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Happy New Year !!!

Hi Tenebrae,

I would like to wish you a Happy New Year 2017 !!! I will put a link here and I don't know if you will be able to access it, it is a link to the BAnQ (Bibliothèque des Archives nationales du Québec) and maybe you'll be able to see the baptism certificate of Norma Shearer from Westmount in Montreal - here it is -> http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/ecivil/affichage.html?serie=06M_CE601S147&a=r If you see something on this link, click on "1903" at the middle left then click on "Janvier - Décembre" who will appear. Then you will see the pages. Go to page 9A then click on "Page 9A" then click on "Affichage plein écran" and the page will download. Then if you have an arrow who points down in the upper-right of your computer (it's the downloading) click on this arrow then click on the thing who appears and you will see the baptism certificate of Edith Norma Shearer. I don't know if you'll be able to see it (since you're not a BAnQ member) but if you are able anyone will be able to see it. Give me news. And Happy New Year again Tenebrae !!! --Danielvis08 (talk) 04:00, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

P.S. For Douglas Shearer click on "1900" then "janvier - décembre" then on "Page 6". For Athole Shearer click on "1901" then "janvier - décembre" then on "Page 3A". --Danielvis08 (talk) 04:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy Belated New Year

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Happy New Year, Tenebrae!

Tenebrae,
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Joker (character) nominated for deletion

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At long last...Jack Schiff has a Misplaced Pages article!

Hi Tenebrae,

Back on July 16, 2013, you wrote to me that "One of these days we'll get around to Jack Schiff!" After 3½ years, I finally created it! He was a pretty interesting person. How many other comics creators worked with Pearl S. Buck?

I've created six new articles in the space of 12 days which is a new personal best. All Out War (comics), Jesse Santos, Bill Draut, D. Bruce Berry, and Howard Bender are the other new ones. Hope you enjoy them.

Best regards,

Mtminchi08 (talk) 23:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Minor critics society awards

Hey, I know awhile back you were looking to remove some of these minor critics society awards and I found some that may have escaped your sight while updating List of accolades received by Deadpool (film). Denver Film Critics Society hasn't been updated since 2014 and doesn't any sources. Jupiter Award (film award) claims to be "Germany's biggest audience award" but doesn't cite any sources.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Clarify

@MarnetteD: In case it seemed odd that I thanked you for your comment, despite the frustration you expressed, I wanted you to know I do appreciate your civility, as well as your collegially remarking that we both have the best interests of WP at heart. The thank you was sincere, --Tenebrae (talk) 19:05, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you T. The ping and this post are much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 19:07, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Undid revision

CalzGuy undid my edit at Sing Street. He told me that "Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style/Film#Accolades doesn't say that". Explain to him and I won't edit that article...

IreneTandry (talk) 02:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Undid revision

User talk:24.85.167.59 add non-notable awards again at Christine (2016 film) and I see you have problem with this user. Explain to him/her.

IreneTandry (talk) 07:29, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@IreneTandry: I think I recognize that IP. Appears to be a troll account. Thanks for the head's-up. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Then, user URunICon watched my contribution and edited similar with my contribution, by adding "the center ref(s)". I fixed them as URunICon did for La La Land's accolades, but URunICon reverted them. What's wrong with me? URunICon makes plan by kicking me at Misplaced Pages. Am I wrong again for following Misplaced Pages's rule? You can see Sing Street again.

IreneTandry (talk) 14:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Alec Baldwin

I don't consider Baldwin to be a comedian. However, if you have a reliable source that verifies he is a comedian, I will reconsider. Thought I'd let you know.Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 21:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk-page-stalker here: shouldn't have to go too far—"two Emmy Awards, three Golden Globe Awards, and seven Screen Actors Guild Awards for his work on..." 30 Rock, an NBC television]] comedy. — Neonorange (talk) 00:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Blockquote

Hi. Thanks. Just need to point out that you meant to say no italics, not, "quote marks". Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 22:50, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@Rui Gabriel Correia: Ha! Yes, you're right! I was looking at it in the text editor and didn't see that it was not " but '' --Tenebrae (talk) 22:54, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Superman

Well, Tenebrae, my original account has been restored at the forebearance of the admins, and I'm going ahead and finishing up some loose ends on the Superman article. I distracted myself these past few months researching other domains, but this is one itch that I needed to scratch. I regret that our past interactions were foul, but what to do? If you object to what I have just done, you can confront me on Talk and I will bear you no ill will for this. If I encounter resistance again, I will fold. Things didn't go so well for everyone last time, and my work on this article is almost done anyway, so I think I could bear to walk away. Kurzon (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Lil kim birth date

Lil kim mother verified her birthday as july 11 1976. You can look it up on youtube on lil kim driven episode on vh1. She's 40 not 41 or 42 Treyrio33 (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) you must provide a valid source. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" 02:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Monsters Unleashed-response

In my defense to Monsters Unleashed, the storyline was made separate in order to keep it from being confused with the unrelated comic series just like how they had to keep Secret Wars and it's 2015 comic book separate. This issue is a big event for the Marvel Comics monsters community. Did I leave anything out? --Rtkat3 (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Captain America

Hey would you mind chiming in on the Captain America discussion right now? I feel like this is something which will need opinions from a lot of people to be done right. I'm going to bring it up in the Comicproject talkpage as well.★Trekker (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Re: A Monster Calls

I forgot to write it was also british-american. I wrote it because as the films The Impossible (2012 film) and Regression (film), they are "spanish films" because the director and companies, but they are in english. I agree with you and yes, "A Monster Calls" is both, spanish-british-american. Thanks and now, the description is correct :)

JaviDex (talk) 18:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Perfect. But, I think no cites are neccesary. I mean, the director is spanish, the scriptwriter is british-american and the characters and the companies are spanish-british-americans, so the countries are known thanks of that. In spite of this, all the cites I can find (spanish newspapers as: http://cultura.elpais.com/cultura/2016/10/06/actualidad/1475712379_440756.html) says the film is spanish (Género: drama. España, 2016 - Type: drama. Spain, 2016). I think we can leave that as it is in the article (the film is spanish-british-american) :)

Cordially JaviDex (talk) 11:46, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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"Proferred"

Thanks for rescuing my exquisitely chosen verb (), LOL. Yours, Quis separabit? 14:10, 9 February 2017 (UTC),

Top Ten Lists

Hi. Hope you're well. I've noticed that you've removed appearances in Top Ten lists from accolades lists. I support this for the minor critic associations, but support inclusions of if they appeared in the top Ten of National Board of Review or American Film Institute which have independent recognition and are covered every year in accolades list. Is there consensus for this, if so I can begin culling these from the accolades lists? Cowlibob (talk) 19:41, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, @Cowlibob: Unless something's changed in the last couple of days, the only top-ten list WP:FILM is including is the AFI's. If I had to guess, the National Board of Review isn't included since then we'd have to start including national boards and their equivalents from a whole bunch of other countries, bloating the lists all over again. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:21, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

February 2017

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Coincidence (?): Sept répons des ténèbres --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

{unblock|reason=I confess I'm a little confused. 3RR requires four reverts and I made only three. Also, and perhaps I'm wrong, but WP:BLP vios, I believe, are excepted in any case. The other editor made poorly sourced claims and removed RS-cited verbatim quotes by the subject herself.Tenebrae (talk) 20:15, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually, it appears that 12 hours have passed and I'm unblocked. I'm still curious as to the specifics of the violation, if I might ask for clarification. With thanks, --Tenebrae (talk) 20:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)}}

I've disabled the unblock request. Perhaps you've had no reason to run into the distinction. Edit warring, as a general rule, is strongly discouraged. It's sometimes a bit subjective to determine if someone is edit warring; where is the threshold? One absolute threshold is the three revert thing -- if you break 3RR, you're going to get blocked, and there's not much arguing to be done about it. But you can edit war without violating 3RR; I've seen people blocked for edit warring by making one edit a month. --jpgordon 20:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jpgordon: Thanks for responding. I appreciate the broader perspective. I'm surprised the WP:BLP nature of the edits didn't appear to come into consideration.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Possibly they might not have been noticed. You might want to ask the blocking admin about that. --jpgordon 01:16, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

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Wikizilla Links

I have a few questions about this whole thing. I have to go to this External Links noticeboard to make my request, and then I have to take that discussion and link it at the Project Film place and the Project Tokusatsu place? That's how I'm understanding it but I'm not entirely sure if I'm correct. Could you please elaborate on this. Also I could do without the accusations that I'm setting up an edit-war please. I don't want things to get out of hand just because I'm not completely familiar with Misplaced Pages's rules. EncyclopediaGojira (talk) 04:44, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@EncyclopediaGojira: Quite alright. Though you've been on Misplaced Pages since October, I guess it's still understandable you might not have been familiar with the protocol at WP:BRD or with WP:EDITWAR. There's a learning curve for all of us. I will note that User:Friginator already spoke with you about all this on your talk page at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:EncyclopediaGojira&diff=762660987&oldid=746280707.

An RfC is pretty simple, though it does take a few steps, the most important of which is crafting a neutral question. Go to Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment and follow the directions. They which will include adding "{{rfc|media}} where it asks for "category."

Afterward, in order to generate comments from editors particularly knowledgable in the subject matter, which always helps, you almost certainly want to add something like "A request for comment concerning a specific external link to Godzilla-related articles is taking place at ." These would go at the bottom Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Film and Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Tokusatsu at the very least. I hope this helps, and I'm here of you need any specific help in setting up the RfC. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Portman's EBN

As always, thanks for a polite and helpful discussion. Sundayclose (talk) 18:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

""completely inappropriate infobox image""

How is this image inappropriate exactly? It portrays Doom in both his classic design and his new design as Iron Man.

(I am not edit-warring)

Impending_IP (talk) 19:58, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@86.43.187.228: Thank you for asking. Infobox images are supposed to show the most longstanding and traditional version of a character. Superman has had different costumes now and then, sometimes for a year or more, but we show the traditional Superman costume. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: Could you tell me why my edits are being reverted? I'm simply trying to mention that Victor Von Doom is now a heroic character. I'd like a suitable explanation of why my edits are seen as inappropriate. --Impending_IP (talk) 14:17, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae

Please think for a second. What exactly do "all other editors" disagree with regarding my edits? I have not been told. Can you let me know? I don't see any problem whatsoever with mentioning the current status of Doctor Doom. What is the problem with mentioning that e is now Infamous Iron Man?

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Updated weekend

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Notification

For a Master Editor IV you're acting pretty hasty. Calm down, willya? Master Editors are supposed to be good role models and not go off half-cocked. Partly for my own protection (from you) I opened a thread at WP:ANI concerning this situation, which you have way escalated and which I think you're in the wrong on procedural grounds, and maybe we can hash it out there or whatever. Herostratus (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Let's see if we can dial this down a notch

I noticed that 1) you're a Master Editor IV with a bunch of barnstars and 2) you were recently blocked (for edit-warring) even though your log is otherwise clean; these are two things that don't fit together, so I wonder if something is going on. I addition it'd only be human to be upset about that block (I would be). Not my business, so that's all I can really say about that.

Under the circumstances I've decided to cut you some slack and not make a huge deal over what's going on over at at the article. WP:BRD is an important principle and worth fighting for, but this particular hill is not worth dying over. I'll meet you over at the talk page there presently. Herostratus (talk) 04:04, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

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Michael Carbonaro birthdate

Hi Tenebrae,

Here on FamilySearch I had a record for a Michael Carbonaro who reside in Oakdale in 1994 where they cite his birthdate as April 28, 1976 ->. Just want to help. --Danielvis08 (talk) 11:17, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Long live(d) the King!

Hello Tenebrae,

If you want to read an article about a friend hockey historian about the birthyear of King Clancy being 1902 instead of 1903. The guy he mentions who sent him often e-mails about corrections, it's me! . Sincerely. --Danielvis08 (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Bob Kane

Hey there, Tenebrae, hope all is well. Thanks for getting back to me. You make a sound argument regarding the image's use in the Bob Kane article. I agree, it belongs there. DrRC (talk) 00:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Felicity Jones

There seems to be an issue with Felicity Jones' main picture not showing up on her page properly. All it shows is the picture's link instead of the actual picture. What's the issue and is there a way to fix it? DCTrinity (talk) 1:31, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Works for me. Servers are a bit overloaded at the moment though, so possibly this is the reason? Regards SoWhy 07:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

RuPaul's Drag Race

I've noticed that you're active on the season pages. There's currently a discussion on the talk page of Season 9 under the "Replacing HIGHs and LOWs" section that may interest you on voicing your opinion. Brocicle (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Tenebrae, thanks for recognising! Noted for the future, hopefully everyone can cite a range of articles and do the same. Keeps both parties satisfied Seansporbert (talk) 01:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Wonder Woman

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A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	You're like a superhero with the trolls Yeahimadethis (talk) 05:30, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Guardians Vol. 2

Hey I just read that you saw a screener for this, and was wondering if you might want to work up a plot summary in your sandbox to include once the film is released (I believe the first release is on the 25th).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@TriiipleThreat: Glad to, though I won't have enough time till Friday. Speaking with James Gunn tomorrow, if there's question you might have for him. I'm always hunting for good questions. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:39, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Awesome, let me see if I can think of something. Also pinging @Favre1fan93 and Adamstom.97: in case they have any suggestions.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:49, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! --Tenebrae (talk) 17:27, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

It'd be great too if you could keep an eye on the article, if you aren't already, just to handle any vandalism and such (the article is not currently protected either). I'm probably going to remove it from my watchlist very soon and will be back on May 5 after seeing the film myself. And I'll come back later and post any questions I might have! Here's one. Having not seen the film yet, I don't know if this is silly or not given the content, but, what was the decision to have as many post-credit scenes as there are, and why weren't the scenes incorporated elsewhere in the film? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Another: If allowed (as I know this can happen at junkets sometimes), see if Gunn is able to talk about/confirm any of the Guardians-related characters in Infinity War outside of the main team, specifically the Collector (as we have some suspect sourcing on his appearance). Probably can't or won't mention anyone specifically but worth a shot. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Smart questions from a smart editor! Will ask. Without giving anything away that anyone wouldn't expect, one of the end-credit scenes does set up a another Marvel character. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:04, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I think I would need to see the film first to come up with any decent questions, but having him explain his reasoning/development process for anything is always great for us. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:51, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

If not to late for another one: Any way for him to confirm Bradley Cooper for Infinity War would be great. We have the character appearing and his brother doing on set motion reference/acting again, but not that Cooper will be back. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll give it a shot! --Tenebrae (talk) 17:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Much obliged! Those are the best I can think of without having seen the film like Adam said. Obviously since you've seen it, if there were moments you think a lot of people will want to know about (VFX things, how something was filmed/prepped, etc.) those are always good to have info on! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm perhaps something about what if any influence the 80s/90s (and any particular film(s) from that era) had on him considering his use retro color schemes and casting stars from that era (Stallone, Russell, Close, Zombie).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@TriiipleThreat and Adamstom.97: FYI to you all, I've taken the GotG Vol. 2 article, MCU films and MCU film cast articles off my watch list, since stuff may be added from junkets and the premiere red carpet interviews. Will be back on these on May 5. Hope the interviews went well Tenebrae! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

St. Louis University High School

Hi. Thank you for your efforts on the above article. Just a warning, there are some alumni that are very persistent in trying to use that article to promote the school. I am very glad there are some other eyes on it, as I am getting burned out on it badly. Thanks again. John from Idegon (talk) 19:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: Thanks for the kind words, and, yeah, what you say is exactly what it looked like. I will continue keeping an eye on it. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Understanding Consensus

Even as to relying on the show itself is a primary source, which we could rely upon. Of course we have to be very careful in such a case not to do WP:OR. For instance, if there are a mixture of positive and negative things said, how do we know if they are in top or bottom? In such a case, ONLY secondary sources could be allowed to resolve the question.

I've reverted your disruptive edits. This is what the closer said. Only in cases that the comments from the judges are ambiguous is it necessary to rely on a secondary source (even so, it's rare for it to be that ambiguous). I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the show and read what the consensus actually is before you go reverting edits. Do not make further revisions to the articles unless you are willing to point out any ambiguous comments from the judges and any sources to go with those, since the onus is on you to show a secondary source is required. nihlus kryik (talk) 23:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Apparently you do not understand what consensus is or what a status-quo is. I recommend you worry less about your edit count and more about what your edits are. nihlus kryik (talk) 17:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Wes Craven

This..?! https://letterboxd.com/film/the-fireworks-woman/ --Noonchalance (talk) 18:49, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok, ..and this?! http://www.slasherstudios.com/2012/05/09/cravens-forgotten-classics-the-fireworks-woman-1975/ --Noonchalance (talk) 13:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Steve Englehart and Todd McFarlane

"Collaborate with" omits the fact that Englehart gave McFarlane his first professional work, which is the whole point of mentioning it in Englehart's article. I'm not sure why you would remove this specificity for the more vague "collaborate", when that wasn't even the main reason why you explained you disagreed with it.

You also removed the "young artist, fresh out of college" description, which further paints the picture of the importance of that moment in history.

You also removed "immense popularity" which is not informal, and unquestionably a documented fact.

Lastly, "great multimedia success" refers to his success in various media: Independent creator-owned publishing, toy making, and a Grammy and Emmy-winning animator, info that is referred to in the cited sources. You replaced this with "toy-company founder", which does not convey this, as it removes the other media in which McFarlane found success, and restricts it to toys. Why do this? Have you read McFarlane's article?

I'm sorry, Tenebrae, but this is not an improvement. I removed the informal term "superstar" that you thought was inappropriate, so I don't know why you're determined to remove the specific info that makes Englehart's giving McFarlane his first word so noteworthy. Nightscream (talk) 21:29, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

"young artist, fresh out of college" is non-encyclopedic tone. I believe "the recent college graduate" is more encyclopedic.

Didn't know about the animation stuff. So how about "McFarlane would go on to become one of the industry's most prominent and successful artists and publishers, a toy-company founder, and a Grammy Award- and Emmy Award-winning animator." --Tenebrae (talk) 21:33, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Question: As a writer, who generally doesn't do the hiring in comics, how did Englehart give him work? Wouldn't it be the publisher giving McFarlane work? --Tenebrae (talk) 21:35, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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The Check That Bought Superman

Hello Tenebrae,

How are you? I don't know if you were aware of that but the check that sold Superman on March 1st, 1938 for $130.00 exist. You can even view it and a video from a page of ComicConnect here -> . Thanks. --Danielvis08 (talk) 03:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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You might be being discussed on ANI. I have no idea.

Sorry! I didn't notice, but actually you are (maybe) being discussed on ANI and no one informed you.

A user whom you recently asked to stop talking about "certain users" on an article talk page opened a report on ANI about said unnamed users, and didn't post on anyone's talk page around the same time. Someone else commented and replaced "certain users" with "the offending editor", and specifically linked a comment that was clearly addressed to them. I notified that one user, but it's entirely possible that you were one of the "certain users" in question.

Or if not, you could at least help elaborate on whom you think the certain editors are. I'm just a random uninvolved editor and am already getting pretty damn sick of it; perhaps if all involved users had been notified the discussion would be less ... "lonely", I guess? I have no idea who else was involved. I only noticed your comment because it came right after a diff I needed, and I thought shortly before another I wanted.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:50, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. There is a WP:ANI topic brought up including your recent edits and tone on X-Men (film series) edit history, as well as talk:X-Men (film series) as a whole (and there's A LOT of those comments and edits included, I am referencing here). Tried to be civil by allowing admins to decide who is behaving uncivil thereon, but have notified you to cover all my bases. You can find the incident report here.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:41, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@DisneyMetalhead: It's a little late for that when you started this discussion about me and another editor four days ago. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:43, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

No need to ping me as I am following the comments. All I have to say is that I was trying to be civil in not 'calling you out' on the page itself. Didn't realize it was required and so I am doing so now. --DisneyMetalhead (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

"interpretive POV" vs. OR

Hey, thanks for putting up with me on the Guardians talk page. It's a peripheral point so I'm bringing it here, but I think what I did here was more "OR" than "POV", since my POV (that Ego is the film's villain, has sinister motives, and is lying in at least some of what he says) is one the film essentially forces on the audience. These aren't real people about whom one can have conflicting opinions.

It is OR to say that since Yondu was involved in the fates of Ego's other children then Ego must have been planting seeds all across the galaxy at roughly the same time as he was having this star-crossed romance with Meredith. But "talk-page OR" in discussion of the inclusion or non-inclusion of something in the article that may or may not be independently sourced is generally allowed, as long is it doesn't enter the realm of excessive fanboy navel-gazing.

This is why I think plot summaries should have to be sourced to secondary sources rather than the films themselves, as it is possible to read the film the way you did (as you appeared to be doing?). Presenting original plot summaries with unique emphases is (depending on how straightforward the film is, of course) contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of NOR. And the more we work, even in good faith to fix it on the talk page based on our own readings of the film itself rather than based on third-party reliable sources, the closer we get to the above-mentioned excessive fanboy navel-gazing.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: Well, I can't argue with most of that! I do think that with movie plots, it all shakes out properly eventually. But, yeah, with comic-book movies there's a tendency, by newer editors especially, to overdetail. That said, most of the veteran WikiProject Comics editors have done a terrific job overall on the Marvel movies, I think.--Tenebrae (talk) 00:02, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Look a little bit closer at some of those articles, sometime... virtually every MCU article I have read, I have found something wrong with: blue haze covering the lead because someone thought it was a good idea to list the entire poster-billed cast even if several of them were on screen for less than a minute; sources being attached to overly-detailed character descriptions when really they only verify the fact that Actor X is playing Character Y; material copy-pasted from one article into another related article without regard for how it would look in the different context, pre-release speculative and/or promotional sources being cited years after the films' release for our (updated) claims that they don't support.

I mean, with Iron Man 3 Marvel were deliberately trolling their fans and throwing them off the scent by telling them that Ben Kingsley would be playing the Mandarin, the leader of the Ten Rings seen in the first film; the final film included no mention of the Ten Rings, but we still claim the fictional character within a fictional movie is "depicted as the leader of the international terrorist organization the Ten Rings", a claim cited entirely to pre-release sources that just said Ben Kingsley was playing the Mandarin. Similar examples are endemic. (The problem gets worse in "In other media" sections of our articles on the comic book characters themselves.)

I feel like GA reviewers (and a bunch of these articles are GAs despite the above problems) are somewhat clumsy with checking these things, since GA has a list of criteria and they check the articles only against those criteria, without regard for how the article actually reads, and sometimes skip over the most important criterion (verifiable with no original research) because they don't have access to the sources or just didn't bother checking them because they are "assuming good faith" (which isn't what that policy means). Again, the Iron Man 3 example I gave is technically "verifiable" and "not original research", in that other sources not cited in the article, or already cited elsewhere in the article, may verify the claims being made, but if GA reviewers were more careful it wouldn't have passed while still containing material clearly not supported by the sources attached to it.

Sorry for such a long rant. Just my two cents on the MCU articles (haven't looked at the Fox or Sony ones, honestly) and GA processes in general.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:14, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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Stallone's character's crew and Stallone's character's team-mates

Hey, I just got out of my second viewing and checked this. The characters in the mid-credits stinger are apparently not the same people as the crew of Stakar's ship. In the funeral scene, Stakar addresses his crew while paying his respects, and they call him "Captain", and then in quick succession we see the other characters in the stinger scene each pay their respects as well. The implication is that they are different captains on different ships, each with their own crew, but it makes sense that one might get this mixed up (honestly, both times I was tearing up during that scene and probably wouldn't have noticed details like thos if I wasn't specifically looking). in the stinger itself Stakar specifically regrets that it took Yondu's death to reunite the "team". And most importantly of all (it's detached from the other scenes and so is even easier to miss), Yondu says to Rocket when they are sharing a cell that he, Stakar and the other Ravager captains were once a team not unlike Rocket, Quill and co. -- he does everything short of explicitly stating that they had been the original Guardians of the Galaxy.

Posting this on your talk page since it's kind of off-topic for the article talk page, as my current view is that the stingers should not be discussed in the plot summary at all (read: I think that the text in question should be removed). The information that's important for our article -- that the characters played by stallone, Yeoh et al. are references to an earlier incarnation of the team from the comics -- can all be easily verified in third-party reliable sources without resorting to SYNTH, so discussion of whether the film versions of the characters are Stakar's "crew" or his "team-mates" is kind of irrelevant. I just figured I'd point it out because it came up in the discussion.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:18, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: Good analysis. I wish the credits Disney gave press had included all the roles and characters that appeared in the onscreen credits; that would have helped. And, yeah, I was welling up even before Cat Stevens' "Father and Son." After that song, forget about it ... just wanted to go be with my (now grown) kids! --Tenebrae (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

WP:WIKIHOUNDING

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Closed here with a WP:BOOMERANG against User:The Kingfisher. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

hello,

I can see from your history that you've pretty much been going through all of my edits and re-correcting them. i recognize your right as a contributor to double check information but i am a bit uncomfortable that you've made it a priority to sift through each of my edits and the pages i've edited. i'm a minor and it makes me uneasy to be stalked in any way. i am sure you have better things to do with your time then fact check everything i do when i have tried to make as little of a scene as possible, but i do confess that i now feel a bit troubled for being stalked. most of those edits were either going off of what somebody else did or reorganizing information. for some reason, there seems to be a hierarchy between editors on this site; i have never intended to make editing this domain a hobby or a passion or anything like that ever. however, it ticks me off when people who do fail to display signs of respect or acknowledgment of junior contributors that are utilizing the right wikipedia offers them as a website that can be edited by anyone (within reason & accuracy). but the content on a page shouldn't be solely decided by a singular, one editor that makes it their duty to track and control every single edit and perhaps label it whatever they please to keep it off the page. it's also not right for editors to gang up on junior editors when they feel like it. the adding of upcoming projects has never been against any policy of normalcy and it doesn't make sense to act like it is. anyways, please stop going through my contribution list and leave me alone. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosemaries19 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 31 May 2017‎

@Rosemaries19: There is no way of knowing who anyone is on Misplaced Pages, and your threatening insinuation that you purportedly are a minor and that I am "stalking" a minor appears to be on the verge of a legal threat, a policy under which you can be sanctioned. My edits were strictly to correct gross violations of WP:BLP, WP:TABLOID, WP:GOSSIP and other inappropriate edits that were not "within reason and accuracy". As for your WP:PROMOTIONAL edits, more than one editor reverted them.

Misplaced Pages welcomes all contributors and asks that they adhere to the policies and guidelines encapsulated at the 5 Pillars of Misplaced Pages. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:54, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

i am a minor, i have stated this before on Ginny's edit history, if an administrator asks me the fact that i am a minor is true by all means and under the laws of the United States of America of anyone under 18 to be a legal minor. I was simply saying that by constantly going through my edits you are making me uncomfortable and it is fully in my rights to let you know of it. It feels like you are purposely targeting me for some reason and/or trying to incite drama. it is fully within my right to call out an adult for tracking my every move on the site and making me feel uneasy. If this continues I don't intend to take legal action (bit of a large jump there Jesus) but I will go to the administrators and request you blocked from my account so you don't see my contributions and no longer have any reason to sift restlessly and intentionally through almost every edit I've made. I never specified any edits I did in my comment, I never asked for any sort of reverting or restoration, I simply asked for you to leave me alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosemaries19 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Rosemaries19: Anyone can claim anything they want; that doesn't make it true. Misplaced Pages editors have a responsibility to undo irresponsible edits and editors, particularly on biographical articles where you're adding anonymously sourced gossip and tabloid claims. The only person making drama here is you: If you'll check you'll see it has been since May 30 that I edited an article that you have edited. Feel free to ask admins for anything you'd like; I'd be glad to give them a list of your irresponsible edits and your uncivil, borderline threatening talk-page posts. Anyone can edit Misplaced Pages, but they need to do it responsibly. I'm quite sure from your tone and claims that you've never read the 5 Pillars of Misplaced Pages, as I suggested above. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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Date of birth for Jenette Kahn

Hello Tenebrae,

How are you? I just saw that Jenette Kahn was born on 1948 without a source. I found his birth date. Here in an article from The New York Times dated January 6, 1985 they mention she is 37 years old -> . If we calculate we find she was born between January 7, 1947 and January 6, 1948, hence a great odd that she was born in 1947. At the end of the NYTimes article they mention she was once married with Morton J. Fink. Here on FamilySearch we have a marriage for Jenette S Kahn with Morton J Fink in Connecticut -> , and here we have her with an address in NY and Connecticut and that she was born May 16, 1947 -> . Cordially. --Danielvis08 (talk) 17:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Megan Kelly

Isn't it ironic that the ones saying this are willing to consider a Russian propaganda source as reliable? --‖ Ebyabe - Inspector General ‖ 07:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Apparently the equine which is deceased is still being flagellated. I provided a lengthy response to their comment. Or at least as lengthy as seems worthwhile. Anyhoo, cheers.  :) --‖ Ebyabe - General Health ‖ 09:05, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Sock puppet investigation?

Hey man. I'm fairly certain this new user OntheNatureofDaylight (avoiding linking in order to not tip him off) is the previously blocked User:JetChained, who was already a sock puppet for User:Josephlalrinhlua786 among a half dozen others. I'm citing the {{duck}} argument, since I have no evidence besides him Leaving passive aggressive e edit summaries on blockbuster pages like The Mummy (2017 film). I'm also cc'ing Favre1fan93 in here because he helped me last time with this guy and filing reports like this isn't my speciality. Thanks! TropicAces (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC)TropicAces

@TropicAces: Didn't get the notification (luckily I have Tenebrae's talk on my watchlist). Anyways, I'll add them to the SPI. Do you use Twinkle Tropic? If you do, it is very easy for you to add suspected users you feel are socks of Joseph to the SPI archive. I can walk you through it if you'd like. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: haha that is lucky... and I haven't used it but if you want to start a convo on my talk page (as to not spam Tenebrae) that would be cool, thanks. TropicAces (talk) 19:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)tropicAces

@Favre1fan93: @TropicAces: My friends, you seem to have everything well in hand! If I can still be of help, lemme know. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Stop the Edit War on the Kathy Griffin article

Hello. You appear to have made some reverts lately on Kathy Griffin. Please be aware that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reverts on a single page within a 24 hour period. Rather than reverting edits, please consider using the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. The dispute resolution processes may also help. Excessive reverting may result in a loss of editing privileges. You can review your overzealous edits here: Revert #1 and Revert #2 and Revert #3SlackerDelphi (talk) 19:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@SlackerDelphi: 3RR does not apply to Biographies of Living Persons violations, and undue, imbalanced criticism falls under that. Please go to the talk page and discuss. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

And Revert #2 is a completely unrelated edit involving completely different content from the other two edits, so User:SlackerDelphi's claim of three is a falsehood, as anyone comparing the edits can see from themselves. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Great job as always, 'Brae! Yeahimadethis (talk) 02:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Jessica Chastain

I documented her early life, but this user keeps deleting it. What do you think ? :

• Talk:Jessica Chastain
• User:BullRangifer & "Jessica Chastain"
• User:Xb2u7Zjzc32 & "Jessica Chastain"

Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 00:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Xb2u7Zjzc32: I'm not sure what you're asking. Those links go to lists of edits to that article from 2013. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:33, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: It seems that this user wishes this page to remain representing their own POV, excluding what a publicist might be paid to suppress. Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 00:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Xb2u7Zjzc32: You actually don't need to ping me, since I'm notified whenever there's a new comment on my talk page. I'll take a look and see if that editor has been at that article more recently. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:58, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

OK, I've gone back over the last 1,500 edits, and User:BullRangifer's last one was in Sept. 2013. There have been so many edits and so many editors at that article since then, I'm not sure how much today's version has retained of 2013's. If you tell me something specific that you think a publicist might have suppressed, I'd be glad to take a look at it. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I will restore her family background to see what happens. Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 01:12, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Xb2u7Zjzc32: Not that you need my or anyone else's OK to edit any page whatsoever, but I might suggest for the sake of comity that you might discuss proposed personal-life edits on the article's talk page, if they've been contentious in the past. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Dorothy Malone

Hello Tenebrae,

Do you remember that Dorothy Malone birthdate on IMDB was January 30, 1925? I just checked and, I don't know if it's a long time it's there, but they say now January 29, 1924 just like I wrote a long time ago on Talk:Dorothy Malone. I know we can't take IMDB for source, but at least someone must have found something there on IMDB... --Danielvis08 (talk) 23:01, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Danielvis08: Hi, Daniel. This all turns out to be much more complicated than it first appeared. I'll meet you right now at Talk:Dorothy Malone. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:16, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

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		Thank you for being kind! I hope to see you here more often. Jooojay (talk) 08:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Copyediting fictional character summary.

I could use some copyediting help on Spider-Woman (Gwen Stacy) on the fictional character summary. It's being nominated as a GA. Jhenderson 22:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Charles J. Ross

Hello Tenebrae,

Just a little word to say that even The New York Times can be wrong. It says on Charles J. Ross that he was born Charles Joseph Kelly in Montreal on February 18, 1859. They are wrong about one day. I found his baptism certificate on FamilySearch and he was baptised February 20, 1859 and he was born the 19, here number 120 on the right page -> . Thanks. Geanealogist Danielvis08... --Danielvis08 (talk) 19:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Timely Comics

Look, The current Timely Comics brand has absolutely no affiliation with the Marvel Comics origin company. The former is just a label (it's not even a company) whilst the latter was a legal entity that became Atlas Comics. Please maintain both the info boxes to prevent confusion. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96: I never took away the new infobox, but just moved it further down to where the new imprint is being discussed. Also, the new timely is a publishing imprint and not a company. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I see, thanks for clarifying. I was concerned that you were vandalising the page for a moment. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:52, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96: Thank you for your collegial comment. I think if you looked at my editing history going back 12 years, you'd see I'm not a vandal! &nbcp; : )  --Tenebrae (talk) 16:54, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

After looking at your page, I came to realise that. Honestly thanks for coming to a consensus without having to resort to a heated debate. I have a question, should we rename Magazine Management as Marvel Comics Group? After all, the citation does state that Magazine Management was renamed, and it's technically a different legal entity from Marvel Comics? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96: There's been a lot of back-and-forth and much, much work on Magazine Management, Cadence and other Marvel-related company articles over the years. Magazine Management was around before Marvel, and Marvel was actually only a very small part of the company, so I think project editors would be pretty much of accord that Magazine Management should stay. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:09, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I see, that's understandable. So Marvel Comics (formerly Atlas Comics) was a subsidiary to Marvel Comics Group (formerly Magazine Management) who's parent company was Marvel Entertainment, correct? If that's the case, what happened to Marvel Comics (formerly Atlas Comics) over time? Did it get absorbed into Marvel Comics Group or was it dissolved as a legal entity? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 17:46, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's all cited at the Marvel Comics article. In a nutshell, Atlas Comics wasn't a company but a brand — those 1950s comics were put out by multiple shell companies from Azmiuth to Zenith, all owned by Martin Goodman, who also owned Magazine Management. Beginning in 1961, Goodman began using Marvel Comics as a brand, and gradually brought the comics under Magazine Management, rather than any of the various shell companies. At some point, I believe after the sale to Perfect/Cadence, the Marvel Comics Group division was formed, and from there evolved into the various entities since. I might have a detail or two wrong since I'm doing this off the top of my head, but it's all cited in the various articles.--Tenebrae (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. So was Magazine Management a shell corporation too, or was that registered as a legal entity? because I'm informed about Perfect/Cadence acquiring Magazine Management. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 20:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Magazine Management was an incorporated business entity. Atlas and early Marvel Comics were published through something like 28 shell companies, from Azimuth to Zenith. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I thought so, just wanted to make sure on that. Marvel's incorporated history is so complicated with all these shell corporations that Martin Goodman created. Why did he have so many shell corporations for Marvel intellectual properties? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

If I remember the various books on Marvel history correctly, having different shell corporations limited your legal liability. If some municipality decided to sue you for having an "obscene" crime comic, for instance, your exposure was limited to the particular shell corporation that published that comic. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Wow, that's an interesting thought to consider. Should that piece of information be placed in the Marvel Comics article (or his article)? the fact that Martin Goodman created these shell corporations to host Marvel intellectual properties in order to limit his legal liabilities? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

As long as it's properly footnoted. I'm sure you can find a supporting cite for that in one Marvel Comics history or other. Here's some raw info to start, from Atlas Comics (1950s): "The Atlas logo united a line put out by the same publisher, staff and freelancers through 59 shell companies, from Animirth Comics to Zenith Publications." --Tenebrae (talk) 21:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

1. "Marvel Indicia Publishers". Grand Comics Database.

Thanks for the basic. So what do you think of this sentence, "The Atlas logo united a line put out by the same publisher, staff and freelancers through 59 shell companies, from Animirth Comics to Zenith Publications.. Martin Goodman created these shell corporations in order to host Marvel intellectual properties with limited legal liabilities." Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 10:39, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96: I would take out the word Marvel, since Goodman did that with all his companies from the very start. The only other thing is that I would definitely find an authoritative book or article with which to cite that claim — shouldn't be hard to find — since without such a cite, we're only making a (very good, educated) guess at his reasoning. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:21, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I think you should do the honours of adding the line to the Martin Goodman article and the Marvel Comics article. After all, you're the one to have explained it all to me, and you're the one perfecting the sentence. And there's no question that you'd find far more appropriate citation than I would. What is your thought on that proposition? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 17:31, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Happy to. Might not get to it immediately, since I'd have to hunt through my library, but I promise I will. And, obviously, feel free to do it first! --Tenebrae (talk) 17:32, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm a patient individual, I can happily wait it out. Priorities your priorities, and once they're done and dusted, you can place the edit at your own leisure. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

ANI notice

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Spider-Man: Homecoming cast list

Hey! If you have a chance, and this is available to you, can you please post the credits for Spider-Man: Homecoming as given to press on the article's talk page, as you've done with previous MCU films? Thanks in advance. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2017 (UTC) @Favre1fan93: You got it. Doing it now. Wanted to earlier, but it's been a hellaciously busy couple of weeks for me. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

How is this troll not blocked yet?

Seriously?

I actually didn't notice 90% of this until just now. I can't believe no one even told her off for it; most editors who had been here as long as she had would be blocked on site if they pulled something like that.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I wasn't talking about the "verbal attack in an edit-summary", which I haven't read. I was talking about the content of the edit, which consist of adding the word "Drama" beneath all of my comments, and in one case in the middle of one of said comments. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 21:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Does it bother you...

...that she's now started blatantly violating TPO by renaming our sections after us and making our original headings into subheadings?

Personally, I find it more amusing than offensive (assuming causing offense was her intent), but it is still really weird that she hasn't been blocked yet when she thinks it being "her talk page" means she is allowed alter or recontextualize other people's comments.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:35, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Buffalo Bill, Jr. or Buffalo Bill Jr.

Since you participated at Talk:Steamboat Bill, Jr.#Requested move 15 December 2016, the discussion at Talk:Buffalo Bill Jr.#Requested move 13 July 2017 may be of interest. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:12 Monkeys#"doesn't need refs"

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:12 Monkeys#"doesn't need refs". Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:25, 23 July 2017 (UTC)Template:Z48

Even more sock puppetry

Hello, Tenebrae. Do you remember this vandal that disrupts WP:FILM articles? Well, they have gotten even more difficult to deal with. I just discovered two accounts, No20123 and No1092, that appear to be the exact same user (they make remarkably similar edits and edit similar articles). And, if this is any indication, they are probably tied to this sock puppeteer. DarkKnight2149 03:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

To be clear, I am referring to the prolific sock puppeteer that messed with film titles, added P.O.V. about "Standalone sequels", ETC. DarkKnight2149 15:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Incivility from Freshacconci

Hi. I seem to having some difficulty with Freshacconci. My discussion with him is here, though Freshacconci removed the last message, with the edit summary:

"'Please learn these policies if you wish to continue editing here'? Who are you? Fuck you."

If you could inform/remind him of WP:CIV, it would be appreciated. I tried alerting another admin who had had prior dealings with him, but he was not interested in doing anything about it. Nightscream (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Chris Columbus Jr.

I don't understand why you didn't move it Christopher Columbus, ȷr. if you wanted to follow the screen shot at Big Cartoon Database. Is it because you couldn't find the character dotless j? Or some other reason? Dicklyon (talk) 04:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Aside from the fact that the Big Catoon Database spells it Chris Columbus, Jr. and that Christopher Columbus, Jr. is a reissue name, there's also the onscreen title at five seconds in — right above its copyright. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Millarworld to be a standalone article

Hi there Tenebrae, I created a discussion in which I'm discussing the process of separating Millarworld as a seperate article (from the article Mark Millar) seeing as ] now owns the corporate entity and brand. Here's the link to the discussion, I've stated that if one more person agrees, then the split will occur. Please do take the opportunity to discuss whether you agree or disagree with this process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mark_Millar#Millarworld_to_be_a_standalone_article Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 21:26, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Katie Rich

With your edit, it's doesn't really make sense to have that sentence in the "Suspension" section any more, would you mind if I moved it to her "Career" section? Damiantgordon (talk) 13:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

@Damiantgordon: I'd have to disagree since it's the first thing that follows chronologically after the suspension. If it it were in the Career section it would be without context. It says that exact same thing as what was there before, without any speculation. --Tenebrae (talk) 13:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

O.K., thanks Damiantgordon (talk) 13:30, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Music of the Marvel Cinematic Universe to be merged into Marvel Music

Hi there Tenebrae, I'd love to have your voice involved in a very important decision. At Talk:Marvel Music, we're discussing as to whether we should merge Music of the Marvel Cinematic Universe into Marvel Music. There's two people for it, and two people against it, and somebody who is ambivalent. With your voice, you can make the final decision. I look forward to hearing your outcome int he discussion.

Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I'd love to have your input in the discussion, it'd help conclude the discussion. You're a smart and knowledgeable guy, your words are always welcome. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 21:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96: I appreciate the kind words. I don't think I've been to either article before, so I'm not sure I've have the most informed opinion, but I'm happy to take a look.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, your contribution was so valuable. Your neutral stance has provided the opportunity to highlight the fundamental problem with the structure of Marvel Music, Music of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the soundtrack sections of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies. Thank you, we're now going to do a discussion on Marvel Music merging into Marvel Studios, I'd love to hear whether you support or oppose that merge. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 10:44, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Please don't

You should definitely know better than to make edits like this one. Please don't. --John (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate Report in AN3

Hi there. I noticed you created a report very shortly after I did on AN3. I deleted it so we don't accidentally end up with two discussion threads. However, I couldn't come up with a good way to preserve your comment and keep it attributed to you. Could you re-add it to the report I filed with your signature?

There already is an ANI, started by an editor other than myself, regarding Hillbillyholiday's edit-warring and disruptive editing across numerous articles: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Mass deletions and edit warring across celebrity articles by Hillbillyholiday. In the case of this article, he is correct in that 3RR has an exception for BLP issues. However — and especially in his last couple reverts — he is edit-warring to remove completely RS-cited passages, with cites from two books and the History Channel. I'm sure he has his reasons — but since it doesn't involve BLP sourcing, those reasons don't matter since he is WP:OWN-ing and showing a pattern of combative behavior.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! AlexEng 22:28, 23 August 2017 (UTC) @AlexEng: Happy to try. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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styleguide question: birthdays

hi Tenebrae, i saw the changes you made to Tim Miller (director) and wanted to check in with you about the birthday citation. i was under the impression that birthdays were common knowledge and didn't need to be cited. most pages i've encountered don't have birthdays cited. see Ryan Reynolds and David Fincher for example. i understand wikipedia's policy is to not cite IMDb, but since you deleted the birthday information and demanded a citation to keep it up, i decided to try for that. i can't find any clear answer as to why most pages don't have citations for their birthdays. if you can't provide me with an answer, i'm uncertain why it is that the birthday can't stay in the article to match the style of other people like Tim Miller--other directors and entertainment workers. CanoeUnlined (talk) 02:50, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

1. "Marvel Indicia Publishers". Grand Comics Database.