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This article is full of propaganda, which is a standard in Wiki nowadays, but this is over the top: "According to reports of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights the pilot ejected safely but was shot and killed on the ground after firing on rebel soldiers with his pistol." The author probably wants to imply that the pilot's death was justified, because he shot at the terrorists first, right? Anybody who saw the videos from the terrorist themselves would know that they shot at him whilst he was still descending under the chute, so would you (whoever "owns" this article - probably some paid propaganda troll) mind rephrasing that nonsense to something more factual? Thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.0.26.143 (talk)

The cited CBC ref says: "A Syrian militant in the area told The Associated Press that the pilot was shot and killed when he resisted capture by opening fire from his pistol on the militants who tried to seize him alive." The SPIEGEL ref cited says in translation: "The pilot parachuted and shot dead after landing." So the current text reflects what the refs say. We can change what the entry says, but you need to provide a ref. - Ahunt (talk) 15:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Pilot was not killed by rebels, Pilot was fighting against rebels on the ground, but later blow himself up with grenade to avoid capture.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/05/russia-rains-retaliatory-strikes-rebel-held-idlib-jet-downed/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/05/russian-pilot-blows-himself-up-to-avoid-capture-from-jihadists/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:14BA:2BFB:D900:40AD:3AF1:2834:A3A7 (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay thanks for finding that, I will add it. - Ahunt (talk) 23:48, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Service Ceiling

Are we free yet to discuss why this article is using the "Practical Ceiling" value for "Service ceiling" in the Specifications? I was previously blocked for asking if editors were able to discuss this question before any changes were made. Some editors were opposed in this Talk Page to even discussing the issue, but it looks like the discussion by other editors has been removed. So the question appears to be ready for discussion again. Or is the issue still very sensitive? Santamoly (talk) 18:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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