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Andy Stephenson

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He is a non-notable journalist. No evidence of any substantial publications. Internet allegations and rumors of both fraud and foul-play are used to smear his reputation and memory. One of the reasons that notability requirements are in place is to give privacy to friends and family of the deceased.

Note to closing Admin This AfD was spammed here per a note from one of the spammers below. --Tbeatty 15:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC) Note to people coming from Democratic Underground -- Notability and Verifiability have very specific meanings in the context of Misplaced Pages, and this is especially important to understand when participating in an AfD. If you want to make a case for saving this article, please familiarize yourself with WP:BIO and WP:RS. New comments go at the bottom to keep the flow of the debate. Also, please make sure you sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). This records the exact account that made the post, as well as the time it was made. Taking the effort to do things the right way increases the chances that other editors will find your arguments compelling.--Rosicrucian 15:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator. --Tbeatty 04:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The only refs on that page that meet WP:RS are the two obituary links. --Aaron 04:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Morton devonshire 04:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Notability is debatable, but the article is used by the deceased's friends to push political POV, and spread a concocted fantasy of the circumstances of the man's death which blames "conservatives". I attempted to correct the factual inaccuracies some time back, and was never quite successful against anonymous reverters. See this diff of something I removed last night. This is an example of the mindset of the people who are exploiting this man's death. - Crockspot 04:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:BIO.--MONGO 05:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wow, a non-notable subject that suffers from factual issues. Em-jay-es 05:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Brimba 05:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep a google search turns up some nationally notable sources: several Seattle Weekly articles, as well as the subject of an HBO documentary . He's notable. However, someone needs to block the article from anon edits and remove all NPOV problems. It would appear that he is a controverial subject, but that is no reason for deletion. He has been noted in several national sources, and so is notable and verifiable. The article just needs a MAJOR clean-up and protection. --Jayron32 05:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• STRONG Keep - His life, career and death are all notable. NBGPWS 07:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Karag 07:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Only ever edit by this user, is to this article. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• STRONG Keep - This article needs a rewrite, not a deletion. His candidacy for Sec. of State in Washington and the fact that national news media reported on him is reason enough to keep the page, regardless of what you may think of him. ChildOfTheMoon83 07:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)*
• Delete Not notable. He's only notable in the minds of some extremist attempting to exploit his death. I happened across this myself while looking at an extremist web site and it seems they are looking to start a sockpuppet compaign to spam keeps Dman727 08:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• StrongKeep Andy's life was notable and his death(which some of those who are voting to delete may have helped cause by making false accusations of fraud which caused a medical fundraising account for Andy to be frozen, thus delaying a crucial surgical procedure)is a study in the extent to which some people will go to punish their political opponents. The push to delete is a push to hide a crime. Ken Burch 00:35, 16 October 2006.

Comment Only 1 edit other than to this page. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbird71 (talk • contribs)

Comment Only ever edit by this user, is to this article. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• StrongKeep Andy Stephenson's case was an online cause celebre of considerable note mainly because he was targetted and smeared by right wing extremists as he lay dying in hospital. To allow these same degenerates to now delete the memory of his death would be a tragedy. - alastair thomspon (co-editor http://scoop.co.nz) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.96.48 (talk • contribs)

Comment Only ever edit by this user, is to this article. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Conditional Keep: this article needs to be rewritten by a non-interested party and locked to prevent tampering. (Therin83 08:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC))
• StrongKeep Andy Stephenson was a huge help to prove election vote tampering by the Black boxes. (]) 2:14 PM, October 16, 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.204.188.208 (talk • contribs)

Comment Only ever edit by this user, is to this article. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, Aaron. Also, Crockspot's diff suggests article will be a vandal magnet. CWC(talk) 11:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Multiple verifiable sources per Jayron32. Page can be semi-protected if vandalism is a concern. Catchpole 11:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• emphatically, categorically, a STRONGKEEP This is a matter of preserving a historical record of a debate-- whether Andy will ultimately be proved correct or not is irrelevant to the argument. This isn't about whether Andy was right-- the thing is, eventually Andy became a story in his own right. That's why we have to preserve this. Period. (iandb1) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.2.39 (talk • contribs)
• Comment Delete comments have been removed here, here by User:Blackbird71 who's only contributions are to this article, reverted to correct state by User:Dman727. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per Jayron32. - Serpent-A 11:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete as per Crockspot. Too much conspiracy theory and POV to make this article salvageable, and no sign of that changing. I feel this is one article where with the best intentions of any editor, it will descend in to unproven allegations. Khukri 12:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and per Crockspot, these anon comments are quite annoying as well. Perhaps if its ever proven that "conservatives" ... killed him then I will change my vote. --NuclearZer0 12:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above, I might change my vote to keep but rewrite if notability can be established (how close was the secretary of state election, did he generate a lot of mainstream media coverage, etc) GabrielF 13:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Ck4829 14:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:BIO, and all the sockpuppet/SPA votes aren't helping. NawlinWiki 14:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, not seeing the notability. Keeping the article to "honor his memory and work" is not a valid reason to keep. The march of the meatpuppets on this article is shameful and Misplaced Pages does not put articles up to "honor" people, no matter how noble their causes.--Rosicrucian 14:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Andy's work, to have everyone the right to vote and to keep fraud from happening should be honored. Keep the page for his memory. --sakabatou19

Comment Only ever edit by this user, is to this article. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• STRONG KEEP Andy's work should be respected. This page is an honor to him. --Haruka3_2000

Comment Only ever edit by this user, is to this article. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep Andy made a strong contribution with his work and this is an attempt to further besmirch his reputation by those who disagree with his political POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.115.31.179 (talk • contribs)

Comment Only ever edit by this IP, is to this article. Khukri 11:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• STRONG KEEP - I don't understand why it needs to be deleted. It should remain up in honor and respect for his hard work. It's also a memorial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.16.234 (talk • contribs)
• STRONG KEEP--Mr. Stephenson's work played a large part in preserving democracy. I can't understand why anyone would want to delete, as Andy worked for all of us----His life revolved around making sure ALL our votes are counted.---Booli—The preceding unsigned comment was added by BOOLI (talk • contribs) 14:59, 16 October 2006. — Possible single purpose account: BOOLI (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic.

• Comment Probable single purpose account, only edits have been to this AfD.--Rosicrucian 15:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• STRONG KEEP - Absolutely notable. Is subject of a documentary film now in production by Michael Moore, Numerous press mentions while he was alive, radio and television interviews while he was alive including CNN and MSNBC. Was very active in the e-voting seminar circuit. And the circumstances of his death spawned three web sites, several press articles, and much radio discussion. The attempt to suppress this article is quite likely to be politically motivated, and is Stalinism at its finest. BenBurch 15:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Which documentary? Moore's IMDB page only lists three films in production right now, and none of them seem to mention Andy Stephenson. The "Hacking Democracy" HBO film does not seem to be associated with Michael Moore.--Rosicrucian 15:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Seems be newsworthy and blogworthy, but doesn't meet encyclopedic level of notability. Deli nk 15:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Especially per Jayron32, and why again was this nominated? That information took moments to find... · XP · 15:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)