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			==Hi, again==
			Some people thinks that all American and National Leagues All-Stars should be deleted and merged into their parents. I would favour keeping both categories. I find categories useful for browsing related articles and exploring people with something in common. In any event, could you have a look at ]? Please think about this and let me know what you think. Thanks. ] 17:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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Chicago Brownss/Pittsburgh Stogies

Hey there, the above article was tagged for speedy deletion as an implausible typo, and I deleted it as such. However, in looking through the history there is still a lot of content that got deleted with it, and I was wondering where this content should belong--if it was copy and pasted from somewhere, if you need it in your userspace, etc. Please reply either here or on my talk page. Thanks.

For your reference, the article began: "Chicago Browns/Pittsburgh Stogies|Chicago/Pittsburgh was a baseball team in the Union Association of 1884. The Chicago Browns disbanded on August 25 and became the Pittsburgh Stogies, which disbanded on September 19. Together, they won 41 games and lost 50, finishing sixth in the twelve-team league." AmiDaniel (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images

Images like Image:Petersonnyy.jpg, please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use. feydey 23:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

"My rationale has already been approved by Angr (5-20-06) " - could You elaborate more. feydey 10:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

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Boston "Pilgrims"

Hello. I just thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edit on the Red Sox page because the team was never actually called the Pilgrims. See this article, which is linked to in the "Nicknames before Red Sox" section. - Pal 18:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Happy Father's Day

I noticed you were a father, so here is something other than a necktie. Happy Father's Day 2006. Template:Click-Inline ―Linux|erist 04:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I am glad you liked it. Template:Click-Inline―Linux|erist 19:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Baseball card images

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In general baseball cards do not fall under fair use because the copyright is still held by Topps, Fleer, Upper Deck, etc. Posting images of their cards would probably be considered to be in violation of their copyright. Older baseball card from the 1800's early part of the 20th century can sometimes be used as the images have fallen into the public domain because of their age.

I will start working on removing the incorrect copyright tags on the images and they will soon be deleted. ~~However, if you continue to upload baseball card images, you will be blocked.~~ Sorry, I read your response at User talk:No Guru, and I was way too harsh with you. I do think that policy is clear now at WP:FU#Counterexamples, point 6. I'm going to hold off and wait for a response from you. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your point, but it does look like (from the counterexamples link I give) that policy has cleared up. However, I'm going to look further into things and see if we can get an explicit statement, policy-wise. Now, all I did was put notices on the last three images you uploaded and I'll stop. If you want, you can revert it back to the fairuse tag or just let things go. I don't want it to seem like I'm singling you out, so if unless it's clear, I'll just let it go. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello BurmaShaver. Misplaced Pages policy, which is often quite conservative with respect to the law, only allows for the use of copyrighted works such as baseball cards, paintings, and magazine covers to be used as a part of critical commentary about that particular work or publication. The discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Fair use lead to the addition of the explicit counterexample for baseball cards, so that there would be no misunderstanding. That discussion ended three months ago. If you disagree with the outcome, and have an argument to make, then you should start a new topic, challenging the guideline at Misplaced Pages talk:Fair use.

And yes, you are correct, there are many images throughout the encyclopedia that violate our fair use policy, including some baseball cards. The problem is so large that the process of cleaning them all up is going to take a long time, and unfortunately, in the meantime, these images set a very bad example and inspire imitation. Preventing the influx of new violations, such as your cards, which are being used solely as portraits for the men in the photographs, is equally important to cleaning up the existing instances. There is no favoritism involved.

Like I said, I encourage you to take this conversation to a central location, such as WP:FU, but if you need to respond to me personally, please do so here, so that this conversation does not become spread to a fourth talk page. Regards. ×Meegs 12:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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As I asked before, if you need to respond to me personally, please do so here (on this page), so that this conversation does not become spread to yet another talk page. I encourage you to go straight to Misplaced Pages talk:Fair use, though, instead of continuing to argue with individual editors. Regards. ×Meegs 23:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I found more baseball card images that you added to some pages and tagged them for deletion nominations. ,, , Retropunk 03:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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Pat Powers

I'm not entirely certain, but I think Pat Powers (baseball) may be the same person as Patrick T. Powers. MisfitToys 21:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Your category additions to Aquilino Lopez

I was hoping you could respond to my comments at Talk:Aquilino Lopez#Categories. Thanks. BigNate37_(T) 00:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Major League

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Jeff Doyle (baseball)

The external links you added to Jeff Doyle (baseball) go to a different player. I think you forgot to change the name when copy/pasting. I've commented them out since I don't have time at the moment to go searching for the proper page, feel free to go back and change them though. VegaDark 02:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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Putting "passed away" in baseball bios

I just wanted to let you know that it's pretty informal and fairly non-npov to say that someone has "passed away" instead of "died" for someone's death. Saying someone "passed away" takes the formalness out of the encyclopedia entry and also creates a non-npov statement, in that it implies that someone has went to heaven, or that there is an afterlife. Just keep that in mind when you create articles on notable baseball players and I will assist in changing "passed away" to "died" on your articles to help the process. Just look at all the major biographies, and not one of them says that the subject had "passed away". 68.79.132.216 04:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Request for opinion

I'd prefer not to drag other people into this, but could you have a look at the discussion at Talk:Jake Daubert? I'd be most interested in additional opinions in the dispute between me and Tecmobowl as to the article content. MisfitToys 21:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Baseball entries

First off I'd like to thank you for your contributions to the pages of baseball players - it seems like you have worked hard on creating an number of new articles. However, I have an issue with the inclusion of some of your "trivia" on a number of players' pages. For instance, on Frank Lary's page, you wrote that he was the first strikeout victim of Cleveland Indians right-hander Russ Heman. {Cleveland Stadium -- April 20, 1961}. On Elton Chamberlain's page you wrote that He was the starting pitcher in the only game that his teammate Bob Mathews ever got into. {Athletic Park -- September 25, 1891}. Do you think this information is important enough to warrant inclusion on each of these player's entries? I removed both of the sentences because I feel that this trivia is too trivial. If either Russ Heman or Bob Mathews was a notable athlete (or notable at anything) I wouldn't have a problem with it. Please reply to let me know your opinions on this issue, however if you agree with my position I ask that you refrain from adding non-notable "trivia". Thanks, Mattingly23 01:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply on my talk page. To answer your question, I feel that the above examples detract from the quality of the articles. I'm not against trivia completely - however, I feel that it's better form to incorporate information directly into an article rather than having a specific 'trivia' section. I made a number of changes to Elton Chamberlain - notice how now there is no trivia section, but his nickname and the fact that he was ambidextrous are both included a little more gracefully. This is a matter of opinion, but I would recommend trying to incorporate any trivia without using a trivia section, although I understand that sometimes this can be difficult. - Mattingly23 04:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thoughts on Baseball Templates

I noticed you contribute to a number of pages regarding Baseball players. I have started a discussion that i thought you might want to comment on here // Tecmobowl 03:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, no worries. I've never edited a template, but i'm going to learn how for this project. I am more just looking for people to weigh in on what info they thing should be included and how it should be included. Keep up the good work and thank you for taking time to respond to me :-) // Tecmobowl 04:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

¡Hola!

It's good to see someone else working on filling in the baseball entries. Thanks, and keep up the good work!. MusiCitizen 21:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, again

Some people thinks that all American and National Leagues All-Stars should be deleted and merged into their parents. I would favour keeping both categories. I find categories useful for browsing related articles and exploring people with something in common. In any event, could you have a look at MLB All-Stars categories for deletion? Please think about this and let me know what you think. Thanks. MusiCitizen 17:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)