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===15 December 2018===
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====Suspected sockpuppets====
* {{checkuser|1=Raymond3023}}
* {{checkuser|1=Rzvas}}
* {{checkuser|1=Qualitist}}
* {{checkuser|1=D4iNa4}}
* {{checkuser|1=Lorstaking}}
* {{checkuser|1=MBlaze Lightning}}
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''Note: I've been involved in discussions/disputes with some of these users relatively recently.''

I was initially going to post this as an SPI for one of these users, but considering the collusion I see between many of them as well as past reports, I'd like for someone with more powerful tools than my eyes to look at all these accounts together for evidence of sock and meatpuppetry.

What links these users is that they all tend to be jingoistic Indian editors who are keen on India–Pakistan articles. Within Indian articles, they tend to be right-wing, pro-Hindu, and anti-Islam in their stance. While Pakistani sockers and Indian sockers (in my limited experience) tend to keep an eye on each other and cancel out, it hasn't happened here possibly because this mob is a little more sophisticated than usual or are a meat farm. Capitals00 and D4iNa4 are both known sockmasters. , D4iNa4 used open proxies from around the world when he was socking. That needs to be taken into consideration as well when looking into this.

I should also note that suspicions of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry have been raised against a number of the other users many times in the past. Most of them tend to be talk page warriors who contribute little else to the project. They also have a tendency to nominate articles that go against their agenda up for deletion and instigate SPIs with some regularity. The latter, however, is understandable given the prolific socking by Pakistani editors as well. But it is a data point.

''Any timestamps listed below are very likely in IST.''

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=====Raymond3023 and Capitals00=====
Raymond3023 exhibits grammatical tics in his edits that, to me, were reminiscent of the kind of errors that I'd seen Capitals00 make in my limited interaction with him. These grammatical issues have been mentioned before in past SPIs here, but brushed off as being common to ESL Indians. I disagree. But there are better indicators that Raymond3023 is a sock of Capitals00.

* On February 6 2018, Capitals00 ''manually'' creates a ] using a mobile edit.
:: (Note that {{noping|Anmolbhat}} aka {{checkuser|1=My Lord}} participated in this afd on the same day as soon as a couple of keep votes came in. Capitals00 did not participate any further. My Lord also participated in the related ] also created by Capitals00 as well as many others.)
:: The afd is closed as delete on Feb 13.
* On May 5, Raymond3023 creates a delete ]. Just like Capitals, this delete nomination is created manually via a mobile. But if you look at the "View log" link in his , you will see that it links to the Prabhloch Singh log. This suggests that he used an AFD that "he" had created previously as a template for the new Afd.


* On April 30, 2018, Raymond3023 on the BLP noticeboard.
* {{u|JzG}} a couple of hours later.
* 14 minutes later, Capitals00 to JzG's reply rather than Raymond3023.

=====Qualitist and Raymond3023=====
All and sundry consider Qualitist to be suspicious. A "new" editor, his first edit was on 18th October yet he is intimately familiar with WP jargon, guidelines and policies. He initially tried (too hard) to masquerade as a non-Indian user, but soon reverted to type. His oeuvre now includes a deletion request for ] which is a typical edit for this mob. Anyhow,

* The ] began in late October. Raymond3023 became involved with it on October 26.
:: (Incidentally, Raymond's involvement with this article begins in December 2017 not long after My Lord.)
* A lot of the discussion centres around the honorific nature of the title "Sadhguru" (title of Jaggi Vasudev) and the uniqueness of ''Sadhguru'' vs. the more mainstream spelling of ''Sadguru''. I on Misplaced Pages amd elsewhere of subjects titled "Sadguru" and "Sadhguru" on October 26.
* Qualitist, in his 13th ever edit, edits on November 4 and removes the term ''Sadhguru''. The article has had around 60 edits in toto since its creation in 2007. It has not had any content changes in over 2 years when he edits it.
:: (Incidentally, on November 3, Capitals00 I listed in my edit. He was also involved in a revert on the Jaggi talk page and handed me a DS alert.)


* Raymond was also involved in a BLP discussion about the ] starting November 15. Outnumbered, Qualitist enters the fray to support his side. A few minutes after his edit, Raymond "concurs" with him. This is the typical tag-teaming that has led to multiple SPI reports against these guys. As with Raymond, Qualitist also suffers from grammar issues here.


* Similarly, Raymond and Qualitist tag-team DBigXray in the ] discussion.


=====Qualitist and Rzvas=====
I first encountered Rzvas at ] over a content dispute regarding the title of a section about well-publicised criticism of the monument. This occurred around Nov 10 and settled down for the next few days. By Nov 16, the same day that Qualitist began his participation over at Jaggi Vasudev, he waded into the Statue of Unity article by removing all criticism of the monument. Rzvas and Qualitist ] Anna Frodesiak in a manner typical of these guys.

=====Qualitist, Rzvas, Lorstaking, and Raymond3023=====

Rzvas had not, to my knowledge, involved himself with the Jaggi Vasudev RM. This changed when the RM came up for a ]. The move review was mooted by Qualitist himself on November 27. The Raymond3023 account had gone into a semi-dormant state at this point as had Capitals00, and Qualitist was a seemingly disinterested 3rd party who had not taken part in the RM. Other seemingly neutral parties were Rzvas and Lorstaking.

* Nov 27: MR opened by Qualitist opposing the move.
* : Opposing vote by Rzvas
* : I add an endorse vote
* : Rzvas hats my vote
* : Lorstaking adds his oppose vote
* : DBigXray (also an endorser), removes the hat.
* : Lorstaking re-adds hat.
* : DBigXray reverts Lorstaking.
* : Qualitist reverts DBigXray.
* : DbigXray adds a note about the tag-teaming.
* : Rzvas replies to DBigXray and accidentally deletes the entire discussion.
* , Qualitist reverts Rzvas' erroneous edit sans edit summary
* , Rzvas re-adds his reply correctly.

=====Lorstaking=====
# between Lorstaking and Capitals00 where Lorstaking edits Capitals00's DS alert, amends the signature, and then subsequently undoes his own edit. He makes no further changes.

=====D4iNa4, Capitals00, Rzvas, and Raymond3023=====
I have listed here because of 3 separate reports (27 November 2015, 13 December 2016, and 12 May 2017) about him being a sock of Capitals00 as well as Rzvas. According to the CU admin, Capitals00 and D4iNa4 were technically unlikely. The CU for Rzvas never took place as the filing was deemed retaliatory. The sock who created the SPI also , {{tq|Now he has admitted that his account must have shared IP address with Rzvas account. See }}. That link is, however, inaccessible to me. Perhaps someone with higher privileges can access it.

Nevertheless, I have added D4iNa4 here for three reasons:
# There's obviously a substantial overlap with the rest of this mob.
# {{u|Vanamonde93}} created an ] to look into Raymond3023 being a sock of D4ina4. This came back as being unlikely.
# As mentioned above, D4iNa4 is known to use proxies while editing. IMO, it will be worthwhile to keep this in mind while sifting through this muck especially if other users are also doing the same thing. I believe that this warrants another look.

=====Raymond3023, Capitals00, Lorstaking, and MBlaze Lightning=====
The ], the site of Capitals00/Raymond3023's misstep noted earlier is also interesting as an instance of meat-puppetry. I have no idea why these guys became interested in this article. Going by the lists that the afd was reported in, my guess would be that it might have had something to do with atheism and/or criticism of Hinduism. But that would really be a stretch and is not in keeping with the usual interests of any of these guys leave alone 4 of them. In any event,

# May 5: Raymond creates the Afd.
# May 6: There are suddenly 3 keep votes.
# May 6: Capitals00 weighs in with a delete vote
# May 9: By now there are 3 more keep votes and 3 more delete votes.
# May 10: Lorstaking adds a delete vote.
# May 11: MBlaze Lightning adds a delete vote.
# May 13: Article is deleted. Mission accomplished.

You can see this modus operandi in action in a number of discussions involving the editors listed here. I've chosen to highlight this as it is not India related and these editors should really have no business participating here at all leave alone together. To me, it looks very dodgy and suggestive of meat-puppetry.

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All in all, there's a lot of smoke here. I'm pretty sure there's a fire. —] (]) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 19:21, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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15 December 2018

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Suspected sockpuppets

Note: I've been involved in discussions/disputes with some of these users relatively recently.

I was initially going to post this as an SPI for one of these users, but considering the collusion I see between many of them as well as past reports, I'd like for someone with more powerful tools than my eyes to look at all these accounts together for evidence of sock and meatpuppetry.

What links these users is that they all tend to be jingoistic Indian editors who are keen on India–Pakistan articles. Within Indian articles, they tend to be right-wing, pro-Hindu, and anti-Islam in their stance. While Pakistani sockers and Indian sockers (in my limited experience) tend to keep an eye on each other and cancel out, it hasn't happened here possibly because this mob is a little more sophisticated than usual or are a meat farm. Capitals00 and D4iNa4 are both known sockmasters. According to DoRD, D4iNa4 used open proxies from around the world when he was socking. That needs to be taken into consideration as well when looking into this.

I should also note that suspicions of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry have been raised against a number of the other users many times in the past. Most of them tend to be talk page warriors who contribute little else to the project. They also have a tendency to nominate articles that go against their agenda up for deletion and instigate SPIs with some regularity. The latter, however, is understandable given the prolific socking by Pakistani editors as well. But it is a data point.

Any timestamps listed below are very likely in IST.

Raymond3023 and Capitals00

Raymond3023 exhibits grammatical tics in his edits that, to me, were reminiscent of the kind of errors that I'd seen Capitals00 make in my limited interaction with him. These grammatical issues have been mentioned before in past SPIs here, but brushed off as being common to ESL Indians. I disagree. But there are better indicators that Raymond3023 is a sock of Capitals00.

(Note that Anmolbhat aka My Lord (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) participated in this afd on the same day as soon as a couple of keep votes came in. Capitals00 did not participate any further. My Lord also participated in the related Middle Finger Protests afd also created by Capitals00 as well as many others.)
The afd is closed as delete on Feb 13.
  • On May 5, Raymond3023 creates a delete nomination for David G. McAfee. Just like Capitals, this delete nomination is created manually via a mobile. But if you look at the "View log" link in his edit, you will see that it links to the Prabhloch Singh log. This suggests that he used an AFD that "he" had created previously as a template for the new Afd.


Qualitist and Raymond3023

All and sundry consider Qualitist to be suspicious. A "new" editor, his first edit was on 18th October yet he is intimately familiar with WP jargon, guidelines and policies. He initially tried (too hard) to masquerade as a non-Indian user, but soon reverted to type. His oeuvre now includes a deletion request for Pakistan administered Kashmir which is a typical edit for this mob. Anyhow,

  • The Jaggi Vasudev RM began in late October. Raymond3023 became involved with it on October 26.
(Incidentally, Raymond's involvement with this article begins in December 2017 not long after My Lord.)
  • A lot of the discussion centres around the honorific nature of the title "Sadhguru" (title of Jaggi Vasudev) and the uniqueness of Sadhguru vs. the more mainstream spelling of Sadguru. I list other articles on Misplaced Pages amd elsewhere of subjects titled "Sadguru" and "Sadhguru" on October 26.
  • Qualitist, in his 13th ever edit, edits Brahmarishi Hussain Sha on November 4 and removes the term Sadhguru. The article has had around 60 edits in toto since its creation in 2007. It has not had any content changes in over 2 years when he edits it.
(Incidentally, on November 3, Capitals00 CSD'd one of the articles I listed in my edit. He was also involved in a revert on the Jaggi talk page and handed me a DS alert.)


  • Raymond was also involved in a BLP discussion about the death of Jaggi's wife starting November 15. Outnumbered, Qualitist enters the fray to support his side. A few minutes after his edit, Raymond "concurs" with him. This is the typical tag-teaming that has led to multiple SPI reports against these guys. As with Raymond, Qualitist also suffers from grammar issues here.


  • Similarly, Raymond and Qualitist tag-team DBigXray in the Adiyogi Statue discussion.


Qualitist and Rzvas

I first encountered Rzvas at Statue of Unity over a content dispute regarding the title of a section about well-publicised criticism of the monument. This occurred around Nov 10 and settled down for the next few days. By Nov 16, the same day that Qualitist began his participation over at Jaggi Vasudev, he waded into the Statue of Unity article by removing all criticism of the monument. Rzvas and Qualitist subsequently tag-team Anna Frodesiak in a manner typical of these guys.

Qualitist, Rzvas, Lorstaking, and Raymond3023

Rzvas had not, to my knowledge, involved himself with the Jaggi Vasudev RM. This changed when the RM came up for a move review. The move review was mooted by Qualitist himself on November 27. The Raymond3023 account had gone into a semi-dormant state at this point as had Capitals00, and Qualitist was a seemingly disinterested 3rd party who had not taken part in the RM. Other seemingly neutral parties were Rzvas and Lorstaking.

Lorstaking
  1. Odd incident between Lorstaking and Capitals00 where Lorstaking edits Capitals00's DS alert, amends the signature, and then subsequently undoes his own edit. He makes no further changes.
D4iNa4, Capitals00, Rzvas, and Raymond3023

I have listed here because of 3 separate reports (27 November 2015, 13 December 2016, and 12 May 2017) about him being a sock of Capitals00 as well as Rzvas. According to the CU admin, Capitals00 and D4iNa4 were technically unlikely. The CU for Rzvas never took place as the filing was deemed retaliatory. The sock who created the SPI also noted, Example text. That link is, however, inaccessible to me. Perhaps someone with higher privileges can access it.

Nevertheless, I have added D4iNa4 here for three reasons:

  1. There's obviously a substantial overlap with the rest of this mob.
  2. Vanamonde93 created an SPI to look into Raymond3023 being a sock of D4ina4. This came back as being unlikely.
  3. As mentioned above, D4iNa4 is known to use proxies while editing. IMO, it will be worthwhile to keep this in mind while sifting through this muck especially if other users are also doing the same thing. I believe that this warrants another look.
Raymond3023, Capitals00, Lorstaking, and MBlaze Lightning

The David G. McAfee Afd, the site of Capitals00/Raymond3023's misstep noted earlier is also interesting as an instance of meat-puppetry. I have no idea why these guys became interested in this article. Going by the lists that the afd was reported in, my guess would be that it might have had something to do with atheism and/or criticism of Hinduism. But that would really be a stretch and is not in keeping with the usual interests of any of these guys leave alone 4 of them. In any event,

  1. May 5: Raymond creates the Afd.
  2. May 6: There are suddenly 3 keep votes.
  3. May 6: Capitals00 weighs in with a delete vote
  4. May 9: By now there are 3 more keep votes and 3 more delete votes.
  5. May 10: Lorstaking adds a delete vote.
  6. May 11: MBlaze Lightning adds a delete vote.
  7. May 13: Article is deleted. Mission accomplished.

You can see this modus operandi in action in a number of discussions involving the editors listed here. I've chosen to highlight this as it is not India related and these editors should really have no business participating here at all leave alone together. To me, it looks very dodgy and suggestive of meat-puppetry.

All in all, there's a lot of smoke here. I'm pretty sure there's a fire. —Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 19:21, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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