed to the article that says it has been debunked by reliable sources. A pizzeria is not a living person so not covered by BLP. People should not be directed to a decade old pizzagate. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:08, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I have a lot of experience in dealing with conspiracy theories. I agree with you that where a conspiracy theory has endured for some time we should lay it out plainly. I'm not convinced that the same method applies for something so new and so scurrilous: instead of shining a light on it we're just abetting the defamation. I think the mention in the article is satisfactory, but I'm wary of arguing via a disambiguation, and I'm not convinced that the specific term has much significance outside of Reddit. Acroterion (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

As you mentioned, it is already in WaPo and NYT, which is where I found it, and why I went looking for it here. I could not find it without a redirect. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I just went to the article on the pizza place after reading the WaPo article this morning. I don't think the presence or absence of a redirect as presently constituted is something I feel really strongly about, but I do care that the disambiguation not be misused as we've both noticed. If it becomes more than a nuisance I'll look into extended confirmed protection. Acroterion (talk) 01:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

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Lawrence Cowle Phipps biography - advice requested

I am an attorney/genealogist researching Mr Phipps' genealogy for a relative. Although many biographies list his birthplace as Amityville, Berks Co., PA, I believe they are incorrect. On several of his passport applications, Mr Phipps lists his birthplace as Amity, Washington Co., PA. His father was a pastor in Washinton Co. during that time and he has an infant sibling buried there. I can privide copies of the original passport applications. How do you think I should get this change in his birthplace into his biography? Thank you for your help. You may contact me directly at maryhitt@gmail.com Maryhitt (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Bert Williams

I actually realized right after I reverted the IP editor that I entered the wrong explanation. I reverted because there was no Reliable Source provided for the claims. --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ 22:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I will see if I can find one. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:32, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Chief Bald Eagle

Is the subject of User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Chief Bald Eagle same as that of Woapalanne? 103.6.159.83 (talk) 13:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

My guy was alive in 1918, it was a common native american name. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

And do u think he's notable? Please add your sources then. And please do you take a look at WP:Richard Arthur Norton move list#Biographies - where everything is a single-line stub without refs. 103.6.159.90 (talk) 14:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Vonda Phelps

As you may have noticed, the question of Vonda Phelps date of birth and death has involved some controversy. Can you explain which source you used for the date of birth you added? DerbyCountyinNZ 05:31, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I added a reference, but still not sure. I want to see if her parent's names are mentioned in any of the articles. I have the names of the parents for Avonda (1915-2004). --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:40, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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This, and some other of your drafts mainspaced by Rich Farmbrough are in urgent need of improvements. 103.6.159.83 (talk) 15:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Also, Mayors of Tokyo is poorly formatted and incorrectly titled. List scope overlaps with that of Tokyo Metropolitan Government#Governor. What is worrying is that the content at both pages do not match. 103.6.159.83 (talk) 15:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

And William Lawrence Saunders Gold Medal is unreferenced]]. 103.6.159.83 (talk) 15:33, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

And one more thing bro, you need to aware of user: Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Red list, a complilation of red links from your user page and from User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/*. It is linked from WP:MISSING#Lists. ☺ 103.6.159.86 (talk) 05:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

It's a wonderful time of the year!

Christmas tree worms live under the sea...they hide in their shells when they see me, So with camera in hand I captured a few, and decorated them to share with you. 15:53, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!

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Manhattan, New York City

I apologize: I didn't realize I was "edit warring." I'm new to Misplaced Pages, and thought it would be okay to learn as I go. I will certainly learn the proper way to reference my sources.

Just out of curiosity: can you support your assertion that Hobson was born in Manhattan, New York City? Perhaps you're right, but I don't remember ever reading that she was. Hobson herself says in her autobiography that she was born in "New York City," so apparently she didn't think it important to specify which borough. It wasn't important to the writers of her obituaries in The New York Times or The Washington Post, either.

Personally, I think "Manhattan, New York City" looks ridiculous. "Manhattan," okay, but I don't think you need to specify that Manhattan is part of New York City. Even I am not so ignorant as to confuse it with Manhattan, Iowa.

Thank you for your directives. Your communication is the first I've received from a fellow Wikipedian, and I appreciate the hostility.

Untold Millions (talk) 03:14, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

We have a style guide for Misplaced Pages so that all biographies have the same look and feel. There is a massive project going on now at Misplaced Pages to check each link at "New York" and convert them to "New York (state)" and "New York City". About 25% were pointing to the wrong entity, the next step is to diasambiguate the proper borough for "New York City". BTW, what got you started. What made you hit the edit button? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the links; they're going to be helpful. I won't edit the "Manhattan, New York City" again. As for the citation templates: from what I understand, use of the templates isn't "encouraged or discouraged" by Misplaced Pages, as long as citations are consistent on any given page. That said, I do agree that citations should be consistent across Misplaced Pages as a whole, so I'm looking at them. Like everyone, I've consulted Misplaced Pages for years, but I didn't start editing until I came across the Laura Z. Hobson page. It was incomplete, badly written, poorly cited... I felt it was a disservice to Hobson, whom I've admired for over thirty years. Of course, I didn't realize what I was getting myself into: there's a lot more to this than I realized, and I don't seem to want to do much else! Untold Millions (talk) 05:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

There are probably a three people a day in the New York Times obituaries that do not have articles that deserve them. When you use citation templates rather than just text, at any time in the future all the templated citations can be changed automatically to the new format. We may decide to switch to the European date system, or have the date after the title, or remove the italics. You only have to change the template and all the citations are changed automatically. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Untold Millions: Misplaced Pages is habit forming. I just rescued Niles City Sound from a pile of articles threatened with deletion and have been reading up on it, beefing the article up in the process. Fixing up the citation format was part of that. Also, some of our best articles refer to books extensively, which make heavy use of shortened footnotes. But that's for another time. Ritchie333 15:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Cassianto

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YGM

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U.S. Open Polo Championship

Interested in expanding U.S. Open Polo Championship please?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

We will need to update the list. It's a lot of work though. You could request Horace Laffaye's books via WP:McFarland.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:24, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I think I can find each one in the New York Times archive, they covered it every year. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:29, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. That would be wonderful. We also need to update the link to present days; the 2017 tournament takes place in March-April.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:44, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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We Were Soldiers

Hello, I have delinked Hal More, as he is already linked in the lede. Regards, David J Johnson (talk)

You need to link in every new section. Incoming links and the table of contents bring you directly to article sections and readers can skip the lede as I did. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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"Meaning of the word 'is' is"

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Hmm... found another Definition of "is" is. George Ho (talk) 22:03, 12 March 2017 (UTC) "* I think it deserves to be in Misplaced Pages to some target, still being used within last year according to Google News. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

You mean Lewinsky scandal? (Umm... typo above) George Ho (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello again. I started the DRV discussion on the deleted redirects. It was closed as "no consensus", defaulting to stay deleted. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 09:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Ancestror Ytterlännäs and Anundsjö

I guess we are related, my grandfathers family come from Ångermanland, and I have several ancestor from the parishes you mentioned. Anyhow, The enwiki and meta genealogy project now goes into a new dimension, we will establish a user group, and create an email list. Please support the creation of the email list here. Dan Koehl (talk) 22:40, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Have you taken the Ancestry DNA test yet? Best $99 I spent. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:11, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Sunday March 26: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel

Sunday March 26: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel

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April 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

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Sunday May 21: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon + global online challenge

Sunday May 21, 10:30 am - 4:30pm: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon

The Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon: Met Open Access Initiative is the Metropolitan Museum of Art's first edit-a-thon, being hosted on Sunday May 21, 2017 in Thomas J. Watson Library at The Met Fifth Avenue in New York City. The Met is excited to make available over 375,000 images of public domain artworks for contribution to Misplaced Pages and Wikimedia Commons from the museum’s collection spanning 5,000 years of art. The event is an opportunity for Wikimedia communities to engage The Met's diverse collection onsite and remotely. The event is a key marker too of The Metropolitan Museum of Art's first Wikimedian-in-Residence program, with resident Richard Knipel (User:Pharos), along with Wikimedia NYC. We invite you to help enhance Wikimedia communities and platforms with open access images from The Metropolitan Museum of Art. The event requires pre-registration. To register, 1) please sign-up with Eventbrite via The Met's website and 2) add your Misplaced Pages username to the #Participants on the wikimeetup page. Please check-in with museum staff when you arrive at the Thomas J. Watson Library within the museum. We also welcome remote participation for the global Met Open Access Artworks Challenge (15 May - 30 June, 2017), you can sign up there at Met Open Access Artworks Challenge/Participants. --Pharos (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

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May 24: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Topics this month include the TED wikiproject, the Met wikiproject, and encouraging free video on Wikimedia Commons! We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Misplaced Pages editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday May 24 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 137 West 14th Street We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 19:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC) P.S. bonus event this weekend: Action=History: Sunday Hackathon @ Ace Hotel Sunday May 28, 2017

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Join us for an evening of social Misplaced Pages editing at the Museum of Modern Art Library's third annual Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon, during which we will create, update, and improve Misplaced Pages articles pertaining to LGBT art, culture and history. All are invited, with no specialized knowledge of the subject or Misplaced Pages editing experience required. Themes for this event include art related to HIV/AIDS activism and on LGBTQ artists of the African Diaspora as part of the Black Lunch Table project. Experienced Wikipedians will be on-hand to assist throughout the day. Please bring your laptop and power cord; we will have library resources, WiFi, and a list of suggested topics on hand. Thursday June 22 Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ MoMA (Participants have to bring their own laptops and power cords). Time: 6:00 pm – 8:30 pm Location: Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Education and Research Building at MoMA, 4 West 54 Street - between 5th/6th Ave, New York, NY 10019 Please note that this entrance is one block north of the main 53rd Street entrance, closer to 5th Avenue. Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC) P.S. Stay tuned / sign up early for our Sunday June 25 Hackathon @ Ace Hotel, the Sunday July 9 Wiknic on Governors Island, and other upcoming events.

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Specifically, it asks that "religion = none" be allowed in the infobox.

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The result of that RfC was "unambiguously in favour of omitting the parameter altogether for 'none' " and despite the RfC title, additionally found that "There's no obvious reason why this would not apply to historical or fictional characters, institutions etc.", and that nonreligions listed in the religion entry should be removed when found "in any article".

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Sunday July 9: WikNYC Picnic @ Governors Island

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Hi, I was wondering whether you might want to take another look at the caption for the photo I think you added to the Committee on Public Information. The handwritten label on the photo seems to suggest this is just a delegation from the Committee and not the entire committee. I added a comment on the Talk page. (When I first saw the photo with its caption, I was wondering whether I could figure out which one of them was Murray Leinster).... 134.134.139.76 (talk) 00:22, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Good catch, do you think we should remove the image? Have you looked at other Flickr images from the Bain collection?

Sunday July 30: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel

Sunday July 30: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel

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quest for biodata

Do you think your sources might have any info on Fred Graf - for instance, at the very least his dates of birth and death? Thanks in advance. DS (talk) 13:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

It is doable, I found 8 Fred Grafs born in New York City area of the right age and I just have to check their WWII draft registrations to see who was working as an illustrator. If none I will expand to Frederick Grafs. Did you see that some of his original drawing are being auctioned? You can copy it to Commons. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:55, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I added a link to the data I am adding to Wikidata.

Before I upload that (lovely) pic to Commons, I'd like to make sure it's properly PD - which means I need his date of death. DS (talk) 17:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

And this one shows that he was alive in 1949, so... DS (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

So far nothing, plumbers, butchers, accountants and hotel clerks. I figure he was born around 1880. The Library of Congress thinks he was a mapmaker in the 1890s, so he may have been born in 1870 or 1865. Or they combined two people of the same name.

• I tried looking all of the US and specifically in Tacoma, Washington, not even a suspect yet in the 1940 census and the WWI and WWII draft. You can look too by getting a free subscription to Familysearch, you just have to register. You can link Familysearch profiles to Wikidata.

Actually, it's more likely that he was from somewhere in (or near) Ohio - most of the TT's cartoons were syndicated with the Newspaper Enterprise Association, which was based in Cleveland. Most of their cartoonists were from that vicinity. But I'll look into Familysearch when I get the time, thanks. DS (talk) 17:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Two other points that have occurred to me: 1) sometimes "Fred" wasn't short for "Frederick" or "Friedrich" - it could be short for "Alfred", "Wilfred", Manfred", or even "Ferdinand", and 2) I concluded that the 1904 cartoonist and the 1940s cartoonist were the same person, based on similarity between signatures. If I was wrong, that will make things much, much more difficult. DS (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

As per here, someone with that name was an illustrator in St Louis in 1896... DS (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Recent edit to Bath School disaster

You recently added a Washington Post reference about the disaster which I think should perhaps be removed and this is why:

• The fatality/injured numbers are already sourced within the main body of the article from reliable sources.
• The WaPo article manages to perpetuate the mangled myth (by paraphrasing from Ellsworth's otherwise - at least so far as I have found - factually correct/eyewitness book and by referring to Kehoe as "the boy") that Kehoe allowed his stepmother to basically burn to death when he was a child. This is incorrect - please see Bath School disaster#Andrew Kehoe, the Andrew Kehoe article, as well as the Note I just added to the article - Kehoe was actually 40 when this incident happened (with his stepmother dying shortly afterwards from her injuries).

Let's discuss etc. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

No problem, remove it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:29, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I had always thought the fire with Kehoe's stepmother had happened when he was young but then recently another editor pointed-out the discrepancies here and I finally paid attention to the dates - others mentioned the issue before. The actual age makes it even creepier - that the fire happened when Kehoe was 40. And also...shortly before he married poor Nellie Price. The details of his stepmother's injuries and his father's attempts to help her...truly horrific.

I only started editing this article because of all the children of Bath...I fell down the rabbit-hole of school-attacks.

And lol now I feel like I need to rinse out my brain-case... Shearonink (talk) 01:10, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Are you going to add Kehoe and other principal people to Wikidata? You can add in biographical data like dates of birth for people tangential to Misplaced Pages articles. You can link to their Familysearch data such as entries in the census. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Rigó Jancsi on huwiki

hu:Rigó Jancsi

Hello, can you name your sources for your recent additions to his biography on huwiki? Death dates without sources are not acceptable, as you probably know. --Pagony (talk) 09:33, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Where are the sources for the birth date? Don't worry about it, leave the new information off. Keep the new image deleted for whatever your reasons. If you were clever you would see where the information came from, since I added it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

You will find the source for his date of birth in the article. No, you did not add where your information came from. I'd advise you not to edit the article in the future. --Pagony (talk) 21:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

You are not too clever if you cannot see the source for his death date and death place, since I did add it, just not in Magyar in the article since I do not have the Hungarian citation template. Please do not tell people not to edit articles, welcome them and fix their spelling errors. It seems everyone in Hungary has become xenophobic. I guess I have been Orbanned from the Hungarian Misplaced Pages for not writing in their language. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

AGF

Anyone saying this sort of thing can only be a nasty, presumptuous person. Among my closest friends were these people, one of whom I helped in writing this. - Sitush (talk) 07:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh jeez, not the "some of my best friends are " defense. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2017 (UTC)