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	::I've looked at two sentences, and two sources, and they do not meet the requirements. The first is too weak a source to support a claim that he's been criticized by the scientific community. The second says almost exactly the opposite of what the source said. I've therefore removed those claims.		::I've looked at two sentences, and two sources, and they do not meet the requirements. The first is too weak a source to support a claim that he's been criticized by the scientific community. The second says almost exactly the opposite of what the source said. I've therefore removed those claims.
	::I suspect, based upon this experience, that if someone like ] went through the ] section and removed everything that failed verification, then it would be a much shorter section. ] (]) 06:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)		::I suspect, based upon this experience, that if someone like ] went through the ] section and removed everything that failed verification, then it would be a much shorter section. ] (]) 06:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

			::: Health24 is South Africa's leading consumer health website, the writer of that article just summarized the opinion of scientists. I am not sure why this would be an unreliable source. A quote from the article says "Our medical community, health authorities and academics (even Noakes’ own colleagues at the University of Cape Town, who formally distanced themselves from his theories) are very concerned that the Banting Diet is simply not based on good science." , pinging users who have edited related articles to dieting and might be able to help with this {{re\|Alexbrn}} {{re\|QuackGuru}}, {{re\|Strikerforce}}, {{re\|Doc James}}, {{re\|Timpo}}, {{re\|EEng}} ] (]) 13:06, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

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Criticism by the medical community?

The comment "Noakes's ideas about a LCHF diet have been criticised by the medical community as unscientific” is vexatious, and its source is a rant on a South African consumer-level health news website. That rant, by Carine Visagie, draws largely on an article by David L. Katz, renowned for his self-promoting sock-puppet reviews of his own book.

Tim Noakes is an A1-rated scientist (according to the South African system), who has had the honesty to change his mind in the light of better scientific evidence. He has publicly apologised for the harm he did with his earlier dietary recommendations in "The Lore of Running”. ]

The Visagie piece was last updated on 23rd June 2015, almost two years before Prof. Noakes was cleared of misconduct, and three years almost to the day before he was vindicated by the court of appeal. The HPCSA hearings hinged almost entirely on the validity of Prof. Noakes’s scientific ideas, which were thoroughly vindicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarchie76 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Based on your editing history you are here on Misplaced Pages to peddle LCHF quackery. There is no reason to remove that source from the article. The medical community does not agree with Noakes' crazy dieting ideas. Skeptic from Britain (talk) 00:22, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I've looked at two sentences, and two sources, and they do not meet the requirements. The first is too weak a source to support a claim that he's been criticized by the scientific community. The second says almost exactly the opposite of what the source said. I've therefore removed those claims.

I suspect, based upon this experience, that if someone like User:QuackGuru went through the Tim Noakes#Controversy section and removed everything that failed verification, then it would be a much shorter section. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Health24 is South Africa's leading consumer health website, the writer of that article just summarized the opinion of scientists. I am not sure why this would be an unreliable source. A quote from the article says "Our medical community, health authorities and academics (even Noakes’ own colleagues at the University of Cape Town, who formally distanced themselves from his theories) are very concerned that the Banting Diet is simply not based on good science." , pinging users who have edited related articles to dieting and might be able to help with this @Alexbrn: @QuackGuru:, @Strikerforce:, @Doc James:, @Timpo:, @EEng: Skeptic from Britain (talk) 13:06, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

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