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	Source www.religionnews.com '''does''' mention the pers. complex. On the other hand, sources are not clear if American Christians understand the PS as happening '''only''' inside America. That's why I added official declarations of Evangelica organizations referring to international persecution of Christians. But I will work more on that. If I may present user Τζερόνυμο to the english WP collegues, he has a big volume of anti-religious and pro-muslim work in the Greek WP. This particular article was firstly created by him in the Greek WP, and was deleted as original research. (I don't necessarily agree on that deletion). Obviously he is planning to translate this article to Greek again.--] (]) 09:00, 21 March 2018 (UTC)		Source www.religionnews.com '''does''' mention the pers. complex. On the other hand, sources are not clear if American Christians understand the PS as happening '''only''' inside America. That's why I added official declarations of Evangelica organizations referring to international persecution of Christians. But I will work more on that. If I may present user Τζερόνυμο to the english WP collegues, he has a big volume of anti-religious and pro-muslim work in the Greek WP. This particular article was firstly created by him in the Greek WP, and was deleted as original research. (I don't necessarily agree on that deletion). Obviously he is planning to translate this article to Greek again.--] (]) 09:00, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

			And a small prediction of mine: Soon we will have here one or more of Τζερονυμο's supporters, most probably user names starting with C, G or D.--] (]) 09:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Comment made on 28 February 2018

See Misplaced Pages:Help_desk#I_have_just_contributed_my_first_article!_How_can_I_get_it_reviewed? Legacypac (talk) 09:28, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

"...which is synonymous to persecutory delusion"

Dear Dimadick the pharse "The name derives from term "persecution complex", which is synonymous to persecutory delusion." is misleading. The term "Christian Persecution complex" has been coined and populirized by academics in the field of Humanities. It is not related with delusions (though Charles Dawkins might disagree as he suggests that religious beliefs are a form of delusion). There is no published paper that suggests that is a correlation between the CP complex and a medical disease or condition. More, there is no citation in the text. Therefor, I 'd recommend it should be removed. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 19:04, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Our article on persecution complex is located n persecutory delusion, and you have added no information on word coinage. Dimadick (talk) 19:06, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, you are right that I didn't add info on word coinage, so when info is missing, we don't jump into conclusions. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

"we don't jump into conclusions."

I don't jump into conclusions. I am familiar with what persecutory delusions are and how they are used by religions. Added a source as a background. Dimadick (talk) 09:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

The article is about certain christians. Not about cults.--Skylax30 (talk) 09:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear Dimadick, the persecutory delusion you are reffering to, concerns a minority within a neutral majority and how that delusion helps them maintain their passion for their cause. Christian persecution complex describes the feelings of the majority and the net result is suppressing others. Nevertheless, there sure is a connection bwtween these two distinct entities, but I wouldn't describe it as "backround" Τζερόνυμο (talk) 11:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

It is background to what "persecution complex" actually means, and its relevance to cult mentality. And no "Christian persecution complex" does not express a majority of the population, just a few oddballs in the United States. Christians are neither a persecuted, nor a marginalized group. Dimadick (talk) 11:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I never said that Christians are being persecuted in the West. They (christians) are saying that they are being persecuted. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 11:59, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Persecution of Christians in Middle East and other non Western Countries

Persecution of Christians in Middle East and other non Western Countries is not relevant to the topic. Chr. Persecution Complex refers to the notion in Western countries that Christianity is persecuted by their goverment when Christian priviledges are lifted (ie morning prayer at school). In M.East, Nigeria and elsewhere there is real persecution of Christians. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 18:27, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Where can we find this definition?--Skylax30 (talk) 20:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

It's not a definition, it's an explanation. The source you provided (TheGuardian) did not mention Christian Persecution Complex. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 07:23, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

"morning prayer at school" In the case of the United States, school prayer has not actually ended. Compulsory prayer has ended. "While students do continue to pray in public schools, even in organized groups such as "See You at the Pole", the lawsuit disallowed schools from including prayer as a compulsory activity required of every student. The success of O'Hair's lawsuit led to subsequent lawsuits by Mormon and Catholic families in Texas in 2000 to limit compulsory prayer at school-sponsored football games." Dimadick (talk) 20:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Talking about persecution of Christians in m. East is irrelevant to Christian Persecution Complex. Two articles which were cited, didn't even mention christian persecution complex. Trying to relate persecution in the middle east to justify the persecution compex in the west, is synthesis. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 07:29, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Source www.religionnews.com does mention the pers. complex. On the other hand, sources are not clear if American Christians understand the PS as happening only inside America. That's why I added official declarations of Evangelica organizations referring to international persecution of Christians. But I will work more on that. If I may present user Τζερόνυμο to the english WP collegues, he has a big volume of anti-religious and pro-muslim work in the Greek WP. This particular article was firstly created by him in the Greek WP, and was deleted as original research. (I don't necessarily agree on that deletion). Obviously he is planning to translate this article to Greek again.--Skylax30 (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

And a small prediction of mine: Soon we will have here one or more of Τζερονυμο's supporters, most probably user names starting with C, G or D.--Skylax30 (talk) 09:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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