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Venom movie story - creator credits

Hi,

why do you think it is not necessary to mention that the Venom movie is based on two comic storylines written by David Michelinie who also created the character Venom? It's bad enough that the original creators of the marvel characters don't get a lot of recognition and financial compensation for coming up with these concepts in the first place, but to erase their contribution from a Wiki page that is full of details (of which roughly 50% could be deemed "unnecessary") is kind of heartless, don't you think? And for movie and comic book buffs this might as well be a very interesting and therefore necessary fact.

I have no relation to Mr Michelinie or Marvel Comics but I am a strong supporter of naming and crediting the original creators of the characters and stories of today's multibillion superhero franchises, everywhere where credit is due and possible.

So, I kindkly ask you to re-accept this contribution.

--Kon-el (talk) 11:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

It adds nothing to the knowledge of the film especially since the writer was not involved at all in the creation of the film. Readers on the film article just need to know the stories were the influence and can go to those article to learn more, such as their creative teams. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Top ten lists

WP:FILMCRITICLIST is about accolades (awards/nominations). There are lots of articles with Top ten lists sections. I mentioned WP:FILMCRITICLIST because it's the reason the content move to List of accolades received by Black Panther (film) has been reverted. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 22:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

By the way, assuming for a moment it's not just about awards and nominations, and given the amount of articles with Top ten lists sections, perhaps either the manual of style should be changed, or we can get to consensus to include the overview in the article about Black Panther? --77.173.90.33 (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Never mind (reason). --77.173.90.33 (talk) 23:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

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"everything was basically in my own words or quoted when I pulled exact phrases"

Do you seriously not understand that what you have been doing is inappropriate? If you keep doing this you will be blocked from editing. I'm not "targeting for no apparent reason regarding all of this" -- believe me, if I wanted to use copyright violation as an excuse to "get at" other users, you'd be way down the list (you're probably the member of the "MCU cabal" with whom I had the least beef until I noticed the plagiarism issue), and I would have been doing so a long time ago, since I realized how serious this copyright thing is some thirteen months ago. Anyway, please recognize that what you have been doing for the last seven years is unacceptable and promise to do everything in your power to clean up the mess you have created, or you will be blocked; there is simply no other way to deal with problems like this. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:25, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: I've very aware about copyright on Misplaced Pages, and I've very aware that I'm not a user who repeatedly committed copyright violations in articles (as CCI defines) that would necessitate a claim at WP:CCI. please recognize that what you have been doing for the last seven years is unacceptable Are you serious? Trying to frame all of my edits as being copyright violations is completely baseless and wrong. And pulling up one of my early edits to try and justify this as a rampant problem with me since I've started is completely out of context and frankly misinformed. In regards to the specific edit you're pointing out at Black Panther, you're trying to paint my actions like I've gone out of my way to blatantly do this, have not assumed good faith give my editing experience, and have jumped to the harshest conclusion. Yes, I'm sure some of my edits could be adjusted from what I initially create them as, I'm not denying that. But it is never with the malicious intent you are suggesting I'm doing. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:09, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I've very aware that I'm not a "user who repeatedly committed copyright violations in articles" (as CCI defines) that would necessitate a claim at WP:CCI I would call taking a source that says Billy Russo is still deep in recovery for the face-slicing beatdown delivered by Frank Castle in the season one premiere, still suffering from brain damage, memory issues, and self-pity. The makeup team was meticulous in placing scars on Billy's face where they realistically would be after the fight with Frank., and adding the text The makeup department worked meticulously to realistically place the scars on Billy Russo's face, who is still recovering from his injuries and is suffering from brain damage, memory issues, and self-pity. to our article, which you did eight days ago, a copyright violation as well as the text that was rev-delled from Black Panther article. Are you serious? Trying to frame all of my edits as being copyright violations is completely baseless and wrong. I haven't found a single instance of one of your edits in this search where you added a significant amount of original prose that wasn't (a) an expansion of a list of data taken from a source into full sentences, (b) consisting primarily of direct quotations marked as such, or (c) including some degree of uncomfortably close paraphrasing or plagiarism. Now, you have made a lot of other edits that couldn't possibly be plagiarized (minor formatting tweaks and the like, reverts, talk page comments, etc.), and nothing in what I wrote above implied that I was "framing" these in light of your plagiarized prose: the "what" in "what you have been doing for the last seven years" refers specifically to these plagiarized edits, which is why I didn't say "everything you have been doing for the last seven years". And pulling up one of my early edits to try and justify this as a rampant problem with me since I've started is completely out of context and frankly misinformed. This kind of misrepresentation really doesn't look good for you, Favre. I was clear that the reason I went back to that one early edit was solely to find out how far back this went, not to "justify" anything; what you did two days ago on the Black Panther article was enough to "justify" checking your contribs for other plagiarized content, but I very clearly did not do that; I removed the text you copy-pasted two days ago, had it rev-delled, then went through part of the Black Panther article in the hopes of sweeping it, because I love that film and want its Misplaced Pages article to be clean of plagiarism, and the Defenders article because it's currently at GAN, and the two worst instances of plagiarism both turned out after I marked them to have been added by you; it was only after that point that I looked through your contribs. Believe me, if I were in the game of fabricating copyvio cases to "get at" users I "don't like", there are at least three other editors of the MCU articles who would be above you on my "hit list" -- it was only after I found three separate instances of you plagiarizing text (and none by Adamstom or TriiipleThreat or Alex21) that I figured it must be a problem with you specifically. In regards to the specific edit you're pointing out at Black Panther, you're trying to paint my actions like I've gone out of my way to blatantly do this, have not assumed good faith give my editing experience, and have jumped to the harshest conclusion. I don't think I implied you "went out of your way" to violate copyright; I think you've just been lazy or ignorant of our copyright policy. I think your saying "I've very aware about copyright on Misplaced Pages" is a lie that you think makes you look better, but in reality if taken on its face would mean you have serious WP:CIR issues that need to be dealt with.

Seriously, take the hint here. I'm trying to help you, but you are digging yourself a hole that you're not going to be able to get out of. When you are caught having plagiarized text (repeatedly, over multiple years -- even not counting the South Park thing from 2012, the Defenders thing was three years ago, the Punisher thing was eight days ago, and the Black Panther thing was two days ago), you can either (a) apologize, and promise to do your utmost to do better in the future and to try to clean up all the plagiarized text you've added over the years, or (b) dig your heels in, deny, and get blocked to prevent further damage to the project. I'm begging you to do the former.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm back, sort of

Hi Favre, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Sorry I disappeared so suddenly while so much was going on, things got a bit hectic over here. I have just made my way through my month-long watchlist and intend to continue contributing where possible, but I fear that I will have limited time to do so for the next while. I am also tiring of the mistreatment that we receive from certain editors to the point that I would rather stay away than have to face it again. I can see that you are facing an extreme form of this at the moment, and just wanted to say that the copyright claims are absurd and if there is any way I can help out with that then please let me know. My next steps will be to try get through the open GA reviews we have, and continue to keep an eye on my watchlist where possible. Thank you for all of your continued hard work, adamstom97 (talk) 22:49, 8 January 2019 (UTC)